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    Getbees, in San Francisco. They will sell you a hive, and service it for one year.
    http://getbees.net/services.html

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    Bees on the Internet , Beekeeper forums

    It appears , that in Germany a lot of people new to beekeeping are starting with keeping bees .

    There are several internet forums , who show up , when searching for 'Imker Forum' .

    Imker is the German professional wording for a person , who keeps , tends and maintains bees ,
    rooting in the word 'Imme' for a female bee .

    I will list the forum URLs , that I have found as of today ,
    and of course these are in German language :

    1.) https://www.landlive.de/communities/5/ part of a large agricultural website

    2.) http://imkerforum.nordbiene.de/ forum for the dark bee once dominant in shifting weather of Northern Europe

    3.) http://www.einfachimkern.de/ simple forum with low participation

    4.) https://www.imkerforum.de/ since 1999

    5.) https://imkerforum.net/

    6.) https://www.bienenforum.com/core/forum.php

    7.) http://www.imkerzeitung.de/



    Whoever , who wants to start keeping bees in Germany , should search the internet for 'Imkerverein' ( Bee Keeper's Club ) ,
    because there are pretty many local clubs , where both commercial and hobby bee keepers are registered ,
    and who could be some kind of first step to learn practicing bee keeping .

    When I once some month ago visited the local bee keepers web address , I could read , that the number
    of members slowly is increasing , and the percentage of women raised from 25 to 33 per cent .

    Most of the forum threads in such forums seem to be about the Varoa parasite and
    about techiques to combat these spider-like insects .

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    Quote Originally Posted by Uwe Jens Lornsen View Post
    It appears , that in Germany a lot of people new to beekeeping are starting with keeping bees .

    There are several internet forums , who show up , when searching for 'Imker Forum' .

    Imker is the German professional wording for a person , who keeps , tends and maintains bees ,
    rooting in the word 'Imme' for a female bee .

    I will list the forum URLs , that I have found as of today ,
    and of course these are in German language :

    1.) https://www.landlive.de/communities/5/ part of a large agricultural website

    2.) http://imkerforum.nordbiene.de/ forum for the dark bee once dominant in shifting weather of Northern Europe

    3.) http://www.einfachimkern.de/ simple forum with low participation

    4.) https://www.imkerforum.de/ since 1999

    5.) https://imkerforum.net/

    6.) https://www.bienenforum.com/core/forum.php

    7.) http://www.imkerzeitung.de/



    Whoever , who wants to start keeping bees in Germany , should search the internet for 'Imkerverein' ( Bee Keeper's Club ) ,
    because there are pretty many local clubs , where both commercial and hobby bee keepers are registered ,
    and who could be some kind of first step to learn practicing bee keeping .

    When I once some month ago visited the local bee keepers web address , I could read , that the number
    of members slowly is increasing , and the percentage of women raised from 25 to 33 per cent .

    Most of the forum threads in such forums seem to be about the Varoa parasite and
    about techiques to combat these spider-like insects .
    Do they keep bees in cities ?
    Do they also try to make honey? Enough flowers?



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    Beekeeping for Dummies

    Quote Originally Posted by Finnish Swede View Post
    Do they keep bees in cities ?
    Do they also try to make honey? Enough flowers?
    I visited the website of the local beekeeping club again , and in the city of around
    240 thousand inhabitans , there are 140 members registered .

    Only one registered member appears to be a commercial beekeeper ,
    with 50-100 hives / folks / swarms .

    The average number of hives owned by each member declined from 8.5 down
    to 6.8 , especially because one large commercial bee keeper seems to have
    de-registered / moved elsewhere / given up .

    The cities in Germany tend to have very many colony garden areas ,
    where people not owning property can cheaply lease some garden ,
    with a small wooden hut or shed on it, to grow vegetables and fruit trees .

    Each city has also a wide borderline with the surrounding countryside .

    It appears , when reading these forums , that already in late July the honey harvest
    is done , and the feeding with sugar-water begins , one poster claiming
    one Liter been neccessary for one hive every single day .

