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    Post Re: Should the Gita be Important to Europeans?

    http://www.forums.skadi.net/showthre...=India+genetic

    "For maternally inherited mtDNA, each caste is most similar to Asians."

    The Asian mtDNA Indians were compared to consisted of 78 Asians (12 Cambodians, 17 Chinese, 19 Japanese, 6 Malay, 9 Vietnamese, 2 Koreans, and 13 Asians of mixed ancestry).

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    I wonder how can you make me a hypocrite, if you have any ethics at all, or just to feel not-that-mongrel yourself, which your ancestral genetics suggest(I assume you are of North West European Ancestry)!

    Quote Originally Posted by Nordhammer
    And where do you live? Let's see if you're a hypocrite or not.
    I live in the North Western Himalayas. Most of my other folks live in hills too, in the state of HP and its foothills.

    I have been to Kashmir many times before. I have seen the Valley as well as regions around Pir Panjal. And that is where I feel home.

    We have many relatives who had to move from their homes in Poonchh Hills to the Eastern and Valley Sides of Kashmir, in areas such as Udhampur and Akhnoor, while some in the Poonchh.

    The language which we speak is till this date not quite different. A lot of our people are Sikhs, and many of those who stayed behind in Pakistan became Muslims. Many of them have actually visited us here.

    All disgusting events of 1947, we don't blame our own people for it, I mean muslims also as our people. It is well know that the British Chief of Newly-Created Pakistani Army had planned mercenary rioting and murders in Poonchh.

    Then what can explain the Hungama-E-Polandyari where Pooncchees fought Mohajir-Dominated Pakistani Government in Poonchh?

    Our people have no Voting rights here in 'India' nor do I have even an inch of land.

    I have several friends there, as far in the North as the Charsadda in Peshawar Valley, they ask me that I visit them. Whereas we have too few of our people here, a few thousands(no more than 3,000-4,000) among a billion beings.

    Scattered all over the country.

    It is right, that I don't live, I don't live on the land where my physical body is. A plant is living on its soil, it is firewood elsewhere.

    If you intend to suggest that we have been assimilated into the local INdian population, then you are incorrect. Our Biradari is too strong and vital that it inspires nothing of that sort. Whereas I wonder if Europeans could ever think up of something like Goth and Gotar, which keeps the gene pool healthy and clean!

    Although some mixing has started very recently in the past 6-7 years.

    And the represnetative sample you gave a link of, posted by euclides poster, that is absolutely wonderful.

    Shapur, please note this. East Europeans are akin to the South Indian Veddoid Andhra Upper Castes. Some flew over to the Bay of Bengal and planted their Y-Chromosomal Haplogroups into the wombs of women(Asiatic Mongols) there. While northerns are at least purer and much better than these fly-by-to-the-south gene traders.

    This is what I understand from this Nordhammer campaign.

    Overall, it has been meaningless being here for the past 2 years almost. I mean this forum.

    Njord Erckson, you are most welcme to ban me now!!!

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    Post Re: Should the Gita be Important to Europeans?

    Quote Originally Posted by Nordhammer
    http://www.forums.skadi.net/showthre...=India+genetic

    "For maternally inherited mtDNA, each caste is most similar to Asians."

    The Asian mtDNA Indians were compared to consisted of 78 Asians (12 Cambodians, 17 Chinese, 19 Japanese, 6 Malay, 9 Vietnamese, 2 Koreans, and 13 Asians of mixed ancestry).
    Do we speak about Pakistanis or Indians? I think Pakistanis!
    So please post Pakistanian mtDNA datas not Indian!
    Btw I know that Pakistanian mtDNA is 70% Caucasian. Compare this with y-chromosomal HG they would fit as 80% Caucasians!

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    Post Re: Should the Gita be Important to Europeans?

    Quote Originally Posted by Shapur
    Do we speak about Pakistanis or Indians? I think Pakistanis!
    So please post Pakistanian mtDNA datas not Indian!
    Btw I know that Pakistanian mtDNA is 70% Caucasian. Compare this with y-chromosomal HG they would fit as 80% Caucasians!
    Shapur, please note what the haplogroup map posted by me measures out within the Caucasian Realm, and in West Asia.

    Consider the occurrence of Haplogroup HG3 in Mari in Central Asia, and consider the Y-Chromosomal ancestry of west asian populations, as well as the Armenians and Turks. What is the nature of the HG3 there? Who is going to explain that?

