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    Absolutely agreed with Velvet.

    Additionally, we shouldn't forget why this happens - they want to privatise all fields of society, so that they can control the people through their debt based money in all spheres of life.

    That's an European and even worldwide plan and they are just doing it in Britain - like many times - among the first nations which were relatively more socially just and developed. Even though Britain was always more a Plutocratic and Capitalist society of course, they now try to ruin it completely and making it - finally and forever, a dumbed down, exploited and downbred colony of the Plutocracy.

    The people have to "save" for paying the interest for the debts they have at the banks, the same banks which will demand money when getting into trouble, the same banks buying up all corporations and goods, the mass media and politicians to control all of society in the name of the Plutocracy and their privileged menials.

    What happens now in Britain is a crime and if there wouldn't be any resistance to that, they will go even further anyway, attacking the workers and all common people with this asocial and Neoliberal policy, the British would be completely degenerated already - fortunately they aren't and still know - at least many of them, what's right and wrong.

    Authority needs to be legitimated and showing responsibility, if that's not the case, resistance is no right, but the duty of every honest and decent group member.

    This Plutocratic Oligarchy with its exploitative and manipulative Financial Capitalism is a huge fraud and crime only, to take away taxes, values and rights from the people to further increase the profits and power of this irresponsible to hostile, Anglo-Jewish Plutocracy is in no way defendable, nowhere.
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    Schooling is the one area I feel the government should provide for its people. Money should be taken out of welfare and given to schools. The reason is the investment pays off for the country. The person makes more money, pays higher taxes etc. The economy is improved. The alternative is a brain drain situation where the nation is not capable of meeting its basic needs or needs to import competent educated people.

    The main problem I have is every year tuition goes up. why? All I see is large sums of money being spent on sports team, expensive landscaping, high teacher salaries, etc. College textbooks cost about $150 a piece- someone is making a lot of money off of that. There are obviously a lot of parasites in the system. They need to go in there and clean house and clean out all the waste which would drop costs in half instead of costs doubling every couple years.

    School may only cost $10,000 a year at a subsidized state college but then the cost of living because one is not working is another $10,000 at least. A 4 year degree at these schools usually takes 5 years. So 20k a year times 5=
    $100,000.

    And the only way to get loans for such is again government subsidies. So the government neccessarily must be involved.

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    Student Riots

    From what I've heard, on average the private tuition bill runs at about $5000 per year per capita. The new Cameron Government, in its desire, to reduce the National debt and budget deficit (at the behest of the Crown) has earmarked budget line items for reduction. Education is one of them. In order to reduce the Debt load in the U.K., the Government has decided to increase tuition rates by a factor of 3X. This translates into a new annual private tuition bill of approximately $15000 a year. Quite an increase for the poor, working and middle class. The Peerage and Aristocracy can well afford it. And one wonders why students are pissed?

    The real qustion becomes, "Who else is going to get hammered too reduce the Deficit". In a Liberal Democracy, all classes would have to share equally in the Austerity Programs required to bring the Budget under control and return the U.K. to fiscal stability and health. But, due to the inherent Class structure in the U.K. (which is one of the prime reasons my forbears immigrated to N.A.), it will in all probablity fall on the poor, the working and middle classes. So much for the Commonwealth...
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    Quote Originally Posted by genius View Post
    Schooling is the one area I feel the government should provide for its people. Money should be taken out of welfare and given to schools.
    What's your problem with welfare?

    The reason is the investment pays off for the country.
    If people get criminal, undernourished, can't even afford a doctor or proper clothing, welfare not?

    You can't sit a hungry and completely impoverished person into a school class and espect everything else getting alright. There are more humane and modern Eugenic-medical and Euphenic-social programs to be activated.

    The person makes more money, pays higher taxes etc. The economy is improved.
    I know what you mean and you are not totally wrong, but still your phrasing is a huge problem.

    Because we don't need more money, we don't need higher taxes, what we need is real values. Money = NOT value!

    Money can be created out of thin air or gold declared to such, but your people are not money nor gold, your food is not money nor gold, neither is electricity, health care, science etc., etc.

    There is REAL ECONOMY and REAL VALUES and then there is money, which should be just a tool but became the ruler and sole standard for "value" in our degenerated Western society.

