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Thread: Should Scotland Be Independent?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Steinbrugge View Post
    Quod erat demonstrandum
    I am well aware of the earlier elections, however you spoke that Labour would have never won an election without Scotland, their most recent three victories I presented as a proof that this blanket statement isn't true.

    That being said, further things will have to be established:

    1) Whilst New Labour made things worse, mass immigration and "Jew-friendly" reform of the economic system happened under Conservative rule. Please explain? Do you really think a further 13 years of Conservative rule would have made things any much better, or shall we say any less worse?

    2) Should not the problem of Scotland voting so strongly for Labour, and doing traditionally so, be tackled rather than saying: "To Hel with those lefties"?

    3) How is voting behaviour a valid reason why a nation should be independent or not?

    It would be rather like saying: "It's good that Austria remains independent from Germany, because the political landscape in Germany is so far to the left that it could not possibly do any good for Austria.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Sigurd View Post
    I am well aware of the earlier elections, however you spoke that Labour would have never won an election without Scotland, their most recent three victories I presented as a proof that this blanket statement isn't true.
    I think I made my reasoning behind my original comment abundantly clear in my previous post and do not feel inclined to labour (sic) the point any further


    Quote Originally Posted by Sigurd View Post
    1) Whilst New Labour made things worse, mass immigration and "Jew-friendly" reform of the economic system happened under Conservative rule. Please explain? Do you really think a further 13 years of Conservative rule would have made things any much better, or shall we say any less worse?
    No ..I think a right wing dictatorship is required..

    Quote Originally Posted by Sigurd View Post
    2) Should not the problem of Scotland voting so strongly for Labour, and doing traditionally so, be tackled rather than saying: "To Hel with those lefties"?
    No.. it would be more expedient to remove them from the process.
    Quote Originally Posted by Sigurd View Post
    3) How is voting behaviour a valid reason why a nation should be independent or not?
    It is valid as far as I am concerned when its presence in the union continually presents a leftwing bias.
    Quote Originally Posted by Sigurd View Post
    It would be rather like saying: "It's good that Austria remains independent from Germany, because the political landscape in Germany is so far to the left that it could not possibly do any good for Austria.
    Not at all..It is more along the lines of, as I have stated previously." it is better for England that Scotland have their independance as their presence in the union historically presents a leftwing bias..

    These are my views on the subject and I am unlikely to change them, no matter how long this thread drags on...Do I support Scots independance? once again..Yes

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    My opinion is anything of this nature should be put to the very people of Scotland in a Referendum.

    Only the Scots can decide what is best for Scotland.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Untersberger View Post
    My opinion is anything of this nature should be put to the very people of Scotland in a Referendum.

    Only the Scots can decide what is best for Scotland.

    The English people in this thread have only ever been talking about what's best for England.

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    To some degree Scotland already has parliamentary forms of independence that are seperate and distincted from the rest of England.

    A better question might be, independent in what manner?

    I also believe it's in Scotland's best interest to work with England because there is a symbiotic relationship between the two now more than ever.

    Whatever happens to one will effect the other.

    Rather than have a divide between the two I would like to see both nations working together. There is a old feudal rivalry between both Scots and English but I do not believe that in this era it must continue.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Hamar Fox View Post
    The English people in this thread have only ever been talking about what's best for England.
    The English people in this thread need to keep their noses out of Scotlands business....

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    Quote Originally Posted by Astrid Runa View Post
    The English people in this thread need to keep their noses out of Scotlands business....
    How is that relevant to what I said?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Hamar Fox View Post
    LOL, that would be the parliament that's given us three Scottish PM's in a row.
    Last i checked Cameron was an Englishman with distant Scottish roots. I bet if you were to ask him if he considered himself Scottish or English he'd say English. Besides, just because a UK PM is a Scot doesn't mean they will or want to do the best for Scotland.

    But whiners are whiners. Scots will still consider themselves 'oppressed' no matter how obviously things are tilted in their favour.
    If us Scots are such a burden to you wonderful English, why dont you support us wanting independance? Surely if we were such whiners as you accuse us of, you wouldn't want us to be a part of this fantastic union

    Quote Originally Posted by Caledonian View Post
    I also believe it's in Scotland's best interest to work with England because there is a symbiotic relationship between the two now more than ever.
    Yeah, how so?

    Rather than have a divide between the two I would like to see both nations working together. There is a old feudal rivalry between both Scots and English but I do not believe that in this era it must continue
    Just because we (most of us) want to be our own independant nation again, which may i add should be a given right, doesn't mean we want to cut contact or anything of the sorts with England. Nobody mentioned not wanting to mantain good relations with England or the rest of the UK.

    The fact of the matter is that this wonderful union has erased Scotland from the map and we want to be put back on. As an american who seems to identify with being Scottish, i'd think you'd support that

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    Quote Originally Posted by Olav View Post
    Last i checked Cameron was an Englishman with distant Scottish roots. I bet if you were to ask him if he considered himself Scottish or English he'd say English. Besides, just because a UK PM is a Scot doesn't mean they will or want to do the best for Scotland.
    Ethnically, he's neither. The Jew in him negates membership of any British ethnicity. However, he has a Scottish surname and was born in Scotland. That's not English.

    If us Scots are such a burden to you English, why dont you support us wanting independance? Surely if we were such whiners as you accuse us of, you wouldn't want us to be apart of this fantastic union
    I do want us to be apart of the union. That's why I don't want us to be a part of it.

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    All Nations of our folk should all be Independent, it is what truly makes us great when we can be ourselves once again!!!

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