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    Atheist, Christian, Muslim , Judaist ...... Free will.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Segestan View Post
    Atheist, Christian, Muslim , Judaist ...... Free will.
    There is no free will...

    Quote Originally Posted by Ronan View Post
    Just what did come first? Was it a baby?
    If so then who raised that baby to eventually be a believer or a denier?
    Or did evolution simply plop out a fully functional adult?
    That would seem more logical since it would immediately need strength as well as advanced motor skills to adapt, protect itself, and survive.
    But...wouldn't that also be a case for intelligent design/creation?

    I understand when evolutionists say that humans evolved from previous human-like creatures, but my questions still hold the same for them, or any other humanoid as well.

    What came first? The baby, or the adult?
    The micro - organism came first which then evolved into other creatures which yet even still eventually evolved into us.
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    National socialized collectivism must prevail over radical individualism.

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    Quote Originally Posted by AlaricLachlan View Post
    There is no free will...



    The micro - organism came first which then evolved into other creatures which yet even still eventually evolved into us.


    Free will and social order are not the same. Science is a worldly art , on the materialized plain it does not matter which design came first.. they came into a designed order.

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    Quote Originally Posted by TruthSeeker View Post
    Why then do they debate over the net? Why all the trouble?
    It's probably because no one really knows what is going on... so they debate it. I do not think there is really atheists or theists... just agnostics.

    If I said there is, or is not, an entity who created the universe, that is a belief. I would have no evidence whatsoever either way, of such an entity.

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    Membership of religion/rejection of religion appeals to certain types of people in different contexts. The character type of the average Christian in a Christian-dominated society is likely to be quite different from the average Christian in a secular society. And likewise with atheists.

    This is the basis of a lot of cultural misunderstandings between American and European members. In secular societies (such as in Britain) Christians are on the fringe. Partly for this reason, they tend to be weirdos, mentally unstable, paranoid, obnoxious, judgemental, have a superiority complex and so on. This is almost always the case, especially with outspokenly religious types. By no means am I suggesting to be different from the norm makes someone a weirdo. All of us here can think outside the box. It's just that intelligent, mentally healthy free thinkers and less intelligent, mentally unhealthy 'free thinkers' tend to have different ways of thinking and are drawn to different types of worldview, the latter type often winding up with Christianity.

    No doubt some of those characteristics apply to American Christians too, but probably to a lesser degree, given that different cultural conditions mean different character types are drawn to certain belief systems. I won't go into all the reasons why, although I have theories.

    The same is probably true of atheists. Because US atheists are probably a minority, and therefore counter-cultural, they tend to lean more to the left. Atheism is much harder to be a purely philosophical stance for US nonbelievers because religion is shoved in their face much, much more than is the case for Western European nonbelievers. Therefore, US atheists tend to be a particular type of person, while W. E. atheists, like HH said, are diverse in character and thought. This is also probably the reason US atheists concentrate almost exclusively on Christianity, while European atheists dislike Islam at least as much.

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    I do not think there is really atheists or theists... just agnostics.
    Nice one, TechFin!

    Depending on how strictly you define the term "agnostic", I think there's a lot of truth in this

    And Hamar, that's an excellent post describing how local culture will have an influence on the characteristics of Christians and Atheists alike. I've also noticed this; for example (using Catholicism in this instance), I've always found British Catholics to be vastly different from French ones, who are in turn different to German ones. These are just my own observations.

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    Quote Originally Posted by TechFin View Post
    If I said there is, or is not, an entity who created the universe, that is a belief. I would have no evidence whatsoever either way, of such an entity.
    That it is a belief, is a belief.

    A relativist would say that religious belief is a matter of belief alone, but an absolutist would say that "belief" is only recognition of what is there for all to see.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Rev. Jupiter View Post
    That it is a belief, is a belief.

    A relativist would say that religious belief is a matter of belief alone, but an absolutist would say that "belief" is only recognition of what is there for all to see.
    No, it's a belief. Even if they were right, it would only be by chance, and would therefore still be a belief.

    People who haven't been initiated into a religious belief system at an early age don't feel the same internal bias towards it that its followers do. We can look at it objectively and see it has absolutely no more going for it that the infinite number of rival possibilities. The Christian god is the real god, the Islamic god is the real god, the Roman gods are the real gods, Chuck Norris is the real god (although I realise this last one has a little more evidence in its favour), are all on an equal footing with a trillion other things you could think up. And that's only assuming that the 'origin of things' is something that can be reduced to a level of simplicity the human mind can comprehend. In all probability, it can't.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Hamar Fox View Post
    No, it's a belief. Even if they were right, it would only be by chance, and would therefore still be a belief.
    And yet this somehow doesn't apply to your own point of view, right?

    Anyway, in the mind of a "believer", it's not belief. It's knowledge. This is what separates gnosticism from agnosticism.

    Quote Originally Posted by Hamar Fox View Post
    We can look at it objectively and see it has absolutely no more going for it that the infinite number of rival possibilities.
    Of course, we CAN'T actually say such a statement and remain objective.
    It is a philosophical outlook, not common reason, that leads one to believe that all possibilities are equally viable.

    Quote Originally Posted by Hamar Fox View Post
    And that's only assuming that the 'origin of things' is something that can be reduced to a level of simplicity the human mind can comprehend. In all probability, it can't.
    No, but the reverse is quite possible, and actually relatively simple.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Hamar Fox View Post
    People who haven't been initiated into a religious belief system at an early age don't feel the same internal bias towards it that its followers do.
    My parents are the kind of Catholic who never think to say a prayer and never set foot in a church but for weddings and funerals. I, through honest inquiry and speculation, have concluded that the kind of man I should be is a fanatic devotee of Christ with the metaphysical understanding of Plato. I have, ideologically, pretty much nothing in common with my parents or with anyone else around me. Try again.
    In the beginning was the Logos, and the Logos was with God, and the Logos was God.
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