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    Free Market Capitalism Incompatible With Nationalism

    Capitalism And White Racial Decline

    Editor’s Note: The following discussion of Michael O’Meara’s recent review of William Lind and Paul Weyrich’s The Next Conservatism is from the Occidental Dissent blog. It is so good, I have decided to steal it.

    At The Occidental Quarterly, Michael O’Meara is saying a lot that I happen to agree with about America’s racial decline. It wasn’t a function of a small cabal of Jewish cultural Marxists associated with the Frankfurt School. The triumph of political correctness in the 1980s happened long after the Civil Rights Movement had realized its primary goals. The worship of “diversity” as a fundamental American value was unheard of before Judge Powell’s opinion in the Bakke case. Multiculturalism first emerged on the scene in the 1970s. Chalking up our racial demise to “diversity snobbery” is putting the cart before the horse.

    Capitalism has always been one of the primary drivers of race replacement. In the seventeenth and eighteenth centuries, the internal logic of international markets (the profit motive) resulted in the dumping of hordes of negroes on America’s shores. The settlement of the West Indies was even more driven by these concerns. In the mid-nineteenth century, demand for cheap labor in the sparsely populated American West brought the first waves of Chinese immigrants to the United States. This experience was repeated with the Japanese in Hawaii (working on sugar plantations), Mexicans in the Southwest (who first came to work on the railroads), and the Great Migration of blacks to Northern cities (who came to work in wartime industries). The Immigration Act of 1924 specifically exempted Mexicans in order to appease Southwestern business interests.

    The Germans, the Irish, the Italians, the Scandinavians, the Slavs, and the Jews all came in waves and settled throughout the American North. Most left their homelands for economic reasons. Many were attracted by the wages being offered by Northern industries at the time. Then as now, big business lobbied Congress for loose immigration laws. The indigenous Yankees soon dwindled to a minority throughout most of the Northeast. It was the push and pull of America’s capitalist economy that drove these demographic changes, not a vast Jewish conspiracy.

    The fate of New England is now happening on a nationwide scale. The U.S. Chamber of Commerce, Business Roundtable, and the Wall Street Journal are naturally the biggest boosters of open borders. The same fundamental forces are at work that have always been operative throughout American history. The only difference is that they are now met with less resistance than before.

    Capitalism has eroded white racial consciousness in other insidious ways. During the Cold War, Americanism came to be identified with anti-communism. In order to score points for capitalism in the Third World, rightwing anti-communists like Dean Acheson adopted anti-racist rhetoric and began pushing for desegregation in the Jim Crow South. The most obvious example of this would be the Eisenhower administration’s response to the crisis in Little Rock with the Civil Rights Act of 1957. America’s elite ultimately cared more about the wealth and privilege they enjoyed under capitalism than the racial values inherited from their ancestors. And so, Truman and his postwar successors would go on to give their seal of legitimacy to Martin Luther King and his fellow radicals.

    As the capitalist system evolved in the twentieth century, it became necessary to dispense with traditional values like thrift and prudence in order to sustain economic growth. The advertising industry began to take shape after the First World War. Americans were molded by its propaganda into thinking of themselves as consumers. An ethos of expressive individualism was encouraged that ultimately became severely corrosive of white ethnocentrism. It triumphed in the counterculture and eventually went on to dominate the cultural mainstream.

    Suburbanization has allowed millions of Whites to avoid the costs of integration. Suburban living enables better off Whites to sing the praises of diversity while pushing it off on their poorer neighbors. White flight has acted for years as a release valve of racial tension. Why make a fuss about the status quo when you can simply pack up your bags and move off to another city or state?

    As I said in a recent thread, the liberal democratic capitalist system is the meta cause of white racial decline. It chewed up Norman Rockwell’s America and spit out Barack Obama’s.
    http://www.toqonline.com/blog/capita...acial-decline/

    In a economical system like capitalism that needs to forever expand in constant expansion globalism was inevitable with free market capitalism along with global immigration that supplies it's cheap labor for businesses and industries in it's forever quest of searching out profit and to control the flow of capital.

