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    Quote Originally Posted by velvet View Post
    Yes and no. It's "absolute loyalty". That he's an American (no qualifier) he had already "proven" to get into the army in the first place, and then the German does his job - unfortunately, whatever it might be.
    The obedient German stereotype does seem to have a bit of truth to it. A few years back I was at a German-American dinner event. Basically it was one of those things where you hang around, meet people for an hour or so after eating from a buffet, and then listen to a speaker. I was there because I wanted to talk with a girl who I thought was going to be there but she never showed so my friend & I just talked to a couple German businessmen for a while and listened to the guest speaker. He was an older German gentleman who spoke about his time as a dissident in East Germany. He & his co-dissidents operated hidden printing presses and spread anti-Communist literature in the 80s. When the Q & A section came around someone immediately asked him:

    What was the most difficult part of being a dissident in Germany?

    He said without any hesitation, 'Germans are not rebellious people.'

    The older dissident didn't think it was impossible to get Germans to rebel, just not easy.

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    Quote Originally Posted by J.Yaxley View Post
    He said without any hesitation, 'Germans are not rebellious people.'

    The older dissident didn't think it was impossible to get Germans to rebel, just not easy.
    Indeed, it takes tremendous efforts or probably unbearable conditions to move Germans.
    Real rebellions in our history you can basically count with one hand, and that is including the great defeat of the Roman army in 9 CE.

    Although it is often downplayed and "political" figures grab the fame for it, a real rebellion was also what happened in the GDR prior to the opening of the borders and the following reunification. There was no blood, no mass killings, no violence, no nothing one usually connects with rebellion, just people persistently demonstrating every monday for over two years, for one simple goal: travelling freedom.

    It is very rare that the Germans grab forks and torches to rebel against life conditions.

    Someone once compared the German as such to the horse Boxer from Animal Farm, who remains blind and passive to the negative changes around him, but dutiful to his job until the day that the pigs decide that he goes to the slaughterhouse. Unfortunately, this assessment isnt untrue, we can totally blend out the pressure and still try to do our thing, hoping to be left alone, trying not to bother anyone and for this reason shrink ourselves so that we dont stick out and get attention.

    And this isnt a new phenomenon. The northern German tribes had as their motto "lever doed en slav" (rather dead than slaves), and so they let themselves be slaughtered in this vein. Look at the Verden massacre, where Charlemagne slaughtered 4500 chieftains and even that did not trigger a rebellion. Granted, the low-scale war against the Saxons (in Germany; the territory they inhabited is still reflected in the names of the federal states Lower Saxony, Saxony, Saxony-Anhalt and Thuringia) continued for 300 years until they were really subdued, and the Frisians seriously kicked out the Franks from their land along with christianity and reinstated Pagan rule (ended somewhen in the 1400s only), but they got divided into West Frisia (Geldern, Netherlands, back then under Spanish rule) and East Frisia (now part of Lower Saxony), and since then, no more rebellion.

    It must be noted that the "revolutions" of 1848/1850 were merely an after-quake of the French Revolution that exported it's "values" throughout Europe. They didnt originate organically. This is btw where the black-gold-red flag comes from, and why the post-war Germany got this flag again and not the Kaiser Reich flag (red-white), although it would be more appropiate because before the Kaiser Reich there simply was no Germany.

    But back to the German spirit. If you manage to convince Germans of the rightousness of a cause and instill belief in it, the Germans will just as relentlessly fight for it. But it is extremely difficult to wake this spirit, as long as there is just a tiny corner left in which the spirit can hide from being bothered.

    Which you can too observe through our history. We are always late to whatever developments in the rest of the world, even if they directly affect us. And then it takes tremendous efforts to undo these effects. Because the preaching of "Wehret den Anfängen" ('mind the beginnings' or somesuch) never worked, and it never will work with Germans. And then you have to go against the effects with immense brutality and ruthlessness. If Germany manages to awake to the effects imposed on us through EU, mass migration and the UN migration pact, it will be a giant bloodshed, and be assured that no one taking part will waste a second with bad consciousness ever after. But, I'm not sure if enough will wake up "just in time" (that is: ten minutes after 12 on the figurative clock)...
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    Quote Originally Posted by J.Yaxley View Post
    I once interviewed a WWII vet for a historical project. The man had a Scandinavian surname and told me he was of Norse & German descent. Anyways, he and his friend started off talking about normal military topics and then switched to bragging about doing utterly humiliating and brutal things to Germans after WWII had ended (he was a military policeman). Including:

    >Forcing German women to perform sexual favors for food.
    >Beating German men and chasing them around for sport.

