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    As a Nationalist I am all for countries to be independent. Although I do wonder how independent any European country can be with the EU and for that matter any country at all while the U.N still exists.
    I grew up on a belief of honour, courage and the old world values. The world isn't about that anymore, preferring to die a slow death of fast food and cheap thrills.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Felixmoy View Post
    It is England that needs Scottland today, not the opposite.
    How so?

    Quote Originally Posted by Olav View Post
    We arent even close to being our own country. I'll just take 2 minutes to give you some quick examples: The UK Parliament has complete power over us.
    LOL, that would be the parliament that's given us three Scottish PM's in a row. The UK parliament is the Scottish parliament. But whiners are whiners. Scots will still consider themselves 'oppressed' no matter how obviously things are tilted in their favour.

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    Apparently if the Scottish votes had not been included in the English elections no labour government would have ever won an election..consequently we would not have had that turd blair or his crap successor intentionally fill our homeland with any old scum who wanted to come.... So let me answer the original question.. Should Scotland be independant? If it means that all Scots are permanently removed from positions of influence in my country...then yeah...you bet.. sooner the better !!!!

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    Pre 1707 England was an economic and military powerhouse whilst Scotland was completely bankrupt after the failed attempt to colonize Panama through the Darien Scheme. If it wasn't for the union and Mel Gibson Scotland would be about as famous as Kasakhstan (well before Borat)

    ... I wonder who has benefited more from the union?!

    FREEEEE-DOMMMMMM!

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    From my german and germanic point of view I would like to see the whole UK beeing dissolved and Scotland as well as England as separate states. The whole entity of the UK and its predecessors were an anti-germanic and anti-european entity that served mainly plutocratic interests. Furthermore do I think that a german and an english state wouldn't have had the conflicts that the British Empire and the German Empire actually had. This is also important for the future.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Steinbrugge View Post
    Apparently if the Scottish votes had not been included in the English elections no labour government would have ever won an election..consequently we would not have had that turd blair or his crap successor intentionally fill our homeland with any old scum who wanted to come.... So let me answer the original question.. Should Scotland be independant? If it means that all Scots are permanently removed from positions of influence in my country...then yeah...you bet.. sooner the better !!!!
    Your country?
    Heh. That made me giggle.

    Also, quit with the anti-Scottish crap. Don't forget that it's because of England that Scots don't speak Gaelic anymore.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Steinbrugge View Post
    Apparently if the Scottish votes had not been included in the English elections no labour government would have ever won an election
    In 1997, Labour won a landslide victory with 418 seats (out of a total possible 659). Scotland had 72 constituencies then, was thus not decisive - parliamentary majority was 179.

    In 2001, Labour won another landslide victory with 413 seats (of 659). Scotland still had 72 constituencies then, was thus not decisive - parliamentary majority was 167.

    In 2005, it was less clear cut. Labour won the election with 355 seats (out of 646). Scotland then already had 59 constituencies, and was thus not decisive - parliamentary majority was 63.

    Quod erat demonstrandum.

    Quote Originally Posted by Astrid Runa View Post
    Also, quit with the anti-Scottish crap. Don't forget that it's because of England that Scots don't speak Gaelic anymore.
    Actually, the Lowlands have been Scots-speaking for a much longer period, with Northumbrian settlement extending to the River Forth by the 7th century --- which isn't a much shorter period than Gaelic has been spoken in any part of Scotland - Gaelic would seem to not have appeared before the 5th century when Goidelic missionaries arrived from Ireland. There was a Celtic tongue spoken before, but it was more akin to the Brythonic branch which includes Welsh, Breton and Cornish.

    The Highland Clearances saw for a drop in Gaelic speakers, and made lineage less traceable, however at that stage - the mid 19th century - the weight between speakers of Germanic languages (Scots, English) was already even, or slightly above that of Celtic languages (Gaelic). The Highland Clearances weren't something that was exclusive to Scotland though, a similar phenomenon (albeit unforced) had been existing in England since the Tudor period.
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    -Auch ich verspüre Demut / Vor dem alten Geiste der Ahnen / Wird es mir vergönnt sein / Gen Walhalla aufzufahren?-

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    Quote Originally Posted by Astrid Runa View Post
    Your country?
    Heh. That made me giggle.

