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    Student Riots In London

    Any thoughts about these?

    Obviously, their battle with the cops makes great TV viewing but I really can't make up my mind where I stand on the whole issue

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    Here in America the government pays half of our college costs if we stay in the same state we graduated high school in. I'm going to graduate with about 20k in debt. If the government didn't pay I'd graduate with 40-45k debt. So I'll have it paid off in one year of working at 45-50k a year. If the government didn't pay I'd have it paid off in 2 years of working. Big deal.

    In our lifetime we will make over a million dollars so we have plenty of time to pay it back. It doesn't really matter if we graduate with 20k or 45k of debt in the long run.

    So I don't care about the college costs or protests. I think they're selfish kids. It just shows how ridiculous the entitlement mentality is with kids these days. I blame them for being financially stupid liberals.

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    In some of the German federal states we pay around 500 to 700 € per semester, in the rest like 100-200 € or nothing at all. That's it, actually, rest's payed by the state.


    I don't really know much about the English system, maybe someone could elaborate a bit on it?
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    "I think most people understand we have to take these steps, we have to get Britain out of the danger zone." - U.K. Prime Minister David Cameron regarding the cuts in government aid for tuition.

    Any country that continues to accumalate debt will become insolvent. That is what happened to Greece. England like many countries around the world and in the E.U. have to make economically conservative decisions (cut spending, reduce government, and lower the deficit) or the country will collapse.

    In the E.U.'s case, the I.M.F. along with other slush funds are running out of money. When Portugal goes under, and especially if Spain follows suit, there will soon be no safety net for fiscally irresponsible countries in the E.U. Economically strong countries, like Germany, who are growing tired of carrying the dead weight in the E.U. may decide to leave the union which would have an equal if not more damaging effect on the E.U. than if Spain went under. Only economically sound countries will survive.

    The people who do not understand this are the young students that have grown up with the expectation that the government will provide them with a multitude of benefits and like the protesters in Greece, they do not care about the repercussions. The welfare state will collapse or be replaced by sound economic policies. The U.K. has chosen sound economics.

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    In half of the German federal states we pay around 500 to 700 € per semester, in the other half nothing at all. That's it, actually, rest's payed by the state.
    So in other words, kids don't really worry about the cost and so they go to school an extra year, costing the tax payer 25% more money. Then teachers buy the most expensive equipment and the newest edition books every year because the government pays for it so who really cares (with its infinite money pockets). Then the University needs more money upgrading buildings with things like a very modern art metal blob 30 feet tall infront of the art center. Summer means it's time to give massive fully paid vacations to anybody who works at the university doing very difficult work like custodians and window cleaners. Then before you know it the tax rate is 40 something percent and the government owns half of everybodys money.

    LOL I'm being overly dramatic. There are always benefits and costs to every decision that I don’t think most people think of. If you have good incentives to protect against unnecessary overconsumption then it should work out for you guys. But in the end who really cares because the costs can be paid in a year or two without much government help- usually. (unless you were out of your mind and went to a private school).

    I'm much more concerned about the tax rate after college on my money that I actually earn.

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    I think education is very important, because we need our technological edge to sustain our exports and to compete with other nations in the information age. And we need our exports, because we don't have a lot of natural resources and have to import them. Military strength these days is also highly dependent on the technological level of the weapon systems. That's why I think it should be made as easy as possible for our own youth to study. Money can be saved elsewhere.

    But I think foreign students shouldn't be permitted or at least should have to pay a lot more - it's a ridiculous form of development aid. Chinese students come to our universities, then they go back to China and use that knowledge to reverse engineer our cars and other products thus helping to further diminish our exports as we can't compete with cheap chinese labor. The chinese military catching up technologically cannot be that good either, as they already have overwhelming manpower.

    Does someone know who the main benefitor of this unrest will be? Do many of these students now turn to leftist parties or can the BNP also benefit from their discontent? What is the stance of the BNP concerning this issue?

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    It's just a bunch of unwashed wiggers having fun rioting. The attack on Prince Charles car is a good show of how close we are to total decline.