    If there is nothing of real value behind "more money", you just get inflation and nothing else...

    The alternative is a brain drain situation where the nation is not capable of meeting its basic needs or needs to import competent educated people.
    If a nation desperately NEEDS to import competent and educated people, there must be huge problem, because usually, those valuable elements should be "home grown"!

    The main problem I have is every year tuition goes up. why? All I see is large sums of money being spent on sports team, expensive landscaping, high teacher salaries, etc.
    That is not the real problem nor its cause. Landscaping? What's the problem with that, as long as it creates jobs and "a better landscape"

    Sports Teams? To motivate young people in participating in sports? Not that bad neither I'd say, as long as it being not totally commercialised and being just there to distract people from real issues!

    But then you must invest more rather than less into sports!

    High teacher salaries? You spoke about a brain drain, obviously the more intellectually valuable people of a country should get a good salary, being accepted as intellectual capacities, especially if doing something valuable for the group and teaching valuable things to the students.

    So no problem with that neither, as long as its not "out of proportions!"

    College textbooks cost about $150 a piece- someone is making a lot of money off of that.
    Good books are not made out of thin air like money with some digits in the bankers programs!

    They might be too expensive indeed, but is that really crucial?

    There are obviously a lot of parasites in the system.
    For sure! But working for a better life and profits in a fair way and with no intent to really harming other people and the group is fine.

    They need to go in there and clean house and clean out all the waste which would drop costs in half instead of costs doubling every couple years.
    Yes, but probably one of the reasons is inflations while the wages stay the same?

    School may only cost $10,000 a year at a subsidized state college but then the cost of living because one is not working is another $10,000 at least. A 4 year degree at these schools usually takes 5 years. So 20k a year times 5=
    $100,000.
    Such a sum of debt can ruin a life - not talking about who gets the damned interest rate, namely the corrupted banks with the fractional reserve system again! For the Plutocrats and their privileged menials getting richer, the common people poorer every month!

    And the only way to get loans for such is again government subsidies. So the government neccessarily must be involved.
    Unless people have to get into debt slavery from the start, best from birth! Inheriting the debt of the parents, being a debt slave the whole life, in a new but this times completely scrupulous and corrupted Feudal System of the Plutocratic Oligarchy!

    Quote Originally Posted by wittwer
    The real qustion becomes, "Who else is going to get hammered too reduce the Deficeit". In a Liberal Democracy, all classes would have to share equally in the Austerity Programs required to bring the Budget under control and return the U.K. to fiscal stability and health. But, due to the inherent Class structure in the U.K. (which is one of the prime reasons my forbears immigrated to N.A.), it will in all probablity fall on the poor, the working and middle classes. So much for the Commonwealth...
    The real question is why the state has to borrow money for interest from private banks and financial institutions, which themselves create it out of thin air in the fractional reserve system, to begin with!

    Look at the FED-System and the history of the Bank of England and you see the true enemies of the people and mankind!
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    Quote Originally Posted by Godwinson
    and inventing silly, non-academic courses that don't lead to any jobs afterwards is nothing short of a con!!
    "Genocide and Holocaust studies" springs to mind.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bernhard View Post
    "Genocide and Holocaust studies" springs to mind.
    Jobs afterwards is not the only meaningful evaluation, but obviously, the social, cultural, overall memetic consequences of studies and their ideological tendencies must be considered, like in the case of Cultural and Gender studies which have a clearly Cultural Marxist background or certain economic fields which are clearly influenced by Libertarian-orthodox economy for the Plutocrat's pleasure...

    But obviously, such studies exist even where people have to pay for it, so it isn't really an issue here - only if it is about Cultural Marxist and Liberal/Libertarian influences and the Plutocratic manipulation.

    Because whether the state or private people pay for it, certain dominant elements in society which substituted our own and caring spiritual Oligarchy with foreign and corrupted elements determine which "truth" will be taught.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Godwinson View Post
    You cannot have 90% of the population with degrees or they will become totally worthless and inventing silly, non-academic courses that don't lead to any jobs afterwards is nothing short of a con!! Instead of being an investment in peoples' future as it once was, higher education has now become a profit-making industry and yet another sector in which successive governments have completely messed up
    This can not be emphasized enough. I would rather see the standards for higher education raised at least academically to reduce the number of degrees. If only the best were to attend these Universities I would even be in support of state aid. At present this is not the case, and we end up with an over abundance of mediocre degree holders, who are all presently standing with their hand out.

