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Thread: Why Are the Irish Not Considered Germanic/Nordic?

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    Re: Why isn't Ireland considered Germanic?

    Quote Originally Posted by Adalwulf
    And the Irish don't?
    Germanicity was imposed over the Irish. Ask any Irish if they want to be considered Germanic.
    Quote Originally Posted by Adalwulf
    That's one region...
    Irish in general, and according to the Y Chromosome, to whom are more genetically close is to the Basques.

    Quote Originally Posted by Mannerheim
    Christianity is not germanic imo.
    Well, that's very relative. In origin it is obviously non-Germanic, but aswell Norse Pantheism in part is non-Germanic, for expample Valhalla has its origins in Celtic paganism. The same happens with most religions, for example the Greek War God, Hares, is not originally Greek but Thracian, Hera, Zeus' wife, is allegedly of Paleolithic origin, the Magna Mater.

    Germanics, such as the Franks and the Normans, started the Crusades in order to protect the Christian faith. Charlemagne was crowned by the Pope as Romanum gubernans Imperium, and started the Holy Roman-Germanic Empire aswell in order to protect the Christian faith.

    Austrians fought the Ottoman invaders to protect the Christian faith.

    Christianism is definitely non-European in origin, but it is in adoption. It is part of Europe's culture, and helped to unify our continent.

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    Sv: Re: Why isn't Ireland considered Germanic?

    Quote Originally Posted by Mannerheim
    Finland is from its culture 100% like Sweden or north-Germany and i mean 100% alike and if that is not germanic culture then i dont know what is.
    Sure, Sweden and Finland has a similar culture,but it´s definitely not 100%!

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    Re: Why isn't Ireland considered Germanic?

    While we're at it, why isn't Wales considered Germanic enough to warrant its own subforum?

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    Re: Sv: Re: Why isn't Ireland considered Germanic?

    Quote Originally Posted by Idun
    Sure, Sweden and Finland has a similar culture,but it´s definitely not 100%!
    Dear Idun - I would be more than happy if i would see your definition from culture.

    I dont mean different languages.

    Sweden and Finland are almost as wealthy.

    Both have welfare state

    Both have same kind of politics and policies.

    Both are in EU

    Both are not in Nato what is very important if we look at this culturally.

    In both countries there is relatively high suicide ratio cause of cold and dark climate.

    Both share samekind of climate

    Finnish and swedish army are practicly the same.

    Our history is tided together.We were once the same nation.

    And when i think fastly differences between finns and swedes.

    Sauna is one of the biggest differences.

    Finns also drink more though this have started to decrese.

    Of course racial composition is different though many people tend to exaggerate the difference.



    Of course,i would say that there is differnces.There is finnish nationalist in Finland who prefer only finnish language aka fennomans.

    And in Sweden there is svekomans who prefer only things what is swedish.




    I consider that we are at least very close to each other though maybe not 100%.I correct myself,70%



    So what's the big deal, everyone wants to be Germanic? Shouldn't you be proud of your country's unique culture.
    Germanics are superior to other imo.


    Well, that's very relative. In origin it is obviously non-Germanic, but aswell Norse Pantheism in part is non-Germanic, for expample Valhalla has its origins in Celtic paganism. The same happens with most religions, for example the Greek War God, Hares, is not originally Greek but Thracian, Hera, Zeus' wife, is allegedly of Paleolithic origin, the Magna Mater.

    Germanics, such as the Franks and the Normans, started the Crusades in order to protect the Christian faith. Charlemagne was crowned by the Pope as Romanum gubernans Imperium, and started the Holy Roman-Germanic Empire aswell in order to protect the Christian faith.

    Austrians fought the Ottoman invaders to protect the Christian faith.

    Christianism is definitely non-European in origin, but it is in adoption. It is part of Europe's culture, and helped to unify our continent.

    Thanks for the info

    This would be great subject to be its own thread.

    Asatrians and christians could debate on this matter.

    Unfortunately i have little to say on this matter cause im nothing.Im not asatrian,im not christian,im not atheist,im just ...well,i dont know yet

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    Re: Why isn't Ireland considered Germanic?

    I think Irish are mainly germanic from its race just like england though its population is mainly celtic and iberic theres still strong viking composition.

