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Thread: Should Scotland Be Independent?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Onbaernan View Post
    I don't think I know enough to say if I think they should become independant, I doubt it will happen though when it comes to it.

    I wonder what the new UK flag would be though, a mix of Welsh and English flags? I've always hated look of the union jack. I've read one of the original english symbols was a white dragon, so you could have the english and welsh dragons entwining one another. I doubt anything that cool would happen, we'd probably get some bongo drums and an arabic looking symbol with a rainbow.
    Some people have said to replace the blue with green for Wales instead and take out the white cross. I'd hate it personally.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Northumbria View Post
    Some people have said to replace the blue with green for Wales instead and take out the white cross. I'd hate it personally.
    If we were to replace it, my vote would go for an English flag with a Welsh dragon in the upper left quadrant, and a red hand + star & crown (representing Ulster) in the upper right quadrant.

    At the very least we'll get a new flag and (hopefully) a new anthem out of it. Look for the positives in every situation hey.

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    Folks, last time I looked, this thread was entitled "Should Scotland Be Independent?"

    In all days and ages, and especially in this day and age, the question will be raised by Nationalists - who undoubtedly bear the best interests of their own nation in mind at all times - whether there should be a Union between related peoples or whether such a union should be dissolved. There is a plethora of arguments from both sides, and I can understand where this comes in, and I can understand where it's going to be a heated subject, especially when things have bottled up for a while.

    But let me see - we've seen the citing of the Daily Mail in this. The Daily Mail is a Jewish-owned newspaper which is currently very busy sowing hate for the Germans to create a new artificial rift there. It is undoubtedly going to do the same with England and Scotland about the independence issue. I personally believe that whichever route is taken, splitting or remaining together, the settlement should be amicable between what is ultimately two brother nations, in the interest of both nations and Germanics as a whole.

    We have two Germanic-at-large nations sharing one island with a lot of things at odds that need to be talked about. What I don't like to see though is them tearing each other apart in the way that we last saw when this forum was all-European in scope and when you'd have Serbs and Albanians, Finns and Russians or Croats and Italians steaming into each other.

    I happen to have spent over seven years on that island, and consider both the Scots and the English as close to my heart - and not once in those seven years, having sat at many a table where the issue was raised, have I seen an argument over the issue take off into sometimes laughable spheres like this, shifting blame and victim status back and forth. I is disappoint.
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    I think we’re all in agreement that Scotland should become independent. The English population is predominantly in support of the dissolution of the Union and a substantial minority of the Scottish population would agree with them. The only question left to ask is ‘Is Scottish Independence Currently Feasible’? We would like to think so, but thanks to in part to Fred Goodwin and his band of merry thieves (hopefully not so merry now he’s been stripped of his Knighthood) this dream of Anglo-Scottish freedom looks very nearly unachievable and it’s my personal belief that it’ll not happen within the foreseeable future.

    If Scotland were to become independent today, she would inherit £189 billion in toxic assets belonging to the Royal Bank of Scotland (which are currently being held by Her Majesty’s Treasury). I hope Scottish nationalists are burning effigies of Fred whilst I'm writing this. In addition to this Scotland’s share of the national debt is disproportionately large. For a country which represents just over 8% of the entire UK population, roughly 15% of the national debt belongs to them.

    I feel for the true Scottish nationalist. His or her dreams have been dashed by a few men in suits. Scotland will become independent, but only when she feels comfortable and the waters have mellowed. It’s only a matter of time, but what length of time?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Linden View Post
    In addition to this Scotland’s share of the national debt is disproportionately large. For a country which represents just over 8% of the entire UK population, roughly 15% of the national debt belongs to them.
    Interesting, but how has that been determined?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Neophyte View Post
    Interesting, but how has that been determined?
    At present the national debt of the United Kingdom is estimated to stand at £1015 billion. The Scottish national debt is currently estimated to stand at £148 billion (14.6% of the gross UK national debt). I’ve read forecasts that suggest the Scottish share of the UK national debt will increase to between 18%-19.5% by 2015, although I am aware that one must take such forecasts with a pinch of salt.

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    Anyone who believes in Scotlands inherent right to self government and sovereignty can't want to hold on to the six counties... That's pretty hypocritical and whoever thinks there is ever going to be a red hand on the new union jack obviously doesn't understand the situation

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    North of Hadrians wall

    As I have made some friends in the Scotland Independence movement, which consists of staying reasonably informed via YouTube videos. And as a supporter of Celtic Pride in general and its call for a separate evolutionary state. Then I must insist that everything N. or Hadrians wall be turned over to the tribes as it was in days of yore. And hopefully a primitive renaissance will take hold of the people as they rediscover their heritage free from external heavy handedness. Be it then Rome and now London. Power to the People.

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    Quote Originally Posted by franznpdx View Post
    I must insist that everything N. or Hadrians wall be turned over to the tribes as it was in days of yore.
    I would rather have the bloody wall ripped apart stone by stone than see the lands which lie to the north ceded to the Celts. These lands are Germanic, and have been for well over a thousand years.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Robbensvolk View Post
    Anyone who believes in Scotlands inherent right to self government and sovereignty can't want to hold on to the six counties... That's pretty hypocritical and whoever thinks there is ever going to be a red hand on the new union jack obviously doesn't understand the situation
    Ahhh... you do realise that the majority of Ulster's population wish to remain part of the United Kingdom, which is why they did so when the rest of Ireland was granted independence?

    By the way, the Union Jack is a nickname for the flag we have now. If we got a new flag it wouldn't be a Union Jack any longer.

    Quote Originally Posted by franznpdx View Post
    Then I must insist that everything N. or Hadrians wall be turned over to the tribes as it was in days of yore.
    Hadrian's wall is entirely in England and will never become part of Scotland even if the Scottish vote for independence.
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