    So, keeping bees is not for lazy people , the bees need attention each day .

    And one needs to watch out for insects robbing the hives , even other folks
    may be attracted by the odour of a freshly opened hive or spilled sugarsyrup ,
    to rob the honey .
    The attacked hive will defend until death , and it helps to make the entrance hole
    smaller , for a smaller hole is easier to defend .
    But a small hole might lead to higher temperatures inside the bee hive , which needs
    to be avoided , and therefore a hive needs to be watched each day for annormalities .


    Some more about bees I had found on the internet :

    1.) Beekeeping for Dummies : An usual book of the yellow-black "For Dummies" series .
    If you look closely, you may see bees fighting at the entrance or on the ground in front of the hive.
    They are embraced in mortal combat.
    These are the guard bees defending their colony to the death.
    This behavior is a sure indication of robbing.
    https://www.dummies.com/home-garden/...-your-beehive/


    2. ) Wikipedia has a stub about robbing of bees by bees :
    Robbing is a term used in beekeeping. Bees from one beehive will try to rob honey from another hive.
    ...
    Among the races of the Western honeybee, the Italian bee has been identified with an especially strong tendency to rob.
    https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Robbing


    3.) There are some half dozen of diseases and parasites affecting bees ,
    one of the plagues named 'American Foul Breed' translated from German language .
    Wikipedia has only a few languages about this epidemic , and none in Englisch language .
    According the news ticker of the local bee keeper's club , this AFB had been occurred
    several dozen kilometres from here in September this year .
    This disease has to be noticed to local authorities and all hives in a circle need to be
    monitored , since robbing bees will pull in this disease into their hive , too .
    It is similar to some cattle diseases , where large areas are quarantained ,
    to prevent outbreak elsewhere .
    Die Amerikanische Faulbrut (auch Bienenpest genannt, Histolysis infectiosa perniciosa larvae apium, Pestis americana larvae apium) ist eine Erkrankung der älteren Bienenbrut, ...
    https://de.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Faulbrut


    Beekeeping could raise awareness about modern society's problems with
    invasive imported species ..
    Mk 10:18 What do you call me a good master, no-one is good .

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    Quote Originally Posted by Uwe Jens Lornsen View Post
    I visited the website of the local beekeeping club again , and in the city of around
    240 thousand inhabitans , there are 140 members registered .

    Only one registered member appears to be a commercial beekeeper ,
    with 50-100 hives / folks / swarms .

    The average number of hives owned by each member declined from 8.5 down
    to 6.8 , especially because one large commercial bee keeper seems to have
    de-registered / moved elsewhere / given up .

    The cities in Germany tend to have very many colony garden areas ,
    where people not owning property can cheaply lease some garden ,
    with a small wooden hut or shed on it, to grow vegetables and fruit trees .

    Each city has also a wide borderline with the surrounding countryside .

    It appears , when reading these forums , that already in late July the honey harvest
    is done , and the feeding with sugar-water begins , one poster claiming
    one Liter been neccessary for one hive every single day .

    So, keeping bees is not for lazy people , the bees need attention each day .

    And one needs to watch out for insects robbing the hives , even other folks
    may be attracted by the odour of a freshly opened hive or spilled sugarsyrup ,
    to rob the honey .
    The attacked hive will defend until death , and it helps to make the entrance hole
    smaller , for a smaller hole is easier to defend .
    But a small hole might lead to higher temperatures inside the bee hive , which needs
    to be avoided , and therefore a hive needs to be watched each day for annormalities .


