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    Re: Why isn't Ireland considered Germanic?

    If hellenized,slavicized and latinized Thracians are today Greeks,Bulgarians and Romanians just as germanicized Slavs are considered Germanics or slavicized Germans as Slavs, i really don't see how Irish,Scots or welsh are "Celts".

    Celts are an extincted (meaning assimilated) linguistic group so the answer to the original questions is that Ireland should be considered germanicized, thus Germanic.

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    Re: Why isn't Ireland considered Germanic?

    Quote Originally Posted by Mannerheim
    What defines germanicity

    1.Culture - well,all know what is germanic culture.

    2.Race - nordid,dalo-falid

    3.Language - germanic language(german,swedish,holland...etc)

    4.Religion - Asatru

    Than, nations like France and Ireland surely aren't Germanic. And perhaps Finland neither.

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    Re: Why isn't Ireland considered Germanic?

    Quote Originally Posted by Huzar
    Than, nations like France and Ireland surely aren't Germanic. And perhaps Finland neither.
    Yes, None of them are.
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    Re: Why isn't Ireland considered Germanic?

    Quote Originally Posted by Galaico
    Irish in general, and according to the Y Chromosome, to whom are more genetically close is to the Basques.
    I don't believe that theory. Sounds like a pretty half-assed theory to me. Even if you have genetic evidence, what does that prove? You know what it proves to me? It proves that the Celts of the British Isles just happen to carry more of the genes that Basques have than other Europeans. Because, aren't all European related somehow or another? Sounds like a theory designed to make the Iberians feel like they're Nordic or related to Nordics.

    I have to wonder if the people that make this claim have ever seen Irish people. I have never seen an Irish perosn who looks like a Basque.

    Basques:







    Irish:






    According to McCulloch, Ireland is 100% Nordish and Spain and Portugal are only 1% Nordish. http://www.racialcompact.com/nordishrace.html So, how is it that Irish are Basques?

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    Re: Why isn't Ireland considered Germanic?

    Quote Originally Posted by Adalwulf
    I don't believe that theory. Sounds like a pretty half-assed theory to me. Even if you have genetic evidence, what does that prove? You know what it proves to me? It proves that the Celts of the British Isles just happen to carry more of the genes that Basques have than other Europeans.
    It is not a theory, it is genetic evidence, Irishmen the same as Basques share at a level of +90% the Y Chromosome sub-haplogroup R1b "Atlantic Modal Type", what means that their paternal linage is the SAME!

    Quote Originally Posted by Adalwulf
    Sounds like a theory designed to make the Iberians feel like they're Nordic or related to Nordics.
    Who says that? that's the most absurd thing I ever heard, we Iberians, are the most Mediterranid country in the world and I'm very proud of that. And what's more, who says Irish are predominantly Nordid? IMO they are mostly (North-)Atlantid and Brünn.

    Quote Originally Posted by Adalwulf
    Basques:





    Only the first one is Basque. Wearing white clothes and a red shawl for San Fermines doesn't make you Basque.


    Quote Originally Posted by Adalwulf
    According to McCulloch, Ireland is 100% Nordish and Spain and Portugal are only 1% Nordish. http://www.racialcompact.com/nordishrace.html So, how is it that Irish are Basques?
    If McCulloch says so, then it must be true lol. And Nordish is a very broad term which includes unrelated sub-types.

    You want to see true Basques? take a look at some of the Basque members of the Spanish Parliament:




    Some of them are from PNV (Basque Nationalist right), others from Eusko Alkartasuna (Basque Nationalist Social-Democrat), others from PP (Spanish right) and others from PSOE (Spanish left), all of them have Basque surnames, and IMO they are quite different to your Mexican-Basques.

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    Re: Why isn't Ireland considered Germanic?

    According to McCulloch, Ireland is 100% Nordish and Spain and Portugal are only 1% Nordish. http://www.racialcompact.com/nordishrace.html So, how is it that Irish are Basques?
    This sites information is first of all obsolete,inaccurate and trash.These numbers only points direction somewhere and thats why info is very inaccurate.

    This McCulloch Einstein example have bundled Finland and the Baltic States to same package what is very incredible.So these 4 nations are exactly same racially...Bulls"""" say me.These nations does not share even border and theres a sea between these countries and still same racial composition...Incredible.