    What every nationalist opposes is a direct result of free market capitalism like the outsourcing of jobs and industries to other countries along with the high influx of immigration into our nations that feeds a need for cheaper labor somthing of which free market capitalists support.

    A nationalist economy is usually one that is more protectionist based somthing of which is the direct opposite of free market capitalism.

    Free market capitalism is generally globalist in ideology and internationalistic in it's approach which is just another reason a nationalist needs to reject it.

    Therefore my conclusion is simple.

    Free market capitalism is incompatible with nationalism and therefore it is every nationalist's duty to reject free market capitalism.
    National Socialism is the only salvation for Germanics and Europids everywhere. Capitalism, libertarianism, and communism is the enemy.

    National socialized collectivism must prevail over radical individualism.

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    What you have posted is not a description of free market capitalism. Capitalism has always existed and always will it is not a what leftist describe it to be as they are twisting what it really is as a propaganda tool.

    Capitalism was not invented it was only named it occurs in nature and that can be proven. Even the most strict and totalitarian form of government has to have capitalism to exist same as the most free form of government.

    Really to buy into this that you can't have capitalism and nationalism is totally false as and is leftist propaganga.
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    Quote Originally Posted by AlaricLachlan View Post
    http://www.toqonline.com/blog/capita...acial-decline/

    In a economical system like capitalism that needs to forever expand in constant expansion globalism was inevitable with free market capitalism along with global immigration that supplies it's cheap labor for businesses and industries in it's forever quest of searching out profit and to control the flow of capital.

    What every nationalist opposes is a direct result of free market capitalism like the outsourcing of jobs and industries to other countries along with the high influx of immigration into our nations that feeds a need for cheaper labor somthing of which free market capitalists support.

    A nationalist economy is usually one that is more protectionist based somthing of which is the direct opposite of free market capitalism.

    Free market capitalism is generally globalist in ideology and internationalistic in it's approach which is just another reason as a nationalist to reject it.

    Therefore my conclusion is simple.

    Free market capitalism is incompatible with nationalism and therefore it is every nationalist's duty to reject free market capitalism.
    You act as if people couldn't choose to buy or not buy from someone or a business they don't agree with? That's the beauty of capitalism, I can refrain from partaking in something, I can refuse to buy from someone or sell to someone. Central planning always ends up backfiring. If people want to trade abroad (which can increase wealth) than so be it. Then again, when you bring racial nationalism into capitalism I'm not sure what you want. Can only whites trade with other whites globally, or is there something I'm not getting? Can we not trade outside the country, or is the government restricting what sort of sale takes place (as if they don't already)?
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    Quote Originally Posted by SpearBrave View Post
    What you have posted is not a description of free market capitalism. Capitalism has always existed and always will it is not a what leftist describe it to be as they are twisting what it really is as a propaganda tool.

    Capitalism was not invented it was only named it occurs in nature and that can be proven. Even the most strict and totalitarian form of government has to have capitalism to exist same as the most free form of government.

    Really to buy into this that you can't have capitalism and nationalism is totally false as and is leftist propaganga.

    What you have posted is not a description of free market capitalism.
    Yes it is. It's been a practice of free market capitalism the last hundred years.

    Capitalism has always existed
    No it hasn't.

    Capitalism was created by Adam Smith and has only existed since his book "The Wealth Of Nations" was created that gave rise to capitalist based economical systems.

    and always will it is not a what leftist describe it to be as they are twisting what it really is as a propaganda tool.
    Oh really?

    Or maybe you are twisting political leftist views to support your free market capitalist ideologies as a propaganda tool piece...........

    Capitalism was not invented it was only named it occurs in nature and that can be proven.
    Where are capitalist economical systems found amongst nature beyond human beings?

    This I got to hear......




    Even the most strict and totalitarian form of government has to have capitalism to exist same as the most free form of government.
    I don't understand this statement.