    To think that in the good ol days, you'd get public execution or worse for even insulting the monarchy, nevermind attacking them.

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    IMO, foreign aid should be slashed by roughly 100%, and university education should be free for all English people. The riots are justified. £9000 per year is beyond ridiculous. Money could be saved a million other ways. Paying politicians minimum wage should be the first one. Not spending any money in helping inferior races should be the second. There, I've found some ways to free up some cash so students won't be in debt for their entire lives.

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    I'm afraid we have the unsustainable situation here where about 90% of youngsters today are being herded into Universities (and paying heavily for the privilege!) in order to keep down the youth employment figures, which would explode if they were in the jobs market - especially now they've raised the retirement age!

    You cannot have 90% of the population with degrees or they will become totally worthless and inventing silly, non-academic courses that don't lead to any jobs afterwards is nothing short of a con!! Instead of being an investment in peoples' future as it once was, higher education has now become a profit-making industry and yet another sector in which successive governments have completely messed up

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    Education is an investment into the future of a nation and the people as a whole, because the future generations are the ones who're supposed to keep up the standard.

    The general problem: the recent generations of academics dont breed, they have no kids, but they are the ones who could effort paying for their kids to study. But they have none, so it is the 'lower' classes kids that have to provide the future of the nation.

    And this is not about that they want financial support, but that they have to pay ridiculous fees to be allowed to study.

    The mechanisms at work is that Europe doesnt have a future, the oligarchs have no interest to properly educate future generations. Their interest is a slave population. We can see this at work for decades already, when budgets are cut, it always cuts culture, education and infrastructure, instead of cutting ridiculous sums for f.e. the wedding 'security' procedure for the traitor prince that counts in (estimated) into 25mio pounds that the tax payer has to pay, from the billions wasted in foreign wars or development support for third world countries, from the billions wasted on partly illegal immigrants (estimate: 1.1mio/immigrant) who then have nothing better to do than to rally for their 'right' to break British laws or to hate-preach their retarded religion I wont even start.

    The prize for this nonsense is paid by the youth generations, who in turn have less and less opportunities to take their lives into their own hands and 'become something/one'. They have every right to rally for their rights - for their future - as well.

    I always look with a little envy to France. When their government attempts to fuck them over, they go on the streets and demonstrate, and when that doesnt help, they put the entire French economy to rest. Usually takes less than a week to make the government rethink their plans. They have fuckn balls, while we cower down on the notion that every protest costs jobs and the poor global players who earn more a day than some countries have as budgets for a year would have losses and all that BS. I congrat the British students that they found their line where to say stop to that blackmail nonsense.

    What Heinrich said, education, knowledge and specialists are our most important resource. When we're not willing to invest into that, we shouldnt be too surprised when we soon really NEED experts from elsewhere in the world, because our education system has been 'saved to death'.

    In Germany this is already accomplished btw. There are almost no diploma study fields left, most is downgraded to Master or Bachelor (which is not yet according to the Bologna system, but a very much dumped down version of that study path right now), indeed Germany does 'need' experts from elsewhere meanwhile (f.e. computer science and many others). Germany saves for decades on teachers, our classes (in school) easily pass beyond 30 pupils, and teachers going there with idealism to teach the next generations some knowledge learn very soon that this isnt possible anymore, and many of them end with a burn out syndrome soon enough. Schools have for long degenerated to put-away-institutions where overstrained teachers try to keep a horde of pupils under control, of whom only half understand German anyway.

    And this future generation is supposed to keep our civilisation, our living standard, our nations up and running? How the Hel are they supposed to do so? Those few who are willing to learn have to fight for each little bit of information, against other pupils, against overstrained teachers, against the very fuckn system that throws them spokes in their wheels at every step. When they manage it through school, they already have taken enough shit for their burn out syndrome as well.

    And now they're even expected to pay crazy sums for an ever more dumbed down 'education' that doesnt even teach them the necessary skills for their chosen path anymore, in order not to let behind the uneducatable immigrants? Right of the students to say stop there! I hope the rest of European students will fall in line as well.
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