    I wonder why some people still believes over 100 year old crap.


    Couple of questions.


    Example : If man who is over 2 meter tall,have golden blond hair and blue eyes is ladogan from his race...Is he considered nordish ?

    Luxembourg = 80% Alpine....Bullsh"""

    Finland and the Baltic States = 50% East Baltic..Bu"""hit.I am 100% sure that Finland is definetely not 50% east-baltic.Definetely not.

    30% Neo-Danubian ? Wtf is neo-danubian ?




    It is clear that this guy make up these numbers advantageous to his favourite countries.And when nordic race is considered generally to be superior race,he selected biggest amount of this type to his fav countries.

    How should he have knew exact numbers of each countrys racial composition ?Finland was considered to be 100% mongol hundred years ago and next it is not but it is 50% east-baltic..What a trash.


    I am angry cause these numbers are very false and some people may not like east-baltics that much(like me).

    Over 50% Finlands population is nordic.Pure nordic or mixed to some extent to baltic but in this 50% the "nordicness" is ruling type.

    Where do i know this some may wonder.Well,first of all,i live in Finland and second of all i have travelled very much Finland,all the way up the whole country and these people who think that example Lappland is sami and mongoloid mix lives their very own world.

    I visited lappland some time ago and i saw tens and tens from little amount people what i saw,tall ,blond haired and pure halstatt individuals.

    There would be wondering to this einstein McCulloch how can there be so many halstatts or even be halstatts in finnish Lappland.

    Im so fu""""" pissed of these kind of stupid pseudo analysis.

    I second myself : These studies are trash.Finland is one of the most nordic countires in the world and thats a fact.

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    Re: Why isn't Ireland considered Germanic?

    Quote Originally Posted by Mannerheim
    This sites information is first of all obsolete,inaccurate and trash.These numbers only points direction somewhere and thats why info is very inaccurate.

    This McCulloch Einstein example have bundled Finland and the Baltic States to same package what is very incredible.So these 4 nations are exactly same racially...Bulls"""" say me.These nations does not share even border and theres a sea between these countries and still same racial composition...Incredible.

    I wonder why some people still believes over 100 year old crap.


    Couple of questions.


    Example : If man who is over 2 meter tall,have golden blond hair and blue eyes is ladogan from his race...Is he considered nordish ?

    Luxembourg = 80% Alpine....Bullsh"""

    Finland and the Baltic States = 50% East Baltic..Bu"""hit.I am 100% sure that Finland is definetely not 50% east-baltic.Definetely not.

    30% Neo-Danubian ? Wtf is neo-danubian ?




    It is clear that this guy make up these numbers advantageous to his favourite countries.And when nordic race is considered generally to be superior race,he selected biggest amount of this type to his fav countries.

    How should he have knew exact numbers of each countrys racial composition ?Finland was considered to be 100% mongol hundred years ago and next it is not but it is 50% east-baltic..What a trash.


    I am angry cause these numbers are very false and some people may not like east-baltics that much(like me).

    Over 50% Finlands population is nordic.Pure nordic or mixed to some extent to baltic but in this 50% the "nordicness" is ruling type.

    Where do i know this some may wonder.Well,first of all,i live in Finland and second of all i have travelled very much Finland,all the way up the whole country and these people who think that example Lappland is sami and mongoloid mix lives their very own world.

    I visited lappland some time ago and i saw tens and tens from little amount people what i saw,tall ,blond haired and pure halstatt individuals.

    There would be wondering to this einstein McCulloch how can there be so many halstatts or even be halstatts in finnish Lappland.

    Im so fu""""" pissed of these kind of stupid pseudo analysis.

    I second myself : These studies are trash.Finland is one of the most nordic countires in the world and thats a fact.
    If you were more objective in your arguments then they would be more credible, but you are quite reactionary and won't accept debate or opinion if it differs from your own idea of things. McCulloch is indeed no expert i agree, but even if the likes of Lundman and Coon said so, I imagine you'd still argue against it, simply because you don't like the idea of the "East Baltid".

    You must be rational about these scientific racial arguments, and bias must be kept to a minimum. Otherwise discussion degenerates into Childs talk.
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    Re: Why isn't Ireland considered Germanic?

