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    Asatru in Language

    In Afrikaans, it is common to use the words Donner and Bliksem as expletives, usually to express anger or violent intent. Surely it is a remnant of calling on Donnar/Thor and Blixen. When we make love, in Afrikaans we say we 'vry' which has its roots in Freya the sensual. The weekdays are named after Wotan, Donner, Freyr. For interest's sake, can anyone please add examples of how the Olden Gods are still present in your language?

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    In dutch we have the words:
    Woede: meaning rage or fury.
    Woeden: meaning to rage, to infuriate

    Both stem from Wodan (Odin).
    Actually in German these words are similar: Wut resp. wüten

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    In the Netherlands we use such things, like you said the days of the week.
    Tuesday- Dinsdag= Dingdag
    Wednesday-Woensdag= Wodansdag
    Thursday- Donderdag= Donarsdag
    Friday- Vrijdag=freya's dag
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    In dutch, vrij (which relates to VitkiValkyrie's vry) means free. This meaning is derived from the original meaning loved and can also be traced to Friia or Frigg. Same goes for the German equivalent Frei.

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    In english we have thursday (thors day) wednesday (wodanns day) and friday (freya/frigg day). Thunder from thunar/donner/donar.

    There is possibly more, those äre the best examples I know of off hand.
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    I'm finding it friggin' (an example for English) difficult to find examples of the top of my head as regards my own language. I've seen people link "Torheit" with Donar but obviously that isn't phonologically derivable in any way, shape or form. I'd say where I come from it's traditions (Perchtenlauf, Bergfeuer with Strohhansl'n, Walpurgis) that tend to stay much easier than old terms for anything much.
    -In kalte Schatten versunken... /Germaniens Volk erstarrt / Gefroren von Lügen / In denen die Welt verharrt-
    -Die alte Seele trauernd und verlassen / Verblassend in einer erklärbaren Welt / Schwebend in einem Dunst der Wehmut / Ein Schrei der nur unmerklich gellt-
    -Auch ich verspüre Demut / Vor dem alten Geiste der Ahnen / Wird es mir vergönnt sein / Gen Walhalla aufzufahren?-

    (Heimdalls Wacht, In kalte Schatten versunken, stanzas 4-6)

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sigurd View Post
    I'm finding it friggin' (an example for English) difficult to find examples of the top of my head as regards my own language. I've seen people link "Torheit" with Donar but obviously that isn't phonologically derivable in any way, shape or form. I'd say where I come from it's traditions (Perchtenlauf, Bergfeuer with Strohhansl'n, Walpurgis) that tend to stay much easier than old terms for anything much.
    Besides what Hrogar said about Wut/wüten, some of our days for example.

    Tuesday - Dienstag = Ziu's(Tyr's) day (less obvious in German apparently)
    Thursday - Donnerstag= Donar's(Thor's) day
    Friday - Freitag = Freya's day

    man/man(human being) - Mann/Mensch = Mannus (possibly Heimdall)

    Although it's hard to come up with other examples without looking it up.

    I was just wondering if 'lügen'(to lie/deceive) might be derived from some form of 'Loki'? But then again, Loki wasn't attested from such early times as far as I know. Just an odd theory of mine.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Juthunge View Post
    I was just wondering if 'lügen'(to lie/deceive) might be derived from some form of 'Loki'? But then again, Loki wasn't attested from such early times as far as I know. Just an odd theory of mine.
    If so, I'd say it's the other way around. First the concept, then the term for a certain mythological figure; the same way numerous gods have up to 50 other names by which they are known: Such as Holda (in the Edda as Hlodyn)/Perchta = Frigg.
    -In kalte Schatten versunken... /Germaniens Volk erstarrt / Gefroren von Lügen / In denen die Welt verharrt-
    -Die alte Seele trauernd und verlassen / Verblassend in einer erklärbaren Welt / Schwebend in einem Dunst der Wehmut / Ein Schrei der nur unmerklich gellt-
    -Auch ich verspüre Demut / Vor dem alten Geiste der Ahnen / Wird es mir vergönnt sein / Gen Walhalla aufzufahren?-

    (Heimdalls Wacht, In kalte Schatten versunken, stanzas 4-6)

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    Quote Originally Posted by Donar eick View Post
    In the Netherlands we use such things, like you said the days of the week.
    Tuesday- Dinsdag= Dingdag
    Wednesday-Woensdag= Wodansdag
    Thursday- Donderdag= Donarsdag
    Friday- Vrijdag=freya's dag
    Here it's the same, with the norse gods.
    Mandag - Moon day
    Tirsdag = Tyr's day
    Onsdag = Odins day
    Torsdag = Tor's day
    Fredag = Frigg's day (It is not likely that the days name stems from Frřya)
    Lřrdag = Washing day
    Sřndag = Sun day

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    Quote Originally Posted by Juthunge View Post
    Tuesday - Dienstag = Ziu's(Tyr's) day (less obvious in German apparently)
    I thought you as an Alemannic man would have been familiar with your kindred's name - the Vorarlbergians call Tuesday "Ziischtig". The "Dienstag" appears to have been derived either directly from the name "Mars" Thingsus as we find him in Tacitus' writings --- or simply from the fact that Tyr was presumed to be the God of the Thing.

    Also, until the late medieval, it was common to call Wednesday as Wuotanestac in German --- quite obviously the church will have fussed with such an obviously Heathen name and have changed it to Mittwoch; something they also tried with some other weekdays, for which reason some regions know Thursday as "Pfinztag" ("fifth day"), much as they managed with the (relatively late converted) Baltics, FYI.

    What struck me as curious though was that of all Germanic countries, it was the Icelanders who did more or less entirely away with the old weekday naming tradition. It used to be Mánadagur, Týsdagur, Óđinsdagur, Ţórsdagur, Frjádagur, Ţvottdagur/Laugardagur, Sunnudagur but over time became Mánudagur, Ţriđjudagur, Miđvikudagur, Fimmtudagur, Föstudagur, Laugardagur, Sunnudagur.

    Old Icelandic tradition is still the best "current" cognate though we have to show that Friday is derived from Frigg, not Freya --- as obviously in English frīgedćg > Friday (g-palatalisation, see dćges eage > daisy ["day's eye"]); and the concurrent (but in English unlike German not orthographically noted) ī-diphthongisation (cf. German Frīatac > Freitag)
    -In kalte Schatten versunken... /Germaniens Volk erstarrt / Gefroren von Lügen / In denen die Welt verharrt-
    -Die alte Seele trauernd und verlassen / Verblassend in einer erklärbaren Welt / Schwebend in einem Dunst der Wehmut / Ein Schrei der nur unmerklich gellt-
    -Auch ich verspüre Demut / Vor dem alten Geiste der Ahnen / Wird es mir vergönnt sein / Gen Walhalla aufzufahren?-

    (Heimdalls Wacht, In kalte Schatten versunken, stanzas 4-6)

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