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    Whilst I'm not advocating going out and shooting your local Jewish politician, I'm just wondering how many political assassinations such groups as Mossad have been involved in? You can probably start with JFK, and right now they're busy murdering as many Iranian nuclear scientists as they can.

    The only difference is that in this case it was an individual who is not sponsored by the state and who acted quite openly, as opposed to the covert manner in which organisations like Mossad operate.

    However, the fact he also killed and wounded several more innocent bystanders (including a 9-year old girl) is totally reprehensible and he shouldn't ever be let out of the place he's going to, whether it's a top-security prison or the nut house

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    Rhetoric and Slaughter

    As Marcus Tullius Cicero observed over two thousand years ago, "When it comes to teaching and praciticing the Art of Rhetoric, one must be careful too whom it is taught and how it is practised. For it can and will put swords and spears into the hands of Madmen"...

    A truism? Certainly, given the current events in Arizona and other events throughout History.

    On Jan. 10, 2011, 11:00 am EST, the President of the United States has requested a few moments of silence in memory of those slaughtered by a rhetorically motivated Madman in Arizona...

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    Seems he targeted her because she was jewish.

    Most of her stands seems to be in-line what most Arizonans think. Whether it was just rethorik or honest I don't know.

    Therefore one has to see his shooting as an anti-jewish-cabale action.

    He might not be able to elaborate exactly his thougths or his idea but the general direction seems to be clear: Anti-jewish-cabale or mafia.

    Whether the congresswoman was part of it is not clear, she might have been or not.

    Anyway, one would not stop the jewish mafia to kill a minor agent of them (if she was one).

    There are different ways to stop them, for sure to kill bystanders is a wrong way to do it.
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    The Tuscon Shootings: Imagining Things

    From hes Myspace and youtube channel he seems to be critical of some aspects of government insanity but as to what motivated him to do what he did is impossible to tell. As Yggdrasil points out in the article below the anti immigration explanation makes no sense at all as he apparently also killed John Roll. The antisemitism explanation makes no sense either, why would he then start shooting random people at the event. This guy was ex military who served in Afghanistan, right? If Im to speculate it seems likely to me some sort of mental disorder as a result of being in a combat zone, exposure to all kinds of chemicals because of that and heredity might be a possible explanation.

    Some articles on this topic that might be of interest.

    Article by Matt Parrott at TOO that gives the crazy theory as a possible explanation.

    Crazy people happen. It’s a statistical inevitability. If there is one thing that probably transcends racial, political, and economic factors, it’s craziness. For all the attempts by the mainstream media to frame White males, especially right-leaning White males, as having a monopoly on mania, it’s pretty much an equal opportunity affliction.
    http://www.theoccidentalobserver.net...gining-things/

    As does Yggdrasil at AltRight
    It is fairly obvious that this Loughner fellow has a mental illness. His attack has nothing to do with politics and everything to do with the fact that our laws make involuntary treatment for the mentally ill nearly impossible.

    It is important to emphasize that as a result of this attack, we have lost the very conservative Republican anti-immigration chief judge of the District of Arizona, John Roll, opening up the opportunity for Obama to replace him with a pro-immigration Hispanic. No politically motivated assassin in his (otherwise) right mind who is "connected" with AmRen would ever have done such a counter-productive thing.

    From a political perspective, Loughner's targeting was, in a word, insane.
    http://www.alternativeright.com/main...s-and-madness/

    Richard Spencer have written several posts on the topic.
    It is almost certain that James Loughner suffers from paranoid schizophrenia, a disorder that usually sets in during early adulthood. The media, and many normal Americans I've encountered, are eager to speculate wildly about how FOX News celebrities or intellectual heretics--or "hate speech" of some kind or another--induced a man to commit mass murder. They seem unwilling to accept the fact that some people have unalterable mental conditions that destroy their lives and others'.
    http://www.alternativeright.com/main...schizophrenia/

    Gabrielle Giffords--The Right Did It!: http://www.alternativeright.com/main...-right-did-it/

    Gabrielle Giffords--AmRen Did It!: http://www.alternativeright.com/main...-amren-did-it/

    Did Giffords Know Loughner?: http://www.alternativeright.com/main...know-loughner/
    Defamation-What is anti-Semitism today?http://forums.skadi.net/showthread.php?t=131762

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    ^ I should point out that he also failed a drug test.