    Some more about bees I had found on the internet :

    1.) Beekeeping for Dummies : An usual book of the yellow-black "For Dummies" series .

    https://www.dummies.com/home-garden/...-your-beehive/


    2. ) Wikipedia has a stub about robbing of bees by bees :

    https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Robbing


    3.) There are some half dozen of diseases and parasites affecting bees ,
    one of the plagues named 'American Foul Breed' translated from German language .
    Wikipedia has only a few languages about this epidemic , and none in Englisch language .
    According the news ticker of the local bee keeper's club , this AFB had been occurred
    several dozen kilometres from here in September this year .
    This disease has to be noticed to local authorities and all hives in a circle need to be
    monitored , since robbing bees will pull in this disease into their hive , too .
    It is similar to some cattle diseases , where large areas are quarantained ,
    to prevent outbreak elsewhere .

    https://de.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Faulbrut


    Beekeeping could raise awareness about modern society's problems with
    invasive imported species ..
    Oh, I know quite a lot of this topic
    And yes...bees are both important for environment/nature but also good warners/signs. Today's big scale intensive farmers uses much too much chemicals (and have done that too long). Now they have noticed that bees are becoming rarer. That should be a serious wake up call, but they just will bring new bees into their fields/areas.

    I prefer the food which grows on our own fields. Or honey...

    And again ... humans just should keep their ''greedy'' fingers out of other species ....
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Africanized_bee

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    Quote Originally Posted by Hersir View Post
    Getbees, in San Francisco. They will sell you a hive, and service it for one year.
    http://getbees.net/services.html
    That URL is not valid anymore .

    Expectable , since bees need a lot of maintenence , and driving around
    in a large city like San Francisco could possibly just maintain 4-16 locations
    a day .


    In New Zealand the rental of bee hives with folks is still possible ,
    but they charge NS-$800 a year for two hives , giving yield to
    40 pounds of honey : $20 an average glass , and therefore luxury ware .

    Families to introduce children to bees , and wanting their own garden honey
    with the feeling of avoiding unknown substances in supermarket's honeys ,
    would be likely the main custumer base for such rent-outs .
    Then we will return ⅓ of the honey for you to enjoy! You will get around 10kg depending how the bees are doing.
    Each hive can produce between 15-40 kg’s per year.
    ...
    Prices vary depending on the number of beehives you wish to buy or rent.

    Monthly Rental

    1 hive - $50 per month
    2 hives - $80 per month

    Annual discount
    1 year 1 hive: - $500
    1 year 2 hives: - $800
    http://badgerhoney.co.nz/get-bees-and-hives.html


    For San Francisco itself I had only found this website about bees :
    Unfortunately almost 75% of those 55,000 saplings have already been pre-treated at the nursery with Systemic poisons, either neonicotinoids, fungicides, or both.

    When a tree has been injected, drenched or sprayed with these products, the poison is in every system of the plant sometimes showing up in nectar and pollen as long as 6 years after one treatment. Studies not paid for or endorsed by the pesticide industry and its tame academics and researchers tell a sad tale. No dose is safe, even if the pesticide corporations who dictate the entire narrative, declares a bee can survive up to 20 parts per billion of a neonic.. Our lack of birds and flying insects says otherwise. How can any pollinator beat the odds by ingesting poison that is 7000 times stronger than DDT, which is released in the nectar and pollen and which is still in the flower and guttation for six years or longer? The power of these products can best be seen in the lack of beneficial flying insects and the birds who rely on them for food. Skies that are bare of life is not normal.
    http://urbanbeesf.com/

    San Francisco became a literally shithole during the last decade ,
    so probably people in SF have different sorrows , than bees ...
    Mk 10:18 What do you call me a good master, no-one is good .

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    Very provocative bee hive by a female named Jönsson , might be located in Sweden :



    Found while reading German wikipedia for a special bee hive construction made of hollowed stems of trees :
    https://de.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Klotzbeute


    Edit :

    The problem with such old-fashioned bee hives is , that they can not be maintained
    when infested by parasites and diseases , and likely would need to be burned on the stake
    if such outbreaks occur within their combs .

    The disease and parasite might survive for years and newly attracted swarms ,
    who move in to create a new bee colony , might get infested .
    Mk 10:18 What do you call me a good master, no-one is good .

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    There are bee saving projects here too:

    https://www.independent.co.uk/life-s...-a8461426.html

    "In 2015, there were just 270,000 hives in the UK, compared with nearly a million in 1900"

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    I have found two commercial lease lenders of bee folks and hives in Germany :
    They charge between €175 and €200 a month for just one hive for 12 to 60 months
    of hiring these bee hives .