    Also, quit with the anti-Scottish crap. Don't forget that it's because of England that Scots don't speak Gaelic anymore.
    Yep thats right MY COUNTRY just because at the moment I happen to live in the Isle of man doesnt change anything..English born and bred.

    I am a nationalist. which means I no more want a Scot in parliament making decisions that effect me, than you want an Englishman doing likewise in yours.

    Difference is I dont have a chip on my shoulder about it .

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sigurd View Post
    In 1997, Labour won a landslide victory with 418 seats (out of a total possible 659). Scotland had 72 constituencies then, was thus not decisive - parliamentary majority was 179.

    In 2001, Labour won another landslide victory with 413 seats (of 659). Scotland still had 72 constituencies then, was thus not decisive - parliamentary majority was 167.

    In 2005, it was less clear cut. Labour won the election with 355 seats (out of 646). Scotland then already had 59 constituencies, and was thus not decisive - parliamentary majority was 63.

    Quod erat demonstrandum.
    The Labour Party returned to government with a 4-seat majority under Wilson in the 1964 election.

    They lost the 1970 election.

    The Labour Party was returned to power again under Wilson a few weeks after the February 1974 general election, forming a minority government.

    They lost all subsequent elections up until 1997 with the introduction of New labour

    Prior to the examples above the last time they would have been in power was 1950.

    Seeing as the 2 elections mentioned above (1964 and 1974) were, in one case a miniscule 4 seat majority and the other a minority government, it is not too far fetched to conclude that if the Scots vote or indeed the Welsh or N.Irish had not been included they would have conceivably lost these elections.
    This occurence would have led to a barren period in the political wasteland for labour of some 47 years.

    If this had indeed happened, I dont think it is stretching supposition too far to make the reasonable assumption that after 47 years the emergence of a "New Labour" would not necessarily have been much more succesful than any of the manifold and varied re inventions of the liberal/libdem/sdp incarnations, and, if this had proven to be the case, we would not have had Blair, Brown et al.

    Quod erat demonstrandum

    So once again do I support Scotland desire for self determination ?.. hell yeah and Wales and N.ireland too.

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    Scotland should defiitely NOT be 'independent'!

    Would Germans want Bavaria to be independent? NO!

    Scotland is Britain's Bavaria.

    'Scotland' is not an old entity and any feelings of 'anti-Englishness' have been artificially stirred up.

    REMEMBER THE JEWS OLD TACTIC: DIVIDE & CONQUER, BECAUSE UNITED THEY (US) ARE STRONGER.

    Racially (or rather, sub-racially), linguistically and culturally, only the North of Scotland (above the Glasgow-Edinburgh line) has even the most remote claim to any possibility of independence, as that area was not so greatly colonised by Romans, Angles & Saxons (South of Glasgow-Edinburgh was hugely settled by Saxons) and Jutes (They did settle in large numbers in the North East) and Normans. But then again, it WAS largely colonised by Irish (besides the original 'Scotti') and there are many examples of 'Black Irish' to be found in South West Scotland. But even the Vikings colonised almost the entire British Isle. The old region of Northumbria strecthed all the way up to Edinburgh. The old region of Strathclyde stretched all the way South into Cumbria (North England). But, to be honest, even from a racial point of view, there is no separation from the rest of Britain.

    The only reason the SNP wish to give Scotland 'independence' is to gift that part of Britain to the EU and no doubt due to misplaced feelings of bourgoise nationalism.

    If Britain falls to National Socialism (God willing it shall one day), the whole of Europa will fall in too. But that cannot be achieved without the Scottish region as an integral part of the Great British Isle.

    Like Prussia, Scotland provides the bravest and most honourable warriors, and like Bavaria, we have have a heightened cultural awareness that can be easily morphed into profound fury for defending the National and Social rights of our folk.

    But it doesn't matter anyway. With approx 20 million non-Aryans in Britain now, there is no way back for this island.

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