    That coupled with his idiotic ideas probably lead to this. His actions- shooting a little girl- clearly tell us that he was insane there is no question about it. The definition of insane is causing unnecessary harm to others- he is a textbook example of this. I don't buy this post dramatic stress disorder nonsense. There is nobody to blame, no part of society to blame, no disease to blame- the only problem was himself. (I view insanity as a mental state not a permanent label of a person)

    Harming any government official is nothing but utter madness. It will not change anything and the only thing it does is harm innocent individual people and their families that are simply trying to make a difference for the better in society. If he didn't agree with someone he should have known that there are constructive ways to influence opinions in a democracy. Like writing a political blog, running for politics himself, talking to his local politicians himself.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ocko View Post
    Seems he targeted her because she was jewish.

    Most of her stands seems to be in-line what most Arizonans think. Whether it was just rethorik or honest I don't know.

    Therefore one has to see his shooting as an anti-jewish-cabale action.

    He might not be able to elaborate exactly his thougths or his idea but the general direction seems to be clear: Anti-jewish-cabale or mafia.

    Whether the congresswoman was part of it is not clear, she might have been or not.

    Anyway, one would not stop the jewish mafia to kill a minor agent of them (if she was one).

    There are different ways to stop them, for sure to kill bystanders is a wrong way to do it.

    He was Jewish, went to the same synagogue as the Congresswoman. Said she was a Fake..


    http://www.whitenewsnow.com/forums/u...t-america.html

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    The only specific target was Gabrielle Giffords, the others were shot randomly because they happened to be there & Loughner wanted to kill as many people as possible. That incudes Judge Roll who just happened to stop by just before the shooting started. As for why he targeted Giffords it could be just as simple an explanation as that she was his representative. In 1981 after John Hinckley shot Ronald Reagan (and wounded 3 others in the assassination attempt to impress Jodie Foster) it came to light that Hinckley had stalked President Carter but had never been able to get close enough to attempt to kill Carter. He only got his opportunity after Reagan took office.

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    Jews do targeted assasination all the time. They 'hunt' Palestinians with their Helicopters and rockets and also revert to killing by hand.

    americans assassinate on a daily basis during their 'wars'.

    If you call him insane you should call those guys insane too.

    I don't know what he did in Afghanistan but to be exposed to this insanity might as well be partly responsible for it.
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    Ocko, I think you're getting too far off topic.

    But since you want to compare let me say...

    I don't think you can compare the assassination of terrorist group leaders or the war against Al-Quidea in the same category as assassination of a young woman politician that only wanted to help do the best for society and a 9 year old little girl.

    Insanity is unnecessary violence, and in this instance this guy followed the definition of insanity.

    When Hammas says they are going to destroy Israel and starts firing 900 rockets a day across the boarder during Operation Oil Stain at innocent civilians- retaliating against that is reasonable and not an insane action. Self defense.

    When Al-Quidea bombed the Twin Towers invading Afghanistan is not an insane action. Self defense.

    And contrary to what most people think- when Saddam kicks out nuclear weapons inspectors, violates 12 UN treaties, and tries to give off to the world the idea that he is pursuing nuclear weapons- invading his country is not that insane of an action. No I don't agree with this war today knowing what I do now- but I certainly didn't think it was insane to do so. Self defense.

    I don't think it's that hard after looking at both sides to clearly see where insanity lies.

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    Although I have no problem with jews or minorities, as I have many friends who are both, I know that many people here do. Due to the fact that he seems to be anti-semetic, I'm afraid he'll be lumped in with all conservative, Germanic preservationist-types. He makes us all look bad.
    Please, for the sake of all of us and our cause, do not committ or even advocate violence against anybody. I, and I'm sure most people here, do not agree with him about his philosophy or his violent methods, and would be mortified if anybody associated him with us.
    And if we want good people to run for office, we should hope that even the bad ones are safe. Would you want to run for office if your opponent just got assasinated? I know I wouldn't. Who wants to be a politician in such an environment?
    Gifford doesn't even seem that bad to me. She supported Arizona's imegration law. I think he shot her because she wasn't liberal enough for him.

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