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    What some people here also seem to forget is that studying is an expensive thing IN ANY CASE!

    I mean you usually can't work at the high time of your academic activities in a way which would provide with sufficient financial ressources to live a "good life" in a material sense anyway - unless your parents help you out!

    So if someone has to pay his living AND the - now in Britain extremely high costs of higher education, in the USA for quite some time already, you are stuck in debt and poverty.

    But regardless of that, if you don't want to study, at least take part in higher educational institutions teachings and learnings, courses and the like, you don't do that anyway, "just to cost the state and nice taxpayers money".

    If you study, as a rule of thumb, especially those from the lower and middle classes even more so (!), you do that because you believe in it and think it is - for whatever reason - wroth the effort, not because you can "cost the taxpayer money".

    Some here argue as if some students like the idea of "costing money" and study to "cost money" - as if that is everything all this is about!

    That is just ridiculous and something I know from my region too, mostly from small farmers and workers which are essentially hostile to any sort of education, feel themselves "unprivileged" and have to deal with an inferiority complex quite often, social stratum specific, while being often active in things like illegal employment and the like.

    The manipulators can of course use these social disputes and "class related" issues between different groups of people to play the groups out against each other.

    This time against students and "Leftists", next time against workers, then businessmen, finally the rest of a free press - which is a joke if looking at the Wikileaks story anyway, and then turning on the rest of the freedoms and wealth of the average people in general.

    It is a step by step salami swindle to change all states - beginning with Britain and the USA, into Plutocratic colonies, privatising everything and bringing all fields of society under the control of the Plutocrat's bankers money.

    In my opinion everybody should have the access to free education once having the necessary school degree. To go on with the studies one has to pass certain exams - that is the selection sooner or later anyway. And there the different stations of higher education, after all that's what the European Union is implementing Europe-wide anyway at the same time to standardise the higher education in Europe - often to come closer to a just "training for the job" sort of "higher education" unfortunately, absolutely in a Neoliberal and business oriented sense, typical for this corrupted system which against all better traditions of Universities in occidental Europe!
    Magna Europa est patria nostra
    STOP GATS! STOP LIBERALISM!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Agrippa View Post
    What's your problem with higher education for more people?
    None whatsoever and I bet I am more for higher education than you.

    I'd say there are different degrees and stations for an academic, so there will be some kind of selection this or that way.
    I just think the standards for the aptitude tests need to be higher and entry to a higher education needs to be based on merit instead of finance. I also believe in the importance in industrial education, training the youth for trades and service jobs. I would rather see productive citizens employed in meaningful work than the masses of lost souls that pursue education for education's sake. These are legion and they have brought to the technical world mediocrity when they would have made better mechanics and tradesmen.

    But I see that some people just have no understanding, idea and feeling for education in a positive and healthy sense being a value in itself?
    Higher education is not a value in itself, if someone is in pursuit in higher education he should be fully dedicated to the work. The problem is that we have youth who are not really suited for the technical world pursuing education just for the sake of it. I would rather see an emphasis on industrial education, where the youth learns every aspect of their trade right to mastery.

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    Same thing has been happening here in Canada. With all of these worldwide tuition hikes, Karl Marx is probably already angrily rising from the grave...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Hamar Fox View Post
    IMO, foreign aid should be slashed by roughly 100%, and university education should be free for all English people. The riots are justified. £9000 per year is beyond ridiculous. Money could be saved a million other ways. Paying politicians minimum wage should be the first one. Not spending any money in helping inferior races should be the second. There, I've found some ways to free up some cash so students won't be in debt for their entire lives.
    Definitely. Ditto Australia. The idiots that govern us have just given A$45 million (money we have borrowed) to Moslem Indonesia to assist the Indonesians in combating climate change. Can you believe that? F*****g climate change! We give Indonesia billions of dollars of borrowed money in aid so that the Indonesians will like us and not despise us--and it doesn't work; the bastards just take the money and laugh at foolish Australian gullibility. That's the Australian Labor Party for you. What a wank!

    And yet our hospitals are under-funded and in a shambles, and many of the roads here are in disrepair. And we need more transport infrastructure; and more power infrastructure. And our standards of eduction, from primary to secondary to tertiary, are abysmally poor. I sometimes think that degrees from Australian universities are not worth the paper they are written on. That's what I mean when I say Australia is terribly mismanaged and misgoverned. The idiots are incompetent, thoroughly impractical, and have no sense of priorities. The ALP is composed of impractical academic theorists, not hardnosed, practical doers. The ALP always goes for the grand gesture that it thinks enhances its do-gooder image, while practical, substantial, and important matters of national development are continually neglected.

