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Thread: Is It True That Racial Mixing Even Hapened During the Pagan Ages?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Æmeric View Post
    What was the population of Roman Britain, 1 million, 2 million? There were Syrian, Thracian, Sarmatians etc.... troops in Britain, but just what was their genetic impact?
    I'd also add to my reply that darker features in Wales inversely correlate with Thracian settlement, which doesn't mean that the Thracians were fair, although they may have been, but rather that older ancestry played the only significant role in the appearance of Britons (i.e. Welsh), much less the Germanic arrivals. The HG21 marker is much more prevalent in North Wales, yet the people look like this:

    Aled Jones:


    While HG21 is much more scarce in South Wales, yet the people tend to look more like this:

    Kelly Jones:


    The reason is Silurian ancestry in the South Welsh, and isn't related to anything the Romans brought over.

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    Our current cultures are or were attempting to break down our cultural views on race mixing. Different cultures have different levels of race mixing, some being nearly non-existent based on the cultural stigma based on race mixing.

    Some cultures embraced racial mixing while other societies viewed it as a lack of virtue. Most Germanic groups were very proud and believed in racial preservation. In our modern times, they are trying to change that traditional marrying within your ethnic group to one of experimenting and mixing with other ethnic groups.

    I know that my ethnic group the Frisians did not marry inter-ethnically until post world war 2 era. My great grand fathers emigrated to the USA, then after making their settlements returned to their Frisian people and brought back Frisian wives instead of intermarrying with the native population, or other emigrants of non frisian ancestry.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Æmeric View Post
    What was the population of Roman Britain, 1 million, 2 million? There were Syrian, Thracian, Sarmatians etc.... troops in Britain, but just what was their genetic impact?
    I discovered this a while back, that the town of Abergele (North Wales) had a high incidence of E3b (most commonly found in the Balkans).


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    Reagarding Britain I would like to tell that dark haired shorter Atlanto-Medittearneans were present in Britain since Mesoloithic times before the invasion of Roman army and still has strong effect in Wales and some parts of England.

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    The german tribes had relationships to the pencheng, the proto-bulgars, the awars, the scythians, the alans and so on, and so on...

    so of course the there was interculturel mixing. when i remeber right there is a story of an irish king married to a dark Princess from persian origin... but i have to verify this first.

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    The Frisians are amazing! Hopefully no more Doutzens to hurt them
    I thought some Celts picked up a Dinaric influence on their journey to the British Isles as they travelled through the Iberian Peninsula and intermixed with the autochthonous people there.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Chamiz View Post
    The german tribes had relationships to the pencheng, the proto-bulgars, the awars, the scythians, the alans and so on, and so on...

    so of course the there was interculturel mixing. when i remeber right there is a story of an irish king married to a dark Princess from persian origin... but i have to verify this first.
    Most of the wandereing germanic tribes like Vandals,Visigoths,Ostogoths indeed had racialmixing with others since they were living an area where racial others were majority.But I do not know about other non-wandering Germanic tribes

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    Probably why the Goths disappeared

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    Read Steven Ozment's book on German history,etc.

    This is just one book of many that explain how there was so much movement in Germania from AD 300 on that many tribes were eventually mixed. There was slavery of course, with enemies being captured and reduced to slavery, sometimes even their families became enslaved. But the Germanic tribes usually treated them well. Then later, the Vikings traded slaves along with other treasures captured in raids. So from my understanding, there has been a lengthy history of both slavery, movement of tribes and integration of these groups. Even the Romans and some Germanic chiefs who were educated in Rome, were racially mixed. It all boiled down to attraction and advancement in status, basically.

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    In my own family, there was lots of mixing, so yes, there was mixing.

    My view is that many of these tribes preferred out-marrying (for all kinds of reasons) and that in the case of Gaels or Celts or Gauls who acquired princesses from afar, that was something of a status symbol, a testimony to the reaches of the rulers and their diplomats and warmakers.

    There's a Pan-European heritage that's as documentable anything one would call "Germanic." I doubt the Gaels, Celts and Welsh wish to be called Germanic - and there's no particular reason to (although people vary in word usage all the time).

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