    Can you articulate a bit more?

    Quote Originally Posted by Paradigm View Post
    You act as if people couldn't choose to buy or not buy from someone or a business they don't agree with? That's the beauty of capitalism, I can refrain from partaking in something, I can refuse to buy from someone or sell to someone. Central planning always ends up backfiring. If people want to trade abroad (which can increase wealth) than so be it. Then again, when you bring racial nationalism into capitalism I'm not sure what you want. Can only whites trade with other whites globally, or is there something I'm not getting? Can we not trade outside the country, or is the government restricting what sort of sale takes place (as if they don't already)?
    You act as if people couldn't choose to buy or not buy from someone or a business they don't agree with?
    What happens when all the stores you have to choose from are merely large corporate mega stores because a whole line of small businesses have been squeezed out of existence?

    That's the beauty of capitalism, I can refrain from partaking in something,
    Not really as my previous example suggested above this quote.

    If people want to trade abroad (which can increase wealth) than so be it. Then again, when you bring racial nationalism into capitalism I'm not sure what you want. Can only whites trade with other whites globally, or is there something I'm not getting? Can we not trade outside the country, or is the government restricting what sort of sale takes place (as if they don't already)?
    The goal of free market capitalism is non stop expansion which inevitably leads to globalism and internationalism somthing of which is the epitome of being against nationalist goals.

    There is nothing compatible between nationalism and free market capitalism.

    [In my opinion only a protectionist models of economics would safe guard nationalism somthing of which free market capitalism is against.]
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    Quote Originally Posted by AlaricLachlan View Post
    What happens when all the stores you have to choose from are merely large corporate mega stores because a whole line of small businesses have been squeezed out of existence?
    So now I'm battling strawman arguments? Who said only large corporate mega stores exist? When you mean store do you actually mean a seller/distributor (Wal-Mart, Target, Harris Teeter, Amazon, etc) or an actual producer? A lot of the things I own I get from a variety of stores from a huge variety of producers. Again, how all of the sudden when it's free-market small businesses become obsolete? Nothing to back your case.

    Quote Originally Posted by AlaricLachlan View Post
    Not really as my previous example suggested above this quote.
    So I can't refrain from purchasing a good from one specific store?

    Quote Originally Posted by AlaricLachlan View Post
    The goal of free market capitalism is non stop expansion which inevitably leads to globalism and internationalism something of which is the epitome of being against nationalist goals.

    There is nothing compatible between nationalism and free market capitalism.
    The only goal free-market capitalism has is freedom of choice and trade between individuals. There is no secret or esoteric agenda, there is no conspiracy plot, there is no scheme. It's simple economics. Individuals trading. I highly doubt small business owners have non stop global expansion on their minds. I don't think Toys R Us or Black Label skateboards or even the publisher for Kurt Vonnegut books wants to dominate the world in some globalist plot.

    The laws of economics in one part of the world or country still apply to another. The same laws affected the Soviet Union as did the United States. If you take one country and erect a protective wall around them, economics goes on as usual, except now you just blocked all the individuals in that country from trading with people outside that country, and those on the outside can't get to the inside. Restrictive barriers that don't do anyone any good. If someone doesn't want art made from India they don't have to buy it. If someone doesn't want a car made from Sweden they don't have to buy it (I'm not sure what kind of racialist theories you are trying to pull, can I still drive my Volvo even though I'm not Swedish, and if I'm correct my Swedish made Volvo also has German made parts, can some Anglo-American purchase a Scandinavian made car? Will my Swedish car refuse American made coolant?).

    Quote Originally Posted by AlaricLachlan View Post
    Capitalism was created by Adam Smith and has only existed since his book "The Wealth Of Nations" was created that gave rise to capitalist based economical systems.
    LOL. Yes, before Adam Smith people lived in a non-capitalist utopia where roasted birds flew into our mouths and by the work of magic all our goods came to being without modern methods of production. Once Adam Smith created, patented, and copyrighted capitalism all our past hopes and dreams went out the window. Blast!