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    I have to agree with my fellow Americans here...
    Anybody who thinks their education is free has not been very well educated. They can pay through taxes or they can pay for their student loan.
    What these foolish students, like the Greeks, don't understand is that their government is broke. They don't have a choice but to massively cut spending. And entitlements such as education, medical care, and retirement pensions are what's killing them. They must cut one of these, and whichever one they choose to cut, it will cause protests.
    Furthermore, the very act of getting the government out of the education business will cause the cost to go down. Nothing causes cost inflation quite like government subsidies. That is the problem with our medical system in the US... The majority of money spent on medicine here is spent by the government (hardly a capitalistic system), which causes it to be very expensive.
    Also, in a free market, only those who have the most to gain from their education, due to greater ability, greater interest in their field, and wiser choice of degree, will be able to muster the funds necessary to attend university, allowing resources to be more concentrated on those who will put them to the best use. In America, if you choose to study nuclear engineering, for instance, and you have the intellectual ability, you will not have to pay a dime for your education. But if you just want to go to college because it's a wonderful experience, and it will give you time to discover your true calling in life, then why should the rest of society pay for it? We'd be better off with lower taxes so that the more productive members of society can better afford their educations.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Uberman View Post
    I have to agree with my fellow Americans here...
    Anybody who thinks their education is free has not been very well educated.
    Nobody thinks it's free.

    They can pay through taxes or they can pay for their student loan.
    Paying U$15000 a year (and rising) for Uni tuition fees (excluding living costs, study materials etc) puts education out of reach for everybody except the rich. What bank is going to make loans of 45 - 60K or more available to school leavers with no collateral. How will one realistically pay back such sums after completing whilst also having to "live" ie pay rent, save for a house etc.

    Furthermore the plan is to pimp out many available University slots to foreigners at even higher rates thereby depriving even more locals of available slots. The UK is turning into a type of globalised international "University Incorporated" where money talks and the rest walk.

    The general philosophy here at Skadi is to be anti-Globalisation, anti-Outsourcing, pro-Nationalist, Economic Protectionist, pro-Country, pro-Our-Own-People, pro-Self Sufficiency and Reliance (as opposed to becoming dependent on foreign imports). The idea is not to abandon our people, sovereignty and economy to "market forces" and to worship at the altars of Darwinistic Dog-Eat-Dog and Mammon.


    What these foolish students, like the Greeks, don't understand is that their government is broke. They don't have a choice but to massively cut spending.
    Neither the students nor the Greeks are fools and both understand perfectly well that their countries (not governments) are broke. They also understand perfectly well that THEIR GOVERNMENTS got them into this position through connivance with freemarket capitalist banksters by plundering the national wealth.

    Countries like the UK always seems to find money for wars, spending on
    "Foreign Aid" (wtf????), spending on white elephant projects with a large scope for corruption and the enrichment of government officials and their friends (Olympics). Yet they cannot find money for education? The end result is that the country as a whole is dumbed down. The population are reduced to lower class serfs no different to what one finds in the Middle East, Africa etc.

    And entitlements such as education, medical care, and retirement pensions are what's killing them. They must cut one of these, and whichever one they choose to cut, it will cause protests.
    The reason these schemes are "killing" certain countries (whilst others aren't "dying" under the strain) is because of mismanagement, corruption and misappropriation of funds.

    Furthermore, the very act of getting the government out of the education business will cause the cost to go down. Nothing causes cost inflation quite like government subsidies.
    Yeah right.... the costs of education here is already tripling after government "got out". It will not end there either. Costs will continue rising.

    What you fail to understand is that capitalist competition and choice only works if demand can easily be satisfied by intense competition of service providers for customers.

    This simply isn't possible with education. There is too much demand. There are not nearly enough educational institutions. The result is that the supplier can set whatever prices they want and the consumer will be forced to pay it or forsake the service.

    Another example:

    When the public rail network system got privatised costs spiralled, rail safety slipped, investment in the network ended, accident rates went up and costs are now so high that people now start giving up on rail transport and are moving back to cars.