    This would make approx. €2400 a year , and the hiring person can keep all the honey .

    As I understand it , these rent-a-bee schemes are thought for larger manufacturing companies ,
    to respond to laws demanding more environmental protection , like substitution for the amount
    of climate gasses emitted or adding new buildings on former forrests and graslands .

    The average honey consumption is said to be at 2½ lbs ( 1.2 kg ) annually each person in Germany ,
    and the bees declined , from 1.1 million swarms in 1990 , down to 700 thousand this decade .

    1.) https://www.bee-rent.de/

    2.) https://www.imkerei-domke.de/bienen-mieten/

    To the company renting out bees , these high monthly fees are justified , in my opinion ,
    but an average citizen will not be able to spend that large amount of money .


    For 2'400 €uros a full set of five bee hives and the whole equipment and tools necessary should be available ,
    when starting up one self's bee business .


    For example : A modern bee housing case or box costs around €340 , and with additional
    accessoires and equipment one could reach €750 .
    Found at : https://www.bienenbox.de/ which offers even a set of angled irons to be set up
    at balkonies for city people . These city people mostly do not harvest the honey
    and will leave the loot to the bees . They claim , that such a bee keeping practice would
    just afford 20 hours a year , and thinking of looking at the hive for just four minutes each day ,
    could make 1 hour tending time every 15 days .


    But when the diseases come , things might get costly and time consuming :
    Actually there are 92 registered outbreaks of the American Foul Brood in the whole of Germany ,
    with their restricted areas mapped at apisnetz.de : http://apisnetz.de/fbk.php?id=2a674d...cbc40a364ec661

    In some states in Germany , a bee keeper has to be dutily member of the Animal Disease Fund ( Tierseuchenfund ) ,
    and to pay into that fonds , as it is an insurance to pay the culling of pested cattle .
    Mk 10:18 What do you call me a good master, no-one is good .

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    Two websites from the United Kingdom :

    1.) Bees in our community : Located around Liverpool , they hire out and lease-purchase hives and bee colonies
    for around £40-60 a month , and have a sponsorship of hives of 1/10 for £50, 1/2 for £200 and 1/1 for £350 a year ,
    with lots of service and equipment included .
    http://www.beesinourcommunity.org.uk...rchase-a-hive/
    Similar to the managed hive option but you become the owner of the hive and the bees after two or three years. This is a wonderful way to enter into beekeeping as a lifetime hobby. Risks are very low as almost all contingencies are covered by the agreement. By the end of the lease-purchase period, you should understand and feel comfortable to manage your own hives and even to think about getting another hive or two.
    It is still a costly hobby , but not too expensive , compared with pricings elsewhere .
    Purchasing a single jar of honey from BIOC directly would just cost £4 at 1lb .

    Calculating a group of 10 persons would sponsor one 1/1 colony for three years ,
    it would cost £900 over these three years , £90 each member and less than £3 a month .


    2.) National Bee Unit : Here one can read a lot of statistics and topics about beekeeping
    http://www.nationalbeeunit.com/
    A little bit weird , that it has a .com TLD , and not a .gov.uk ... or something .
    Disease Assurance Scheme for Honeybees - DASH

    In 2010 - 2011 the Farming Regulation Task Force issued an Earned Recognition Plan which, as the title suggests, allows self-regulation to those who show a strong track record of reliability and adherence to standards.
    http://www.nationalbeeunit.com/index.cfm?pageid=360



    For the U.S.A. I have found two websites , too :

    1.) American Beekeepers Federation : Large organisation , membership at $60 up to 25 hives ,
    the website itself does not provide much sophisticated information , and seems to show
    the good sides of beekeeping mainly .
    https://www.abfnet.org/


    2.) BuzzaboutBees.net with a list of beekeeping associations ,
    and at least a lot of basic information around beekeeping :
    https://www.buzzaboutbees.net/beekee...h-america.html
    Mk 10:18 What do you call me a good master, no-one is good .

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