    I mean that celts may have been also example nordids and dalo-falids ?
    The Irish are mainly Atlantid and Cromagnid the way I understand it, not mainly Nordid, and certainly not mainly Germanic Nordid(Skandonordid, Troender, Anglo-Saxon). However there is certainly Viking blood in the major cities like Dublin and Limmerick, und thus some Skandnordids and Troenders are bound to be there. In Ulster there is certainly some Germanic blood from the English and "Ulster-Scots" (who are for all intents and purposes Anglo-Saxon)

    Although England is fully Germanic in culture, even it is not mostly Germanic by Race. It probably is majority Nordid, when the Keltic type is included. The Germanic Nordid types are common only in Eastern England, where Anglo-Saxon and Viking settlement was the heaviest. But I think they may have been wider-spread during the Medieval period.

    I read at some point, that among the Irish, the Keltic Nordid component was never very strong to begin with (although certanily more so than Germanic types). The Faelid type is not common in Ireland but the other Cromangnid types like the Paleo-Atlantid and Bruenn, of course, are.

    As far as culture goes, I only know that Ulster is culturally English, and thus Germanic, and that south-eastern Ireland has had strong English influence even longer.
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    Sv: Re: Sv: Re: Why isn't Ireland considered Germanic?

    Quote Originally Posted by Mannerheim
    Dear Idun - I would be more than happy if i would see your definition from culture.

    I dont mean different languages.
    When I was younger I spend much time in Finland,and the culture there is not like here in Sweden,not in my opinion.

    We have our culture,and you have yours,like all the countries has.

    But I like Finland, no doubt about that.

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    Re: Why isn't Ireland considered Germanic?

    Quote Originally Posted by Bulair
    So what's the big deal, everyone wants to be Germanic? Shouldn't you be proud of your country's unique culture.
    That's not the point Adalwulf is stressing. He's trying to pass the point that since the majority of Ireland's population speak a Germanic language it is influenced by that distinct culture. I'm a friend of his and I know he's proud of being Irish, but he's of the broader Germanic stock as well. So in saying that he isn't proud of the bulk of his heritage is ridiculous.

    Quote Originally Posted by Galaico
    There's a Finnish sub-forum in the Noth Germanic section because:

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    Dedicated to general historical, social, linguistical, political and cultural topics pertinent to Germanic influences upon Finns and in Finland
    Well as stated by Adalwulf, aren't Irish influenced by Germanic culture?

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    Re: Sv: Re: Sv: Re: Why isn't Ireland considered Germanic?

    Quote Originally Posted by Idun
    When I was younger I spend much time in Finland,and the culture there is not like here in Sweden,not in my opinion.

    We have our culture,and you have yours,like all the countries has.

    But I like Finland, no doubt about that.
    How did it differed ? Just curious.

    Its not the matter of life and death to me if finnish and swedish cultures would differ but its just my personal opinion when beeing in Sweden quite much that the cultures would be pretty much same type.


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    Ok Idun, all clear.

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    Re: Why isn't Ireland considered Germanic?

    I think France and Finland forums are in the wrong position though their description says they are not germanic but to comment about the germanic influence in that country/ race.
    I think France and Finland should not be in Western or Northern Germanics but maybe in Germanic Settlements, since those countries are not Germanic but have a lot of Germanic influence in culture or race.
    Or if not in Germanic Settlements, open a new forum called "Germanic Influenced Countries" or something like that. So then you could put France, Finland, Ireland, etc.

    I don't know very much about Scotland, but I heard they are Celtic and their blood is not Germanic but Celtic. I already read a genetic study that said Irish, Wales, Scotland and Cornwall were Celtic people that came from Gallaecia or somewhere. So I think it is weird to see Scotland as a Germanic Country too.

    I think the most important thing to be Germanic is the blood, only then it is the culture, language and others things.



    Quote Originally Posted by Mannerheim
    What i think is the most purest from all of these is Holland,Sweden and Norway, if we dont count religion.All so called Germanic countries lacks someway in germanicity.
    So and Germany isn't one of the most purest too? :s
    Sweden and Norway have a lot of Sami mix specially in the North of those countries while Germany has much less sami mix.

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    Re: Why isn't Ireland considered Germanic?

    Quote Originally Posted by Eberhardt
    Well as stated by Adalwulf, aren't Irish influenced by Germanic culture?
    Many countries are influenced at a higher or lower level by Germanic culture but that doesn't mean they are Germanic.

    So, what do you really want, Irish to be considered Germanic, or an Irish sub-forum?

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