    The rail system, by its very nature, cannot be split up into truly competing service providers offering "choice" on price, routes and services. Since the capitalist providers have effective monopolies over routes and services they can set prices at any level they choose to and consumers are forced to pay it or forsake those services.

    Capitalism doesn't work when real alternatives and choices cannot be and aren't offered.

    That is the problem with our medical system in the US... The majority of money spent on medicine here is spent by the government (hardly a capitalistic system), which causes it to be very expensive.
    That's not true. Cuba's social healthcare system remains affordable despite it being controlled by the government. One could argue that their system is more primitive, doesn't offer as much choice and so forth but it does offer reasonable basic care.

    The reason why the US healthcare system is so expensive is because of a number of reasons such as the overinflated salaries of medical personnel, the litigation (lawsuit) culture, high insurance costs (due to the litigation culture), overinflated prices / profiteering of medical suppliers etc.

    There would be other reasons, I don't know all of them. What I do know is that in a number of other countries Medical costs aren't (yet) as out of control as they are in the US.

    Also, in a free market, only those who have the most to gain from their education, due to greater ability, greater interest in their field, and wiser choice of degree, will be able to muster the funds necessary to attend university, allowing resources to be more concentrated on those who will put them to the best use.
    That's a rather Darwinistic approach. All very well if you're from a social demographic with financial means. Not so well when you're not.

    Ability has little to do with it. Those from an already privileged background will be allowed to muster the resources to get educated. Those who're not won't.

    In America, if you choose to study nuclear engineering, for instance, and you have the intellectual ability, you will not have to pay a dime for your education. But if you just want to go to college because it's a wonderful experience, and it will give you time to discover your true calling in life, then why should the rest of society pay for it? We'd be better off with lower taxes so that the more productive members of society can better afford their educations.
    You're making naive assumptions. It's a fallacy to believe that cutting spending on education, healthcare, social spending and so forth automatically = lower taxes.

    This only happens in fantasy land.

    What happens in the real world is that the taxes stay the same, are raised and that the money is diverted into the pockets of politicians and the plutocracy instead. At the moment we are in a phase were massive sums of wealth (meaning our savings and taxes) are being transferred from the general population to the elites.

    The bank bailout funds (paid for by us), property bubbles (paid for by us), spending on wars (paid for by us) are a few examples.

    The reason there's no money for the proletariat is that the elites are creaming it off. They are becoming super rich. We are footing the bill.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Vindefense View Post
    I just think the standards for the aptitude tests need to be higher and entry to a higher education needs to be based on merit instead of finance.
    If there must be an selection, from an organisational point of view, it should be always by potential and merits, yes, agreed.

    I also believe in the importance in industrial education, training the youth for trades and service jobs.
    Yes, that is important TOO.

    I would rather see productive citizens employed in meaningful work than the masses of lost souls that pursue education for education's sake.
    I don't think that MUST BE a contradiction actually, because I think we need both and the more sublime science which pursues truth and real knowledge, wisdom and spiritual leadership, can be very valuable in many fields too.

    These are legion and they have brought to the technical world mediocrity when they would have made better mechanics and tradesmen.
    As I said, we need both, you don't need to devaluate the more sublime sciences for that, in fact, in both fields the niveau dropped, because of our re-educational system.

    Higher education is not a value in itself, if someone is in pursuit in higher education he should be fully dedicated to the work. The problem is that we have youth who are not really suited for the technical world pursuing education just for the sake of it. I would rather see an emphasis on industrial education, where the youth learns every aspect of their trade right to mastery.
    Again you make up a contradiction where I see none.

    Quote Originally Posted by Rodger
    terribly mismanaged and misgoverned. The idiots are incompetent, thoroughly impractical, and have no sense of priorities. The ALP is composed of impractical academic theorists, not hardnosed, practical doers. The ALP always goes for the grand gesture that it thinks enhances its do-gooder image, while practical, substantial, and important matters of national development are continually neglected.
    I think you are still on the wrong track actually, because those people aren't incompetent necessarily, they just don't do what YOU want them to do, but follow probably the instructions and ideas of other, more influential people in the background!

    That is the problem with the Plutocratic Oligarchy and their menials, even if they have the skills, our politicians are in fact not "our" politicians, but primarily liable to those which financed them, told them whats moral, will appear as "good" for the people and being wanted by the thinktanks and lobbies in the background.

    F.e. I know that many laws being no longer written by the politicians, they get the scheme from the lobbyists and just sign it oftentimes!