    On a serious note Smith and Ricardo refuted mercantilism in place of a market economy, they didn't "create" anything (seriously, are you serious?). The marginal revolution came along and people like Carl Menger and his work Principles of Economics furthered the market economy. Smith believed in the labor theory of value, that value in a good is objective due to the work put in. Menger put forth that value is subjective to the individuals, and the value is =/= to the labor put into the good. Smith looked at economics from the perception of the producer, not the consumer. This was a flaw in his theory, but must be applauded in refuting mercantilism. Economic science was still developing at this point in time.

    Trade among individuals existed thousands of years before Adam Smith. People traded gold and other highly valued objects all the time. Can you explain how someone would acquire goods before Adam Smith? How would a blacksmith receive payment for the goods he produced, or how would the farmer receive payment for his crops? A transaction was made between two individuals. That transaction involved both individuals trading goods they feel were less valuable than what they were receiving, so they both had a benefit. Economics 101 (or even less, this is pretty common sense).
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    Quote Originally Posted by AlaricLachlan View Post
    Yes it is. It's been a practice of free market capitalism the last hundred years.
    Sorry but free markets and capitalism is much old than the last hundred years, that is too easy to prove in even in ancient times.


    No it hasn't.

    Capitalism was created by Adam Smith and has only existed since his book "The Wealth Of Nations" was created that gave rise to capitalist based economical systems.

    Where are capitalist economical systems found amongst nature beyond human beings?

    This I got to hear......
    Adam Smith only coined the term he did not invent it. Have you read The Wealth of Nations I have and no where does he lay claim to inventing anything only describing.

    http://adamsmithslostlegacy.blogspot...apitalism.html

    It is very simple and I explained the nature of capitalism in another thread where tried to say wage slavery exist and were proven wrong.

    For every action there is reaction, I will used predator/prey population levels as a example of laws of supply and demand. When prey numbers are high so increases the level of predators and when prey levels decrease because of predators so do the predators levels. Cause and effect are the roots of capitalism it was not invented only termed. This also holds true in the plant kingdom as well, really it is quite natural.
    Or maybe you are twisting political leftist views to support your free market capitalist ideologies as a propaganda tool piece...........
    No I'm not twisting anything only pointing out that the article you posted uses a leftist view on capitalism and that you can have capitalism and Nationalism, in fact you have to have capitalism as it occurs in nature.

    Ever wonder why people create such article? As it is clearly created as it states no facts and it's sources are hard to trace.

    I don't view capitalism as a ideology marx did that, so it would be real hard for me to use it as a propaganda tool. I have made other post on this subject before and I will say it again capitalism is not a political ideology it is a description of trade and laws of supply and demand.


    I don't understand this statement.

    Can you articulate a bit more?
    You don't understand it because you view capitalism as a political ideology not as a fact of nature. Oppressive governments have trade same as non-oppressive governments. Even when free trade oppressed by a state black markets spring up. Nothing to complicated about that.

    In the future please refraim from quoteing me out of context it only makes your points seem weaker.
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    Quote Originally Posted by SpearBrave
    What you have posted is not a description of free market capitalism. Capitalism has always existed and always will it is not a what leftist describe it to be as they are twisting what it really is as a propaganda tool.

    Capitalism was not invented it was only named it occurs in nature and that can be proven.
    Oh, that would be interesting to see

    Money grows on trees and generates profit out of nothing? C'mon, thats total nonsense.

    Capitalism has never existed before "profit" interests of banks existed. Namely the banks we have today (starting with the bank of England in 1694 and basically ending with the successful implementation of the FRB in 1913).


    Quote Originally Posted by SpearBrave
    Even the most strict and totalitarian form of government has to have capitalism to exist same as the most free form of government.
    You still (and we have been through this several times already) confuse "capital" with "capitalism". Capitalism really has only very little to do with capital.

