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    Question Are Parts of Eastern France Germanic?

    Could any parts of eastern France including the people that inhabit it be properly called Germanic? [Specifically most portions of the north east and some parts of the south eastern portion of the nation.]

    I think it's very possible for some French to identify themselves as having Celtic-Germanic roots besides Latin-Romanic ones.

    In this way would some French be welcomed onto this forum as long as they could provide some family history?


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    Quote Originally Posted by Wikipedia
    A 1999 INSEE survey counted 548,000 adult speakers of Alsatian in France, making it the second most-spoken regional language in the country (after Occitan). Like all regional languages in France, however, the transmission of Alsatian is on the decline. While 39% of the adult population of Alsace speaks Alsatian, only one child in four speaks it, and only one child in ten uses it regularly.
    This map claims to be from 1950, and shows Alsace-Lorraine retaining Germanic language.



    If you go on google maps, many of the place names in Alsace-Lorraine are written in German (or Alsatian.)

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    In the Channel Islands, the Norman language has developed separately, but not in isolation, to form what are recognized as Jèrriais (in Jersey), Guernésiais or Guernsey French (in Guernsey) and Sercquiais (or Sarkese, in Sark). Jèrriais and Guernésiais are recognized as regional languages by the British and Irish governments within the framework of the British-Irish Council.

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    The Mosel-Frankish language distribution



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    I would only assume that for the most part, the north eastern areas of France still are predominantly Frankish.

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    I think in the matter of Alsace-Moselle there needs to be something done soon or it will lose its Germanic culture. I have been thinking of how to obtain the region without war and have come to only one way to do it. The region needs to be bought by Germany to aid the French in their massive debt. This can be repeated with the Western Rhineland (currently in Wallonia, Belgium), north Holstein (in Denmark), and South Tirol (Currently in Italy). I find purchasing the regions would be much better than going to war with the countries and repeating another European wide conflict.

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    Yes, I believe it could be the case. I have ancestors from North-Eastern France. My first traceable ancestor(With the same Germanic surname) also came from Metz where he was a well-paid builder specializing in fortifications. He later on moved to Berlin where he married and his son also departed from Berlin for South Africa. Most of my ancestors were from Bavaria and the Netherlands but I regard the ones from that area of France to be just as Germanic.

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    I don't understand why we don't have more French members here from that portion of the country. It seems like we have zero French members here.

    I think alot of us dismiss France out of hand needlessly alot sometimes but as others here mention the French and us have a great deal of many things in common.
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    Of course parts of eastern France are 'Germanic.'

    As all folk know, the Franks were one of the many 'Germanic' tribes of European people. They gave their name to France. The Frankish Empire or Frankenreich covered most of modern day France and Germany.

    Also note, the Norse/Normans of North Eastern France .......as well as the Bretons etc....

    The people of France are predominantly 'Germanic' !

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    Ok, here's one for you, I was watching a TV show about Charlemagne a while back and the actor playing him shouted something at another guy.

    I can't recall what it was he said but as I know a bit of German I could understand him as it sounded very German.

    Now we all know that the Franks were a Germanic people and of course originally spoke a Germanic language. I'm guessing that as they settled in what is now France and the people living there spoke a mixture of Gaulish and Latin that they then adopted many of those words and thus 'French' became a Latin or Romance language, (as opposed to the Germanic original).

    Now then, what if the Franks went into 'France' and said 'Nein! We're speaking Frankish (German) and that's that and you lot are going to learn to speak like us and that's final!'

    And now 1700 years or so, the 'Frankish' in 'Frankland' now speak a distinctive Germanic language similar to Dutch or German etc.

    How do you think this would've changed the shape of their place in European history?

    Do you think that something as simple as language would've changed how other nations viewed them and how they would interact with other 'Germanic' nations (England, Netherlands, Germany etc.)

    Maybe it's connected to my belief (and prejudice I admit) but I think that typically an Englishman would have more empathy with an American or Australian than they would a Frenchman or Italian. It's not a 'racial' thing, on the contrary but based on the belief that 'oh the Americans speak the same language as us so we can understand them more'... does that make sense?
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    Interesting stuff!

    I think a case could be made for Northern France being Germanic as well

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    Quote Originally Posted by Godwinson View Post
    Interesting stuff!

    I think a case could be made for Northern France being Germanic as well
    Yep, Normandy and West Flanders.

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    Quote Originally Posted by AlaricLachlan View Post
    I don't understand why we don't have more French members here from that portion of the country. It seems like we have zero French members here.

    I think alot of us dismiss France out of hand needlessly alot sometimes but as others here mention the French and us have a great deal of many things in common.
    It might be more of the different language families creating a mental barrier that prevents them to not identify with Germanics. As a result those in more heavily Germanic regions might not think of themselves as Germanic but Gallic, even though they are.

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