    What do you expect from such politicians and a spiritual elite, which is, like I described no longer liable to the people, foreign - often Jewish - or just hostile to the own people and corrupted!

    Just watch this video: "Dispatches: Inside Britain's Israel Lobby"

    YouTube - Inside Britain's Israel Lobby, Part-1/5

    YouTube - Inside Britain's Israel Lobby, Part-2/5

    YouTube - Inside Britain's Israel Lobby, Part-3/5

    YouTube - Inside Britain's Israel Lobby, Part-4/5

    YouTube - Inside Britain's Israel Lobby, Part-5/5


    And that is just the tip of the Iceberg!

    Anybody who thinks their education is free has not been very well educated. They can pay through taxes or they can pay for their student loan.
    Taxes in one way or another - could be through indirect taxes via money creation WITHOUT DEBT and INTEREST as well, is the better way to go, to make it fair and accessible, while not bringing the young people into debt and depdency at the start of their life!

    If they get the credit to begin with...

    That is the problem with our medical system in the US... The majority of money spent on medicine here is spent by the government (hardly a capitalistic system), which causes it to be very expensive.
    Your system is totally Capitalistic. It is just the the big corporations control not just the market, but the politics too.

    So they can get every price they want in the country of "possibilities", often much higher prices than to the countries they export it to.

    Now you can tell me, that is "no true Libertarian Capitalism", but that is how a Capitalist society really works, the big business DICTATES prices and politics!

    And behind the big business are always the bankers, because they have almost limitless access to free money through the FED and fractional reserve system!

    They buy the world up and you say the medical-health care system in the US of A is not good enough because it is "not Capitalistic"? What kind of delusion must one have to come to that conclusion!

    Also, in a free market, only those who have the most to gain from their education, due to greater ability, greater interest in their field, and wiser choice of degree, will be able to muster the funds necessary to attend university, allowing resources to be more concentrated on those who will put them to the best use.
    Who told you THAT?

    What is your memetic background and who is your spiritual master?

    Look at your spiritual masters:

    Milton Friedman and Murray Rothbard:

    People like Friedman and Rothbard want to tear people down on their low level, so that they themselves can stay above them - greed being "moral" and ethics being "immoral" by using Liberal and Cultural Marxist tricks, by attacking the higher ethics as the crime and the greed as the norm and good thing which brought forward "freedom and prosperity" - that's a typically Jewish approach to things, if you have a weakness, sell it as a strength and make the others strength their weakness, so that you can be admired for your crimes and corruption.

    This interview makes that perfectly clear:
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RWsx1...layer_embedded

    Just look at him in comparison to more leptomorphic-progressive variants, he is a physical nothing, almost doesn't exist, he is not just short, but his whole body cries "nothing" - not even interesting in an unattractive way, just nothing - a meaningless dwarf in every respect from his face to his legs.



    Such elements can never rule directly, they always have to go it the slimy way and manipulate others, that's what they are bred for, those reduced Armenids.

    He is of the same kind like Kissinger, Soros & Co., low level for Jews too, but very clever in their own corrupted way.

    Now look at the next face of "true Economics" for Libertarians, Murray Rothbard:



    The founder of 'Anarcho Capitalism' has the following to say about children:

    "Now if a parent may own his child (within the framework of non-aggression and runaway-freedom), then he may also transfer that ownership to someone else. He may give the child out for adoption, or he may sell the rights to the child in a voluntary contract. In short, we must face the fact that the purely free society will have a flourishing free market in children. Superficially, this sounds monstrous and inhuman. But closer thought will reveal the superior humanism of such a market. For we must realize that there is a market for children now, but that since the government prohibits sale of children at a price, the parents may now only give their children away to a licensed adoption agency free of charge."
    These creatures are abhorrent monsters physically and mentally. What they want is what the Plutocracy realises, just without the "ethic nonsense" they use for camouflage, distracting and manipulating naive people believing in that nonsense as "a solution" for a "better society without the state".

