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    at least in capitalism people can rise above the control. If it was mercantilism, dictatorship etc. then the same manipulation would be going on but in a system which people must fight violently to resist it and which in the end is less stable and prosperous. In this system a simple choice to reject the propaganda is about all it takes.

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    Europeans, Anglo-Saxons specifically, came to North America in search of gold, as well as freedom of religion. They were financed to find a profit in the new land. The entire basis was economical. Eventually the colonialist fought Britain in a war that was influenced by taxation. The war was about economic and individual freedom. As far as I know it was those of Anglo-Saxon ancestry who formed the Constitution, and that was the framework for limited government. As time goes by the new Americans went west, in search of gold. Eventually, we had a war among the nation, and the South was against the tariffs and taxation imposed on them by the North, it was a war of state vs federal power, a war of limited government. Northerners and Southerners were both against the tyrant Lincoln, eventually he had his way. Slavery ended (which would have ended regardless to do it's economical disadvantages). Industry starts up in America, and the standard of living rises, and production increases.

    As far as I'm concerned the early history of America was founded on capitalist and minarchist principles. There was no secret agenda, and nothing about Jews. As far as nationalism goes, there was a war for the South to secede from the North, the two were both culturally different (as it can be today).

    I'm more interested to carry on my history of these principles than someone elses. I'll continue to fight for these, regardless of who's in control or trying to cause sabotage or confusion.
    "If the natural tendencies of mankind are so bad that it is not safe to permit people to be free, how is it that the tendencies of these organizers are always good? Do not the legislators and their appointed agents also belong to the human race? Or do they believe that they themselves are made of a finer clay than the rest of mankind?" - Frédéric Bastiat, The Law

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    There was no secret agenda, and nothing about Jews. As far as nationalism goes, there was a war for the South to secede from the North, the two were both culturally different (as it can be today).
    The Civil War was partially provoked and financed by the Rothschilds.
    During the American Civil War, the Rothschilds financed both sides of the conflict. "The reasons leading to this civil war," van Helsing wrote, "were almost completely due to the actions and provocations of Rothschild agents." One of the troublemakers, founder of the "Knights of the Golden Circle," was George Bickley (NJ). Bickley extolled the advantages of succession from the Union by the Confederate States. On the other side, the Rothschild-J. P. Morgan and August Belmont banks financed the Union. In addition, Rothschild' s London bank supported the North, while its Paris bank funded the South. It was a glorious business.

    President Lincoln finally caught wind of the scam and withheld immense interest payments to the Rothschilds. He then petitioned Congress to print "greenbacks"-dollars over which only the Union held printing power. In response, the furious Rothschilds are said to have arranged his assassination. John Wilkes Booth murdered Lincoln on April 14, 1865. Booth was freed from jail due to the efforts of the Knights of the Golden Circle. He spent the duration of his days living comfortably in England, funded by the Rothschilds.
    http://lampuri.fi/rothschild.htm

    The South may have had provocation agents from Britain.
    The Illustrated University History, 1878, p. 504, tells us that the southern states swarmed with British agents. These conspired with local politicians to work against the best interests of the United States. Their carefully sown and nurtured propaganda developed into open rebellion and resulted in the secession of South Carolina on December 29, 1860. Within weeks another six states joined the conspiracy against the Union, and broke away to form the Confederate States of America, with Jefferson Davis as President.
    http://www.rumormillnews.com/cgi-bin...mes/read/39508

    Even the chancellor of Germany was aware of the bankers trying to force the division of the US.
    We can see from this quote of the then chancellor of Germany that slavery was not the only cause for the American Civil War. "The division of the United States into federations of equal force was decided long before the Civil War by the high financial powers of Europe. These bankers were afraid that the US, if they remained as one block, and as one nation, would attain economic and financial independence, which would upset their financial domination over the world."
    http://www.xat.org/xat/usury.html

    Abraham Lincoln did not make any banker friends by printing interest free Greenbacks.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Paradigm View Post

    I'm more interested to carry on my history of these principles than someone elses. I'll continue to fight for these, regardless of who's in control or trying to cause sabotage or confusion.
    Exactly. Preservation is more based on a tribal or clan level or a very local region.