    Of course you need money to run a state, but you certainly dont need capitalism to do so. And the Japanese, rejecting capitalism but not capital, run their state quite good!


    Quote Originally Posted by SpearBrave
    Really to buy into this that you can't have capitalism and nationalism is totally false as and is leftist propaganga.
    "Free market capitalism" is indeed anti-nationalistic in nature.

    The state either exercises control over its economy with regulating the products that can possibly be imported or exported, and also regulating, directing and controlling the money flow, then you can maintain a nationalist attitude as well.

    Or you have free market capitalism, where the "profit from money" (not work or products) is what directs the money flow, because it is the determining factor of every single aspect of economy. The money world is easy, either something generates profit, then it is good, or it does not generate profit, then it is bad.

    Let's see what is good for "profit":
    - cheap labor
    - competition on the labor market (to make labor ever cheaper and to generate therefore more profit)
    - open borders for more competition on the labor market
    - no limits / regulations of tradeable goods
    - no limits for private ownership (including governments and the nations themselves).

    Let's now see what is good for your nation:
    - proper payment for work in order that people can live well and can effort to get many children
    - competition on all levels kills community sense and makes team work impossible
    - open borders and the influx of all sorts of cheap labor scum obviously is not good for a nation
    - you really dont want each and every crap in your nation, from weird ideologies to chinese cheap products, all damage your internal economy, and when you export likewise unlimited, you also export knowledge and core technology which in turn also damages your internal economy
    - the "nation" belongs to the community of the folk, not in private profit-greedy hands. It is not a trade object. The government of the nation are servants to this highest common good under whose protection your nation-folk can florish. They are not in a sphere of competition, nor do their tasks require "profit thinking".


    Unlimited "free market capitalism" is a lethal enemy of the nation state.
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    Quote Originally Posted by velvet View Post
    Oh, that would be interesting to see

    Money grows on trees and generates profit out of nothing? C'mon, thats total nonsense.

    Capitalism has never existed before "profit" interests of banks existed. Namely the banks we have today (starting with the bank of England in 1694 and basically ending with the successful implementation of the FRB in 1913).




    You still (and we have been through this several times already) confuse "capital" with "capitalism". Capitalism really has only very little to do with capital.

    Of course you need money to run a state, but you certainly dont need capitalism to do so. And the Japanese, rejecting capitalism but not capital, run their state quite good!




    "Free market capitalism" is indeed anti-nationalistic in nature.

    The state either exercises control over its economy with regulating the products that can possibly be imported or exported, and also regulating, directing and controlling the money flow, then you can maintain a nationalist attitude as well.

    Or you have free market capitalism, where the "profit from money" (not work or products) is what directs the money flow, because it is the determining factor of every single aspect of economy. The money world is easy, either something generates profit, then it is good, or it does not generate profit, then it is bad.

    Let's see what is good for "profit":
    - cheap labor
    - competition on the labor market (to make labor ever cheaper and to generate therefore more profit)
    - open borders for more competition on the labor market
    - no limits / regulations of tradeable goods
    - no limits for private ownership (including governments and the nations themselves).

    Let's now see what is good for your nation:
    - proper payment for work in order that people can live well and can effort to get many children
    - competition on all levels kills community sense and makes team work impossible
    - open borders and the influx of all sorts of cheap labor scum obviously is not good for a nation
    - you really dont want each and every crap in your nation, from weird ideologies to chinese cheap products, all damage your internal economy, and when you export likewise unlimited, you also export knowledge and core technology which in turn also damages your internal economy
    - the "nation" belongs to the community of the folk, not in private profit-greedy hands. It is not a trade object. The government of the nation are servants to this highest common good under whose protection your nation-folk can florish. They are not in a sphere of competition, nor do their tasks require "profit thinking".


    Unlimited "free market capitalism" is a lethal enemy of the nation state.
    I must say Velvet you put it in words better than I have where I'm very impressed with your expressive insight.