    The ugly dwarf Friedman has a son by the way, you might want to take a look at his offspring:



    David D. Friedman

    Anarcho-capitalism

    In his book The Machinery of Freedom (1973), Friedman sketched a form of anarcho-capitalism where all goods and services including law itself can be produced by the free market. This differs from the version proposed by Murray Rothbard, where a legal code would first be consented to by the parties involved in setting up the anarcho-capitalist society. Friedman advocates an incrementalist approach to achieve anarcho-capitalism by gradual privatization of areas that government is involved in, ultimately privatizing law and order itself. In the book, he states his opposition to violent anarcho-capitalist revolution.[3]

    He uses a consequentialist version of anarcho-capitalism. Friedman's version of individualist anarchism is not based on the assumption of inviolable natural rights but rather rests on a cost/benefit analysis of state versus no state.[4] It is contrasted with the natural-rights approach as propounded most notably by Austrian School economist and libertarian theorist Murray Rothbard.
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/David_D._Friedman

    Everything could be bought then, everything corrupted, police, military, law and state like institutions, everything in the hands of the Plutocracy and their menials in a totalitarian, corrupted and perverted system.

    The nightmare of mankind, the ultimate failure of our species - realised by such anti-humans which have nothing else in their foul mind it seems.

    How any sane individual not part of the Plutocracy or their privileged menials - even of those if having a certain sense for right and wrong, ethics and higher values, can admire that scum is beyond my imagination and can be only explained by such naive personalities and characters, which are not ready for life to begin with - if they are honest and no comediens of course.

    Here is the "dream couple" which produced that son, Milton Friedman with his wife, Rose Friedman:


    As if that wouldn't have been enough, David D. Friedman procreated too!



    What a wonderful dynasty of "Anarcho-Capitalists", the role models for "white American Libertarians" I guess...

    People like Rothbard and the Friedmans are just there to spread memetic poison, distract and manipulate, confuse and prepare the people for the changes which the Plutocracy plans, conscious or unconscious tools, which are very proud of themselves and how they can play with the minds of the people, as former ghetto Jews which were nothing quite often, but now being admired and have a status, even in "Economic science" which became in the theoretical field at least close to something which can be best described as ideological conditioning...

    There are at least two to three important groups of people from a systemic perspective:

    - Functional elite = individuals which are achievers and makers, they are good at "doing things", they are the backbone of any higher evolved society and make any group stronger per se.

    But they are often specialists, specialised on certain achievements and carry blinkers quite often, to ignore things which could distract them from "achieving" and "performing" - so if you tell them what they should do and oftentimes like to do by themselves anyway, which is the most important thing to them and they get all the basic things humans want for it (material security and wealth, social status and acceptance etc.), they won't think about too much else unless "crashing into something".

    Progressive variants produce a higher proportion of such variants for all kind of fields from beauty, sports, military, science to business.

    - Spiritual elite = individuals which are more some kind of "thinkers" and "true leaders", even if being not in charge nominally. They determine where politics, ethics, philosophy and business etc. is heading to.

    Because the functaional elite, no matter how high standing they are, is most of the time rather an object in society than the subject.

    The only true subjects are those which can think and evaluate largely on their own and on a higher level, truly sovereign only those of this kind which are in charge.

    And here comes the disproportionate Jewish influence MUCH STRONGER into our mempool and this is far more important. Because what does it matter if all the American officers would be high level progressive WASP's, if those which give them the orders, for which they "do their job" like they say and risk their lives, kill and cripple other people, are of a different kind?

    Same goes for all those managers, what does it matter, if the banks in the background can kick him out of business every time and he must act on the orders of the bankers and financiers - even if being among the "super rich" for the common people and ruling thousands of others, if he primarily follows orders, acts like expected and does what the system's elite wants, being just a good "administator" for the power and profits of others in the end, he is still just an object and puppet like his smallest worker - just on a higher level, but in no way more independent.

    Just think about what people like Friedman did, they really controlled the discourse!

    Even if 90 percent of the professors in economy would be no Jews and highly progressive European elements, if they follow the paradigms of people like Friedman & Co., they are, like the dependent manager, just objects and no subjects.

    Of course, there is a difference between people coming to the very same conclusion on their own behalf and those which just follow the hierarchy - and here again we have a spiritual hierarchy with the spiritual elite on top. They determine the direction and THAT is crucial!

    Now for those hostile (or any other) memes are: Originators - replicators - carriers - competitors.

    The originators are a few people which create the hostile or degenerated mem - the replicators are the primary source of its spread, in this case it would be about newspaper, authors, professors, students among each others, corporations, management training etc. All being infected, carry it on, like a virus, but in the end, really crucial is who made it up and who can change it again, use and abuse it - at least more than others.