    What was disturbing was that this man was obviously convinced there was nothing wrong with this behavior and you could tell he enjoyed it. And he was also very upfront about being part-German.
    It goes to show that each race has its own Untermenschen. Did you give him a slap?

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    Quote Originally Posted by velvet View Post
    The "conglomerate tribe" Franks were made up of defected Frisians, Saxons and a handful other tribes, later and to this day the greatest enemy of Germany. Later, a huge chunk of Saxons and the entire tribe of "Angeln" conquered England, became the Anglo-Saxons and to this day (at least their govt) remain an enemy of Germany. There would be more examples of regrouped tribes, although not all of them became enemies of Germany.

    And this is what I meant, kin-loyalty never really existed among the German tribes, this is something we had to learn, and we only learned it when the consciousness of a common Germanness grew along with the Norddeutsche Bund and Deutsche Bund. This culminated in the Reich foundation 1871 which was strongly desired and welcomed by the people. Before that, starting somewhen around 1800, early traces of the Blut und Boden idea (not yet an ideology) can be seen, and the idea florished in the German Reich. It is only then that we really develop a sense of common Germanness, although the 'tribal' structures remain to this day. The Völkische Bewegung also finds its roots in the Kaiser Reich, also Heathen movements. NS united most of the ideas and formed a political ideology from them. But NS had only 6 years without war to lay foundations, and what was built has been destroyed by the Allies and is smeared to this day.

    It was not yet ingrained into a whole generation. Many believed in NS wholeheartedly, also beyond the war and the early years of occupation, but as always, we "assimilated" to the new situation, and so the fruits dried and died...
    Maybe English won't fit back around Germans and Germans not as English--our saga IS Beowulf after all, but what is the alternative when we see what's happened to the Dutch in times past as well as the Belgians now, being put under pressure and going it alone? Surely, it has not escaped notice that unity as sought by Germans is also a relatively uncommon novelty for Anglos, despite being tied to a unitary state just as there was indeed a Kingdom of Germany? The best conditions English folk could have, would depend on a Kingdom of England in which Lothian and Wales are both subsumed and assimilated within and Denmark as well as Normandy are in our orbit, but those circumstances don't exist and the 'British' substitution left a lot of Anglo-Saxon folk unimpressed enough to make the American Declaration of Independence, choosing republicanism out of pride in what was lost royally.

    Unfortunately, the main propaganda now, is Anglophobia and anti-monarchism, which was antithetical to those who had to endure the ignominy of Queen Elizabeth leaving no English heirs and our Ancient Enemies despoilt us as a cash cow. Queen Jane should have been the means by which to find next of kin for royal succession, not resorting to Cromwell and Washington, but that could only have happened if King Henry VIII's and King Edward VI's wills were respected, meaning there wouldn't have been any Civil Wars in England to decide in what capacity Scottish kings could or even should lord over us and refashion us as 'British' to fit their inferiority complex and hide unlawful abolition of Englishness under cover of 'unity' with French meatpuppets beyond Berwick. Too bad enough of us English were cajoled by the prospect of being the stronger party in the Union, to allow the Scots their way and this destroyed our realm, but they lost nothing in the meanwhile, since Scots were already Britons (especially the Pictish roots of Albany) unlike Anglo-Saxons who've always been seen as having cheated them of their Roman society.

    On the other hand, it's we who had to begin again in New England as Hengist and Horsa did when England replaced Angeln. It's us English who've been on the run, since the fantasy of the "Clearances" really holds no water in comparison, what with Scots too busy getting rich running the Empire to remain cattle- and sheep-rustling crofters. We went from winning with the Cornish and Welsh, to being toppled by the Scots, once 'Britishness' replaced Englishness. This is our world upside down, as if it's small-minded and 'racist' of us English to have a preference to not be manipulated and exploited for the Britons who claim it's we who are violating them. Yes, if Britishness is not a matter of smaller Wealas within bigger England (Wales, as with Ireland, has been slowly seceding from England since the Windsors took over), but of smaller Saxons within bigger Britain, there is incontrovertible proof that English have lost all ground, far beyond what was thought done in 1066--itself just a continuation of 1016. In the British POV, we deserve this fate, for having come over from Germany to begin with, as savage, barbarian colonisers 'unlike' their Roman gods on the earth.

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