    That's exactly the contingent I wanted to take this thread to in subject.
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    Quote Originally Posted by velvet View Post
    Oh, that would be interesting to see

    Money grows on trees and generates profit out of nothing? C'mon, thats total nonsense.

    Capitalism has never existed before "profit" interests of banks existed. Namely the banks we have today (starting with the bank of England in 1694 and basically ending with the successful implementation of the FRB in 1913).
    Never said money grows on trees and money/currency is just a form of exchange medium.

    Interest on loans existed prior to this as well, the Knights Templar had this during the middle ages. Some say they even invented international banking.

    You still (and we have been through this several times already) confuse "capital" with "capitalism". Capitalism really has only very little to do with capital.
    Capitalism derives from the use of capital and capital is just a form of exchange medium. That medium could be anything land, water, food, etc..
    Capitalism is word used to explain the laws or supply and demand. I already explained how these things occur in nature.

    I have asked several times for the names of the people that invented Capitalism as a political theory none yet have been able to give a answer. Yet people insist that it is political theory.

    The idea of central banking is not Capitalism in no way.
    Of course you need money to run a state, but you certainly don't need capitalism to do so. And the Japanese, rejecting capitalism but not capital, run their state quite good!
    Hm. I seem to remember that the Japanese falling on tough economic times in the 1980's or 1990's because they failed to understand basic natural laws of supply and demand of capitalism. Yet I am sure capitalism exist in Japan to this very day. Even if it is amongst themselves.

    "Free market capitalism" is indeed anti-nationalistic in nature.

    The state either exercises control over its economy with regulating the products that can possibly be imported or exported, and also regulating, directing and controlling the money flow, then you can maintain a nationalist attitude as well.

    Or you have free market capitalism, where the "profit from money" (not work or products) is what directs the money flow, because it is the determining factor of every single aspect of economy. The money world is easy, either something generates profit, then it is good, or it does not generate profit, then it is bad.
    This is where you are wrong in labeling Capitalism as a political idea, when it is not. It only came to being so by false representation of the word itself. A state/nation should not regulate every aspect of people lives including how they make their incomes to support their families.( this is where you have your chance throw all bad ideas about porn without adding all good things that come with it like education and science)

    Let's see what is good for "profit":
    - cheap labor
    - competition on the labor market (to make labor ever cheaper and to generate therefore more profit)
    - open borders for more competition on the labor market
    - no limits / regulations of tradeable goods
    - no limits for private ownership (including governments and the nations themselves).

    Let's now see what is good for your nation:
    - proper payment for work in order that people can live well and can effort to get many children
    - competition on all levels kills community sense and makes team work impossible
    - open borders and the influx of all sorts of cheap labor scum obviously is not good for a nation
    - you really dont want each and every crap in your nation, from weird ideologies to chinese cheap products, all damage your internal economy, and when you export likewise unlimited, you also export knowledge and core technology which in turn also damages your internal economy
    - the "nation" belongs to the community of the folk, not in private profit-greedy hands. It is not a trade object. The government of the nation are servants to this highest common good under whose protection your nation-folk can florish. They are not in a sphere of competition, nor do their tasks require "profit thinking".
    This is where you fail to mention that Germanics don't get along with total dictatorships and the fact that you use Capitalism as a political idea not as natural occurring action. You also fail to mention the good aspects of private ownership and self pride that leads to national pride and nationalism.

    Unlimited "free market capitalism" is a lethal enemy of the nation state.
    Unlimited government is lethal enemy of a nation state.
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    Capitalism & Nationalism can co-exist. We need to view human stock differently from other forms of capital. We can have a laissez faire economic system without also having free immigration & open borders. Also the current "free trade" system is not what Adam Smith envisioned. Free trade meant that competition would force different countries to devote resources to those products and servives they were best suited for, that prohibitively high tariffs protected inefficient industries. Nowadays instead of competitive advantage corprorations are investing in the cheapest labor force. Free trade also has to work both ways, if one side is practicing it & the other is not you will end up with a huge trade imbalance.

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