    Those which create these new "cultural mutations" in our mempool, decide which memes being favoured, kept or changed, are the true spiritual elite, all others are just replicators and carriers - sometimes competitors.

    In fact, in cultural evolution there is as much competition and change as in biological evolution, even much faster oftentimes, but less checked, more prone to degeneration as well.

    On top of that system are those which can hype people into spiritual elite positions, those are the people which control the channels of idea-reproducation and ressource control, in the end, this is the Plutocratic Oligarchy through the banks and other financial institutions as well as the corporations - now through more remote and non-profit organisations as well, in political groups, scientific community, everything in the educational system and even religious institutions they infected too.

    So absolute numbers don't matter, you have too look at the originators, those which made the memetic strategy successful. In the case of "Libertarian economics" and "Anarcho-Capitalism", we talk about creations which are so remote from any true European concept, that they are just not possible, not even thinkable IN THAT FORM, without the Jewish influence.

    Our independent and caring spiritual elite of a true European character ceased to exist, now we have just the Plutocratic Oligarchy and its privileged menials, among those many Jews or other foreign elements, far remote from our European community and spirit - or what's left of it.
    Magna Europa est patria nostra
    STOP GATS! STOP LIBERALISM!

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    People like Friedman and Rothbard want to tear people down on their low level, so that they themselves can stay above them - greed being "moral" and ethics being "immoral" by using Liberal and Cultural Marxist tricks, by attacking the higher ethics as the crime and the greed as the norm and good thing which brought forward "freedom and prosperity" - that's a typically Jewish approach to things, if you have a weakness, sell it as a strength and make the others strength their weakness, so that you can be admired for your crimes and corruption.
    Reminds me of Ayn Rand, another member of the tribe. It's kind of interesting how they set up two opposing ideologies (marxism/communism and plutocratic anarcho-capitalism/liberalism) which have in common that they're internationalist and that they effectively dismantle the traditional gentile societies.

    It seems to work very similar to fake democracies, where you only have two big parties to choose from, which basically do the same thing. During the cold war the minds of most people were conditioned in such a way, that they started to perceive the world in this binary fashion seeing everything just in terms of these two ideologies.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Heinrich Harrer View Post
    Reminds me of Ayn Rand, another member of the tribe. It's kind of interesting how they set up two opposing ideologies (marxism/communism and plutocratic anarcho-capitalism/liberalism) which have in common that they're internationalist and that they effectively dismantle the traditional gentile societies.

    It seems to work very similar to fake democracies, where you only have two big parties to choose from, which basically do the same thing. During the cold war the minds of most people were conditioned in such a way, that they started to perceive the world in this binary fashion seeing everything just in terms of these two ideologies.
    Indeed. Bolshevism is an interesting thing though, because "the Communism in the East" was OPENLY Anti-European at the start, but then happened something which they didn't expect nor wanted, Stalin made it!

    Stalin was a mad and brutal guy, but he was NOT a puppet of the Plutocracy, nor the Jews!

    He had his own ideas and goals, which he tried to realise with determination.

    From that change, even though he failed completely on the longer run, the East became more independent from the Plutocratic Oligarchy in the City of London and New York than originally planned.

    Yet what we can see is that even the Soviet style Communism was still largely in the general Capitalist system, worked in a way like a huge corporation for the Financial Oligarchy in which the common people had no rights nor wealth, but worked all day long for many ressources and products being finally sold for nothing to the Plutocracy!

    It is interesting to note how Marxism has something like a "blind spot" if it is about Financial Capitalism, the character and creation of money!

    I wouldn't even go as far as saying Marx was just a conscious agent of the Plutocracy, but I would say that the Plutocracy in England knew very well why they supported Marxism and no other variant of Socialism!

    Because many other variants of Socialism, which developed at that time, might have been more nation-gentile friendly and probably even directed exactly against the Plutocracy and their mechanisms of power! Without distracting with all the negative ballast of the sick Marxist ideology.

    But again, you can say what you want, yet the Communist states were still more independent and free from the Plutocracy and that's the really eye opener:

    Cultural Marxism in the West was and is much more dangerous, unnatural and Anti-European than Communism in the East ever was for the existence of the European people and their biological and cultural survival!

    Compare with this thread about Cultural Marxism:
    http://forums.skadi.net/showthread.php?t=127191

    Especially in combination - what an absurdity - with "orthodox (Libertarian) Economics" = Neoliberalism.

