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    Quote Originally Posted by Soten View Post
    There's a site somewhere which lists all the troops and their origins in Brittania.
    Could you find it for us? It'd be really interesting. I'm not really concerned about any soldiers brought to Britain by the Romans, since non-Europid Y chromosomal markers are very, very rare here. In fact, of the tens of thousands of male lineages that've been tested, I'm only aware of one non-Europid marker being discovered. In all European ethnicities, as far as I know, non-Europid maternal lineages are more common, although whether that has anything to do with the Romans I couldn't say.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Hamar Fox View Post
    Could you find it for us? It'd be really interesting. I'm not really concerned about any soldiers brought to Britain by the Romans, since non-Europid Y chromosomal markers are very, very rare here. In fact, of the tens of thousands of male lineages that've been tested, I'm only aware of one non-Europid marker being discovered. In all European ethnicities, as far as I know, non-Europid maternal lineages are more common, although whether that has anything to do with the Romans I couldn't say.
    I will find it eventually and post it here.

    At the moment I am struggling to finish a huge philosophy paper...the last one before I get my degree. For a couple hours there I almost decided to give up, but I've gotten a second wind and I'm hoping I can somehow manage to write the thing quickly.

    I'll find the site eventually.

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    "If the natural tendencies of mankind are so bad that it is not safe to permit people to be free, how is it that the tendencies of these organizers are always good? Do not the legislators and their appointed agents also belong to the human race? Or do they believe that they themselves are made of a finer clay than the rest of mankind?" - Frédéric Bastiat, The Law

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    Germanics mixed up where opportunies were present - as a rule of thumb.

    That doesn't mean however, that they didn't protect their wives - there is a huge difference between making foreign women pregnant, spreading genes one the one hand and giving away the own females on the other - nor that those mixed offsprings were always considered equal.

    The whole issue is more complicated, even more so over time and between different groups with different standards, but generally, obviously they acted like most humans did so far and didn't left out a chance for a cheap reproduction...
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    Quote Originally Posted by Soten View Post

    The Limes Germanicus (Germanic Frontier):

    Essentially, the Romans controlled Switzerland, Southwestern Germany (the Rhineland) and up into the Netherlands.The Romans founded many cities and towns in this area (Xanten, Trier, Augsburg, Cologne, Speyer, Bonn, Mainz, etc.) most of which grew up around the military encampments, which is to say that the soldiers probably stuck around and some must have had families with local women.
    For Southwestern Germany at least, the pre-Roman population wasn't predominantly Germanic anyway, it was sparsely settled by Celtic people and some minor presumably Germanic tribes.
    Most of the population from the time of the Roman occupation was either killed off or evacuated to Gallia when the Germanic tribes got there.
    This is certainly the case for the population around the military stations, where logically most of the mixing should have occured.
    Partly, this is also true for the other Roman provinces in Germania.


    Quote Originally Posted by Hamar Fox View Post
    Could you find it for us? It'd be really interesting. I'm not really concerned about any soldiers brought to Britain by the Romans, since non-Europid Y chromosomal markers are very, very rare here. In fact, of the tens of thousands of male lineages that've been tested, I'm only aware of one non-Europid marker being discovered. In all European ethnicities, as far as I know, non-Europid maternal lineages are more common, although whether that has anything to do with the Romans I couldn't say.
    I don't know if he was talking about those links but still:
    http://www.roman-britain.org/militar...irregulars.htm
    http://www.roman-britain.org/militar...h_cohortes.htm
    http://www.roman-britain.org/militar...sh_legions.htm

    Their place of origin is not mentioned in modern terms and it's not always obvious were they were from. The lion's share of Auxiliaries was certainly from Gaul and Germania (especially Batavia and Frisia), some from the Balkan and a few exotic from places like Syria or the like.

    Bear in mind, there wasn't a constant flow of foreigners from the place of origin of those units, but when units lost soldiers be it through battle or retirement they picked up local men. So soon enough only the name of those units was reminiscent of their former origin.

    The Legions were mostly of Gaulish, Spanish and Germanic origin.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Juthunge View Post
    For Southwestern Germany at least, the pre-Roman population wasn't predominantly Germanic anyway, it was sparsely settled by Celtic people and some minor presumably Germanic tribes. Most of the population from the time of the Roman occupation was either killed off or evacuated to Gallia when the Germanic tribes got there. This is certainly the case for the population around the military stations, where logically most of the mixing should have occured.
    Partly, this is also true for the other Roman provinces in Germania.
    It doesn't make any sense to say that the native population was killed or driven off completely when the other German tribes showed up. Why do you believe this?

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    I haven't been able to talk to the one person (member of another forum) who I know would know where this one site is that lists all the Roman troops in Brittania and their origins.

    Here's one from Bosnia: http://www.roman-britain.org/military/coh4bre.htm

    Yugoslav troops: hthttp://www.roman-britain.org/milit...h1del.htmtp://

    http://www.roman-britain.org/military/coh2del.htm

    http://www.roman-britain.org/military/coh4del.htm

    Aha! "Hamian tribesmen of Syria": http://www.roman-britain.org/military/coh1ham.htm

    Also a number of Sarmatian and Thracian units...

    One unit called "Numerus barcariorum Tigrisiensium - The Company of Tigris Bargemen

    Anyway, that'll do for now. I'll see if I can find the better site then.

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    A little more detail on those Hamians:

    http://www.romanarmy.net/hamians.htm

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    Quote Originally Posted by Soten View Post
    It doesn't make any sense to say that the native population was killed or driven off completely when the other German tribes showed up. Why do you believe this?
    They weren't driven off, they were evacuated by the Romans when they abandoned the Agri Decumates and much of their other Germanic provinces on the right side of the Rhine around the year 300. They weren't surprised by some major Germanic attack, which probably never happened on a large scale there. I said most by the way, not completely.
    As for the killings, it's known through archaeological findings.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Soten View Post
    A little more detail on those Hamians:

    http://www.romanarmy.net/hamians.htm
    Upon their arrival in around 120AD they became the start of an extraordinary blossoming of Middle Eastern culture in Britain. Egyptian temples, Syrian merchants, Arab sailors - all contributed to transforming Britain for the very first time into a cosmopolitan multi-cultural society.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Hamar Fox View Post
    Upon their arrival in around 120AD they became the start of an extraordinary blossoming of Middle Eastern culture in Britain. Egyptian temples, Syrian merchants, Arab sailors - all contributed to transforming Britain for the very first time into a cosmopolitan multi-cultural society.

    Yeah, I know that parts crap, but the rest shows more specific specific evidence of their time in Britain. Altars to Syrian gods, inscriptions, etc.

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