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    Quote Originally Posted by D. H. Yeager View Post
    "I think most people understand we have to take these steps, we have to get Britain out of the danger zone." - U.K. Prime Minister David Cameron regarding the cuts in government aid for tuition.

    Any country that continues to accumalate debt will become insolvent. That is what happened to Greece. England like many countries around the world and in the E.U. have to make economically conservative decisions (cut spending, reduce government, and lower the deficit) or the country will collapse.

    In the E.U.'s case, the I.M.F. along with other slush funds are running out of money. When Portugal goes under, and especially if Spain follows suit, there will soon be no safety net for fiscally irresponsible countries in the E.U. Economically strong countries, like Germany, who are growing tired of carrying the dead weight in the E.U. may decide to leave the union which would have an equal if not more damaging effect on the E.U. than if Spain went under. Only economically sound countries will survive.

    The people who do not understand this are the young students that have grown up with the expectation that the government will provide them with a multitude of benefits and like the protesters in Greece, they do not care about the repercussions. The welfare state will collapse or be replaced by sound economic policies. The U.K. has chosen sound economics.
    I understand with what your saying there which I agree but we must not make higher education too costly where some people are blocked from being able to educate themselves in pursuing a career either.

    There has to be a balance somewhere especially for poor people who cannot pay out of pocket.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Godwinson View Post
    I'm afraid we have the unsustainable situation here where about 90% of youngsters today are being herded into Universities (and paying heavily for the privilege!) in order to keep down the youth employment figures, which would explode if they were in the jobs market - especially now they've raised the retirement age!

    You cannot have 90% of the population with degrees or they will become totally worthless and inventing silly, non-academic courses that don't lead to any jobs afterwards is nothing short of a con!! Instead of being an investment in peoples' future as it once was, higher education has now become a profit-making industry and yet another sector in which successive governments have completely messed up
    What's interesting in today's society is that we are all told that unless we pursue higher education we will live totally worthless lives as poor down trodden slaves which often is the case for those who have yet been able to go to college or a trade school.

    You are right in your description of things in the entirety of your post of which I fully agree.

    People my age everywhere in the western world are herded into universities or trade schools with the clear message that we will not live successful and happy lives unless we spend a huge chunk of our existence pursuing technical and specialist careers.

    [Thus fulfilling the role of the hostage. Do this or else.]

    [This is why you will see people my age of which includes myself carrying large back packs of books wherever they go because we are so busy trying to spoon fed ourselves with information and knowledge just to keep pace with the market that demands as such where one has to be a ametur mathmatician anymore just to get ahead in life.]

    I wonder what would happen if 90% of the population had a specialist or technical degree of some sort. There wouldn't be anybody left to do the general low income slave jobs if everybody was educated.

    [Of course free market internationalist economists always solve that problem with more global immigration in the acquisition of more cheap labor in order to keep a specific number within the workforce.]

    What's interesting in the United States now is that the economy is so terrible that even those who have degrees upon completion of college and a trade school still can't even find work where I know many with medical or business management degrees who are still working at a restaurant competing in the job market with those who haven't even gone to school at all.

    This whole world is a circus.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Godwinson View Post
    Any thoughts about these?

    Obviously, their battle with the cops makes great TV viewing but I really can't make up my mind where I stand on the whole issue
    The students (and the country as a whole) are being shafted by the corrupt scum from Westminster so the student anger is understandable. One could question some of the methods but a little low-key rioting is kindergarten stuff compared to the sins of those who just pulled the plug on their future.

    The excuse that "there's no money" is a lie. Plod drive around in BMW's. All kinds of military adventures around the world are being engaged in. Bankers keep getting more bonuses, paid out of Public Money.

    There is money. It's just that the powers that be would rather siphon it off for their pet projects and themselves.

    What really irks me is how the politicians and Universities are pimping out places to foreign students @ mega-rates in order to make a killing whilst shafting our local students out of available slots. It's grossly unfair.

    Otoh I do believe that there are too many worthless Uni courses on offer and they need to cull the curriculum.

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