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    Why Are the Irish Not Considered Germanic/Nordic?

    I find it strange that countries such as France and Finland are considered to be Germanic on this site, but Ireland is not. I'm not trying to bash this site or anything in this post, simply trying to have an intelligent debate/discussion about this subject.

    Let me begin with France which is under the "Western Germanic" section. The vast majority of French people speak a Romance language. France does have a minority of German speaking people, about 1,440,000 people (3.15% of population). But there are almost as many German speakers in France as there are Arab speakers. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/France Yes, the Franks did settle certain areas of France, but one cannot ignore the presence of Gallic and Latin influences as well. But still the whole country is considered Germanic.

    Finland is under the "Northern Germanic" section. People from Finland are primarily Finno-Ugric and speak Uralic languages. Finland is of course adjacent to Sweden, but there was not much contact between the two groups in the Viking Age except for in the Åland Islands. Is it their high perecentage of blonde and blue-eyed people? Well through deductive reasoning we can clearly see that blonde hair and blue eyes is not just a Germanic trait. So how is it that Finland can be Germanic?

    Now to start on Ireland.

    Irish people primarily speak a Germanic language:




    Vikings settled in Ireland and brought much trade and cultural exchange:


    Read at your own leisure:
    http://www.ncte.ie/viking/listt.htm
    http://www.rootsweb.com/~irlkik/ihm/ire900.htm

    Anglo-Normans invaded Ireland and influenced it greatly:

    http://www.wesleyjohnston.com/users/..._invasion.html

    What else can be said about Ireland other than that they have been more or less assimilated into Germanic ways? Modern Ireland has almost become a reflection of Britain through many centuries of British dominance and rule. Now many of you would probably say that Ireland is very "pure" of outside influence and so on, but you cannot ignore these Germanic groups and their contributions to what Ireland has become. Tell me what you think of this matter.

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    Re: Why isn't Ireland considered Germanic?

    There's a Finnish sub-forum in the Noth Germanic section because:
    Finland
    Dedicated to general historical, social, linguistical, political and cultural topics pertinent to Germanic influences upon Finns and in Finland.
    It isn't saying that Finns are Germanic, but that they have Germanic influence.
    Quote Originally Posted by Adalwulf
    Now many of you would probably say that Ireland is very "pure" of outside influence and so on, but you cannot ignore these Germanic groups and their contributions to what Ireland has become. Tell me what you think of this matter.
    Ireland has remained almost pure since prehistoric times. Some regions such as Connacht are almost R1b pure in 100%, what demonstrates the lack of admixture with foreign populations.

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    Re: Why isn't Ireland considered Germanic?

    Finland is from its culture 100% like Sweden or north-Germany and i mean 100% alike and if that is not germanic culture then i dont know what is.

    Also our nordid component is imho quite big and that is germanic race type.There is no country what would be 100% germanic from its race.

    Imho only our language differs from germanic.So we are 2/3 germanic.


    I think Irish are mainly germanic from its race just like england though its population is mainly celtic and iberic theres still strong viking composition.

    I mean that celts may have been also example nordids and dalo-falids ?

    Irish are beautiful,their accent is the best in english,they have great history and the land is magnificantly beautiful.

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    Re: Why isn't Ireland considered Germanic?

    Quote Originally Posted by Galaico
    It isn't saying that Finns are Germanic, but that they have Germanic influence.
    And the Irish don't?



    Quote Originally Posted by Galaico
    Ireland has remained almost pure since prehistoric times. Some regions such as Connacht are almost R1b pure in 100%, what demonstrates the lack of admixture with foreign populations.
    That's one region...

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    Re: Why isn't Ireland considered Germanic?

    Quote Originally Posted by Adalwulf
    And the Irish don't?

    That's one region...
    If you find enough irish to ask for a sub-forum, you might get one.

    Afterall speaking about meta-ethnicities you belong to them if your are accepted by them
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    Re: Why isn't Ireland considered Germanic?

    Quote Originally Posted by Adalwulf
    France does have a minority of German speaking people, about 1,440,000 people (3.15% of population). But there are almost as many German speakers in France as there are Arab speakers.
    No way. There are much more Arab speakers than German ones in France.
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    Re: Why isn't Ireland considered Germanic?

    What defines germanicity

    1.Culture - well,all know what is germanic culture.

    2.Race - nordid,dalo-falid

    3.Language - germanic language(german,swedish,holland...etc)

    4.Religion - Asatru

    What i think is the most purest from all of these is Holland,Sweden and Norway, if we dont count religion.All so called Germanic countries lacks someway in germanicity.




    Btw: Finnish ancient pagan religion was almost the same as asatru though im not expert in this field.

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    Re: Why isn't Ireland considered Germanic?

    Why not count religion?

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    Re: Why isn't Ireland considered Germanic?

    Quote Originally Posted by fms panzerfaust
    Why not count religion?
    If we not count Hollands,Swedens and Norways religion what is christianity.

    Christianity is not germanic imo.

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    Re: Why isn't Ireland considered Germanic?

    So what's the big deal, everyone wants to be Germanic? Shouldn't you be proud of your country's unique culture.

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