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    Quote Originally Posted by Soten View Post
    ^ I also find it funny that you're a Catholic, seeing as how the Huguenots were fleeing France to get away from Catholics.

    It's not unusual though. I just find it funny. The majority of my recentish ancestors would have been Protestant of one sect or another and I was also raised Catholic...only because of a couple Catholic great-grandmothers.
    I was raised Catholic, not by choice, but it is what it is. Alot of germanics seem to have a problem with Catholics. But those of german descent that take pride in the third reich should change their tune. I think, (correct me if I am wrong) the catholics setup 'Odessa,' it was an operation to help nazis escape germany after the fall in ww2.

    Quote Originally Posted by Hammer of Thor View Post
    That's what I was stating when I wrote:

    To be honest I have never heard of the term Huguenot refering to a Germanic tribe.

    I believe the term Huguenot refers to French Protestants (French Calvinist) during the 16th and 17th centuries. However, due to religious persecution many French Huguenots (roughly 40,000 out of 200,000 total) sought refuge in Germany and Scandinavia.


    However, his ancestors could have been Huguenots that integrated into German society after fleeing there. I'm sure that not all of the Huguenots in Germany went back to France. That or you are correct in stating that his "researcher" is lying.

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    the researcher might be lying. He is an american businessman after all.
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    Quote Originally Posted by HuguenotWehrwolf View Post
    Some of that info matches up, not all.

    Also, I merely asked a question, your attitude is not necessary. So in terms of your attitude, quit the sh!t.
    It's simply astonishing that anyone would think that the Huguenots were a Germanic tribe. That's all.

    If you were French and Protestant in the 16th or 17th centuries, you were a Huguenot. I have Huguenot ancestors from Normandy and Huguenot ancestors from around Bordeaux. The term "Huguenot" doesn't even appear until the late 1500's, well after any "tribes" were still in existence.

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    Quote Originally Posted by HuguenotWehrwolf View Post
    the researcher might be lying. He is an american businessman after all.
    That is quite possible. Try to get some additional information. The researcher may have meant that your Huguenot ancestors fled to Germany, remained in Germany for some time, and eventually left for America.

    It could be a misunderstanding and bad translation of what the researcher told your father, and what your father told you....?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Soten View Post
    It's simply astonishing that anyone would think that the Huguenots were a Germanic tribe. That's all.

    If you were French and Protestant in the 16th or 17th centuries, you were a Huguenot. I have Huguenot ancestors from Normandy and Huguenot ancestors from around Bordeaux. The term "Huguenot" doesn't even appear until the late 1500's, well after any "tribes" were still in existence.
    Well let me ask you this.. Did you know absoluelty everything about your family & bloodline growing up? 99.9% of people dont. I am pretty much just looking into my family. I want to know more about them.

    Quote Originally Posted by Hammer of Thor View Post
    That is quite possible. Try to get some additional information. The researcher may have meant that your Huguenot ancestors fled to Germany, remained in Germany for some time, and eventually left for America.

    It could be a misunderstanding and bad translation of what the researcher told your father, and what your father told you....?

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    I still have to see the paperwork & mow over the details. I dont have all the info on hand right now. But from what I have heard is that the earliest account was in germany, then france. I am second generation here in america.
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    Good luck. Hopefully, you can figure out what is going on.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Hammer of Thor View Post
    Good luck. Hopefully, you can figure out what is going on.

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    This researcher was the first shot in the dark. With that aside, my family emigrated from germany to america & the earliest account of the name was in germany. So I am very happy about that. Maybe my ancestors had a connection to the Huguenots. I have to wait and see when I get the paperwork.
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    Huguenot was the term for Calvinist French Protestants in the 16th-18th centuries. There is debate about the origin of the word. Germanic tribes settled in Gaul after the fall of the Roman Empire, Franks (actually a confederation of various Germanic tribes) & Burgundians in the north, Visigoths in the south, Vikings in Normandy. Since Protestantism mainly took root among Germanics, & the Celto-Germanic Scots, the theology is seen as appealing to the Germanic psyche, hense some persons believe the Huguenots to be descended from the Goths, Burgundians or Franks rather then Gallo-Romans. In any case the Huguenots assimilated, culturally & racially (there were no real racial differences), into the host populations in England, America, Netherlands & Germany.

    As for Huguenots being descended from Germanics rather then Gallo-Romans: the family of my great-grandmother is of Huguenot descent in the male line. Male members of that family are Y haplogroup G2a3b, not a Germanic haplogroup. Though G2a3b does show up in France.

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    There was no such thing as a Hunguenot tribe. Tribes were specific for ancient and early medieval Germanics. The Huguenots were a religious denomination from later centuries and had nothing to do with being Germanic per se. Calling Huguenots Germanic would be like calling Protestants Germanic, eventhough there are non-Germanics practicing that religion.
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    Tribe:1. A unit of sociopolitical organization consisting of a number of families, clans, or other groups who share a common ancestry and culture and among whom leadership is typically neither formalized nor permanent.

    2. A political, ethnic, or ancestral division of ancient states and cultures, especially:
    a. Any of the three divisions of the ancient Romans, namely, the Latin, Sabine, and Etruscan.
    b. Any of the 12 divisions of ancient Israel.
    c. A phyle of ancient Greece.

    3. A group of people sharing an occupation, interest, or habit: a tribe of graduate students.

    4. Informal A large family.

    5. Biology A taxonomic category placed between a subfamily and a genus or between a suborder and a family and usually containing several genera.


    I think the Huguenots could fit the definition of #3. They were a distinct ethnic group, sometime for several generations, in the nations they settled. Though I have never heard of the word "tribe" being applied to them.

    I think most of us think of definition #4 when thinking of a tribe in terms of people related by blood.

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    I won't get into the Huguenot tribe issue as Æmeric, Soten, and Hammer of Thor addressed that very well. As for the Germanic input in the Huguenot community, it varies. Huguenots came from literally all regions of France, and some are thus more Germanic than others (particularly Normans, Walloons, Burgundians, etc.). It also depends on where they sought refuge, and if they intermarried with the natives in those lands. My own Huguenot ancestors mostly fled to Germany, Switzerland, and the Netherlands, took local spouses, and then headed to the Colonies. In keeping with varying regional origin, mine hailed from Normandy, Brittany, and the Protestant stronghold of La Rochelle, along the Atlantic coast.

    While the French, regardless of individual tribal origin, are hardly racial aliens to Germanics to begin with, it's important to consider that Huguenots have had a strong influence in Germanic lands. Most Huguenots fled to the Netherlands due to traditional Dutch religious tolerance, and at one point 25% of the population of Amsterdam were Huguenots (with 75,000-100,000 nationwide). Similar numbers also fled to the British Isles, particularly England and Ireland, the latter in the wake of the Williamite Wars. Many also arrived in Germany and Scandinavia, and at one point Berlin had a population of Huguenots comparable to Amsterdam. These people usually adopted Germanicized/Anglicized versions of their surnames and blended seamlessly into the native population.

    A final point of interest is Madison Grant's take on the Huguenots. In The Passing of the Great Race, Grant denigrates French-Canadians and asserts that the settlers in New France hailed from primarily Alpine regions of France. He contrasts them with the Huguenots, who he argued were of more Nordish stock than their Catholic countrymen. I don't know if there is any truth to that, but interpret it as you will.

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