    Quote Originally Posted by Thruthheim
    If you were more objective in your arguments then they would be more credible, but you are quite reactionary and won't accept debate or opinion if it differs from your own idea of things. McCulloch is indeed no expert i agree, but even if the likes of Lundman and Coon said so, I imagine you'd still argue against it, simply because you don't like the idea of the "East Baltid".

    You must be rational about these scientific racial arguments, and bias must be kept to a minimum. Otherwise discussion degenerates into Childs talk.
    I can honestly ascertain that i know Finlands racial composition MUCH better than trio Coon,McCulloch or Lundman who havent ever even been in Finland,have not studied anything concerning Finland or arent interested in Finland.I thenagain know all these cause im finnish and i have travelled much trough Finland.And for example the story that karelians would be darker and would be more like their own sub-type(what i have noticed here) is imho very very false.I have seen many karelian families who are pure halstatts.

    How can some foreigners know better Finlands racial composition than finnish(example me).

    I have also seen in Lappland so many halstatts that this pseudo-trio would be amazed.And all these lapplands halstatts cant be from south.

    I wouldnt dare to even guess any other countrys racial composition if i wouldnt be 150% sure about it cause it may hurt some feelings.

    This Luxembourgs assumed 80% alpinid composition is so absurd that it cant be real in any way.Like i said,im not going to start giving guessing this small countrys racial composition but even fool can understand that this is false.


    I admit that im so called reactionary at least when it comes to Finlands racial composition and i sure get angry when some foreigners(McCulloch,Coon) start giving the so called real results.McCulloch and Coon,these real finns.


    Of course there is east-baltids in Finland but i strongly believe that it is highly and i mean f"""""ing highly overrated.Too highly.

    And there is also big difference between east-baltid/baltid/west-baltid.

    I think baltids and west-baltids are the real beautiful baltids but this east-baltid is lappoid mix what looks like chinese.

    I have no idea where have this scientist trio got this number that 50% east-baltids.


    Though there may have been also big misunderstanding and this trio may have mingled baltids(west-baltids) to east-baltids cause example here,the east-baltic looks normal imho,no lappoid mix.


    http://earlson.skadi.net/race/rassen.htm



    I dont know how could i concretely prove this to you that Finland is mostly nordic.

    School pictures was quite good thing.

    I dont want to start any childish fights but converse constructively.


    Some people tend to classify certain nations or groups of people to some not so great racial type that they themselves would feel certain superiority.This is historical fact and this have been used against Finland justifying this countrys occupation.It was politics back then.

    What i mean is that much of these infos are obsolete that i wonder why people still trust so blindly to them even in 21th century.

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    Re: Why isn't Ireland considered Germanic?

    Back on topic, why Ireland should be considered as Germanic? Of course defining who is what is a slippery slope, Linguistically they are Germanic because today Ireland's original language is almost extinct and by language they are Germanic. But nevertheless the Irish are Celtic, and there's absolutely nothing wrong with being Celtic, on the contrary.

    I can't consider even so called "Finlandswedes" as Germanic because majority of them are merely descendants of Finns who changed their language from Finnish to Swedish during 18th century when there were an active attempt to kill Finnish language (the end of the era of Swedish empire stopped this process, and good so!), and only less than 20% of Swedish speakers in Finland have some actual Swedish roots.

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    Re: Why isn't Ireland considered Germanic?

    Quote Originally Posted by Lissu
    Back on topic, why Ireland should be considered as Germanic? Of course defining who is what is a slippery slope, Linguistically they are Germanic because today Ireland's original language is almost extinct and by language they are Germanic. But nevertheless the Irish are Celtic, and there's absolutely nothing wrong with being Celtic, on the contrary.

    I can't consider even so called "Finlandswedes" as Germanic because majority of them are merely descendants of Finns who changed their language from Finnish to Swedish during 18th century when there were an active attempt to kill Finnish language (the end of the era of Swedish empire stopped this process, and good so!), and only less than 20% of Swedish speakers in Finland have some actual Swedish roots.
    But if our idea of what Germanic is, is based on only what language we speak, I don't think its much of a unifying source.
    I think to be Germanic you certainly need to speak a Germanic language as your first language, but it doesn't end there, i think whats also relevant is ancestry, heritage and race. All of these intertwine and meet at some point, but defining it and all coming to an aggreement is the hardest step.
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