    If we are more concerned about ourselves and being responsible for our own lives regardless of who is in control then we don't have to worry as much about all these conspiracies. Our own individual lives go on. Whereas depending on collective action, nationalism, and the state leaves one vulnerable and manipulated

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    Preservation is more based on a tribal or clan level or a very local region.
    There has been less clanishness ever since the Germanics starting forming the super-tribes of the Franks and the Alamanni. Even the Bavarians, to a degree, were originally composed of smaller tribes. I suppose they could still have their family clans, but would still pledge allegiance to the super tribe. However, as they proceeded towards Nations, they had less freedom.

    If we are more concerned about ourselves and being responsible for our own lives regardless of who is in control then we don't have to worry as much about all these conspiracies.
    Who is in control makes a very big difference for the Boers. Farmers can be very independent.

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    I don't buy into this individualism philosophy. It's fine if one wants to disconnect from your surroundings and live in a bubble. It fails utterly if the intention were to protect one's turf from hostile takeovers.

    Taking responsibility for one's life, actions and destiny is one thing. Neglecting one's community and turning one's back on your nation is another.

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    When referring to the type of philosophical individualism of actually being disconnected, the only person I can think of who was along these lines was Max Stirner, all the individualist who I've read deny that we would just be disconnected from our surroundings.
    "If the natural tendencies of mankind are so bad that it is not safe to permit people to be free, how is it that the tendencies of these organizers are always good? Do not the legislators and their appointed agents also belong to the human race? Or do they believe that they themselves are made of a finer clay than the rest of mankind?" - Frédéric Bastiat, The Law

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    Quote Originally Posted by Paradigm View Post
    When referring to the type of philosophical individualism of actually being disconnected, the only person I can think of who was along these lines was Max Stirner, all the individualist who I've read deny that we would just be disconnected from our surroundings.
    Actually he only denied social collectivism if it in any way got in the way of the individual's pursuit of self accomplishment.

    More than anything most of his criticizement of collectivism was when it came down to collective government which he railed against as not being collective or individualist at all in that he was one of many to notice how government is controlled by a elite few who are only interested in their own benefit for the most part.
    National Socialism is the only salvation for Germanics and Europids everywhere. Capitalism, libertarianism, and communism is the enemy.

    National socialized collectivism must prevail over radical individualism.

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    Quote Originally Posted by genius View Post
    at least in capitalism people can rise above the control. If it was mercantilism, dictatorship etc. then the same manipulation would be going on but in a system which people must fight violently to resist it and which in the end is less stable and prosperous. In this system a simple choice to reject the propaganda is about all it takes.
    I'd rather have a strong economical dictatorship where unemployment is low and where there is strong racial cultural national emblems in place compared to the damnation we have currently.

    I'm a anarchist in that I'm against government largely of every kind but I would settle for such compared to this racial cultural apocalypse that we have now.

    Atleast it would be a point in the right direction where afterwards it could change overtime that is less dictatorial which usually systems of that kind usually do in progression in that no dictatorship lasts very long without revolution of some kind.
    National Socialism is the only salvation for Germanics and Europids everywhere. Capitalism, libertarianism, and communism is the enemy.

    National socialized collectivism must prevail over radical individualism.

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    Quote Originally Posted by AlaricLachlan View Post
    I'd rather have a strong economical dictatorship where unemployment is low and where there is strong racial cultural national emblems in place compared to the damnation we have currently.

    I'm a anarchist in that I'm against government largely but I would settle for such compared to this racial cultural apocalypse that we have now.

    Atleast it would be a point in the right direction where afterwards it could change overtime that is less dictatorial which usually systems of that kind usually do in progression.
    I don't really believe such a system of government could exist. Even with the fiercest of dictators, you can't count on them not being bought out by the power of the bank note. This "racial cultural apocalypse" has the possibility of getting much worse in such a scenario. Remember, it wasn't democracy that got us here; it was the counterculture propaganda that made us so apathetic and let it happen.

    Even if we had Hitler himself running the country, there rings the possibility that he'd get bought out by Islamic interests and the population would become Muslim. It was Hitler (who was influenced by Indo-Aryan interest groups) who said that Islam was much more compatible with Germanic people than Christianity...

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