    Since the Plutocracy was better off in the West obviously, they tried to keep the people down with some "presents", with a social policy and pseudo-moral.

    But only as long as Fascism, National Socialism and Communism were a real threat to their power, soon after the fall of the Iron Curtain, they began to dismantle all compromises they made with the people, to take away all the advertisments for their system and so, sooner or later, they want to bring down the people to their poor and helpless slave status by antagonistic propaganda with Anarchism for the rich (Libertarians) and Anarchism for the poor (Cultural Marxism).

    Both individualised, materialistic, corrupted and degenerated ideologies born out of the degeneration of Christian secular culture in the West, manipulated by certain elements which live among us.

    So the only good thing about Communism in Eastern Europe was that it virtually forced the Plutocracy in the West to act more social and allow just and reasonable measures of the state to prevent the worst excesses of Capitalism AT LEAST. But obviously, that time is over now...

    Now they see no real enemy, they just make up "fake enemies" with Muslims and Terrorism, just to pose a threat realistic enough for the common people to give up their freedoms and rights, to follow the corrupted "leaders" they bought and to be distracted from the real issues - among this real issues would be the fact, that without the Israeli policy and mass immigration of non-integrable foreigners, there would be no "Muslim problem" of the kind we have it now.

    So in the end, it all comes back to what they call "Liberal Democracy", but is in fact a Liberalcapitalist society which approaches the status of a Plutocratic Oligarchy in which the common people become the enslaved minions of the money aristocracy, which brought all people and whole states and nations in debt slavery!

    Like those poor students in Great Britain, early in their life, can't study any more or having to go deeply into debt - at best in their institutions and banks. Really a sinister game - even more so if you think about how corrupted scum-politicians talk about "the need to save" - a "cut budget", while still paying the banks for irresponsible fraud and paying the interest for their illegitimate fraud and selling public property and rights to the Plutocracy the same time!
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    Agrippa's posts on this topic are exceptional in explaining what type of nightmare we're trapped in, who dictates the trends, how the systems of enslavement and oppression works and who pays the ultimate price for it.

    A number of members here would do well to read, understand and learn from those posts if they were at all interested in protecting and defending their race, nation, culture and countries.

    Quote Originally Posted by Agrippa
    Indeed. Bolshevism is an interesting thing though, because "the Communism in the East" was OPENLY Anti-European at the start, but then happened something which they didn't expect nor wanted, Stalin made it!

    Stalin was a mad and brutal guy, but he was NOT a puppet of the Plutocracy, nor the Jews!

    He had his own ideas and goals, which he tried to realise with determination.

    From that change, even though he failed completely on the longer run, the East became more independent from the Plutocratic Oligarchy in the City of London and New York than originally planned.

    Yet what we can see is that even the Soviet style Communism was still largely in the general Capitalist system, worked in a way like a huge corporation for the Financial Oligarchy in which the common people had no rights nor wealth, but worked all day long for many ressources and products being finally sold for nothing to the Plutocracy!
    I'll expand on this a little bit. The original Bolshevik Revolution of 1917 which took control of Russia and subsequently other territories in the region to eventually form the Soviet Union was sponsored and bankrolled out of London and New York. I believe that elements in Germany were involved as well but I'm not 100% sure about this point as it's been a while since I last researched the subject.

    A number of Soviet / Marxist leaders including Lenin and Trotsky were cooling their heels in the United Kingdom before they seized their chance to grab power in Russia.

    Many casual observers mistakenly associate Communism / Bolshevism with being a "Russian" phenomenon and / or invention when in fact it was a mostly Jewish inspired, led and financed operation. Russia and Russians were "fortunate" enough to fall victim to this operation.

    Stalin started assuming control of the USSR from just before Lenin's death. The original belief amongst the Bolshevik / Zionist mafia was that Stalin was going to be a useful sockpuppet rubberstamping the authority of the real rulers (them). It turned out that they miscalculated and that Stalin / Soviet Communism developed differently to what was intended in the original masterplan.

    As Agrippa points out, the Soviet / Eastern European brand of Communism wasn't as destructive as the brand of Liberalism / Political Correctness and ZOG control over our societies and countries are today.

    We're entering a rather terminal phase in our existence and if we don't start pushing back the tide soon it will be too late and we'll become assimilated into a Multi-Kulti hell controlled by ZOG with them as the Landbarons / Nobility and us as the Serfs in the new virtual Feudal One World.

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