    Considering so, and that Iran itself is very much a middle eastern land, genetically, except its North eastern region which touches Herat in Afghanistan. Basically political history explains why Iran has borrowed so much from the Afro-Asiatic Arabs that its composition has tilted away in their favour, the entire South of Iran is Arab now. North has Mongol admixture and Turkic ancestry among Azeris. It has little in common with the Tajiks, who are actually closer to the Kashmiris of Northern Kashmir-Baltistan.
    Both of these have recieved some Mongol and Semitic Paternal Genetic lineage, which is again explained by their political history. Many who live by the Pashtunwali are Tajiks and are called Pakhtoons. And then there is the Sudhan tribe in North-Western Kashmir(as a United State), who also rank among the Pashtoons, although they do not have much in common with the Pakhtoons, i.e., no social or marital ties with the Marwat Pakhtoons.

    Assan di boli vi farag hi!

    Jeh koi vi apni boli bolna hi taan mere sange bolom jadeen koi vakif hi meri boli naal taan me eh chassan ke tussan vi es post da jawaab deyo!

    I know I have mixed potohari with Pahari.

    I wish I was brought up within this language's birthplace.

    Pahari rules!

    We ought to get back to Pakistani genes.

    Most Bloch are actually Pakhtoons. Pakhtoons are related to Kashmiris and East Iranians but they also have Middle Eastern Arab and North Afrikan Admixture. That is why their hopitality is so noble. They are probably the best example of a living people. They have always fought, but at heart they are a kinder and compassionate people. Their blood has been used by others in the name of religion and various other causes and sacrificed for reasons which no Pakhtoon identifies. But their strongest characteristic is their unity, of all the tribes.

    Sindhis have enormous Semitic admixture, the maybe related to the Indian Jats/Jatts as well as the Gujratis. Indian Populations Punjab onwards have Veddoid and other Asian admixture. A lot of hilly people are, however, distinct from bother-Oriental as well as Asiatic populations.

    Punjab is inhabited by all kinds of caste groups, the Arains, the Jats, the Rajputs, Saiyads etc. Their Asiatic maternal inheritance is quite well-known. The Gypsies originated from these Punjab Castes.

    Potohar is Northern Punjab & Kashmir West of the Pir Panjal, although Pakistanis like to call it Azad Kashmir. They have had their own pangs of labour. The Hungama-E-Polandari was one such episode. And how it was crushed by the Pakistani army after Sudhan Poonchhees had taken captive a town's police following their protests against the Pakistani plans aimed at developing Poonchh region through rapid industrialisation.

    Our own people think that we might be Iranians of antiquity. But that is just a thought and more and more people are now trying to merge in to the Indian Fabric.

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    Post Re: Bhagavad-gita

    Quote Originally Posted by Rahul
    Overall, it has been meaningless being here for the past 2 years almost. I mean this forum.
    Nonsense; I have learnt much from you [I would like to learn more but I feel I'm not up to it!].

    And I know that Jack has said that he has learnt much from you.

    I actually RESPECT your indignation, but just don't expect a non-European viewpoint from we Europeans!

    Am I Eurocentric? - You bet!
    Why are there beings at all, & why not rather nothing?
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    Post Re: Bhagavad-gita

    I've learned a great deal from you, Rahul, and it would be a great loss to see you leave. I believe it's beneficial to have a non-European Aryan on Skadi to remind us of who we once were, in ages past, even though Europeans/West Aryans have moved in a somewhat different direction from the Aryans in the East. In my opinion the Bhagavad Gita is not currently prominent in the West. It should be, though, in order to 'purify' the modern West.
    All men dream, but not equally. Those who dream at night, in the dusky recesses of their minds, wake in the day to find that it was vanity. But the dreamers of the day are dangerous men, for they may act their dreams, with open eyes, to make it possible.

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    Post Re: Bhagavad-gita

    Hallo, I am not a great man. I probably falter more easily than others and utter stupid words for which I feel a pain inside later.

    Never mind, you both know very well that there is more to our lives and world. Forums on the Internet are irrelevant to any cause. They serve as a means to propagate ideas which are altogether impractical in the real world.

    And most of all they are completely in coherent with the persona of the poster itself.

    Life is lived by deeds and not by words alone.

    The more difficult problem is that it is easy for Big people to break apart than create. Same with tradition, which is made with some very honest and selfless sacrifices or simple humans.

    We should all remember that in our daily lives.

    Then the crux of the problem is that most people are attracted to places like Skadi and all other boards on the Internet because they have left only negative feelings within themselves. There is no positive thought which they desire.
    Quote Originally Posted by Jack
    I've learned a great deal from you, Rahul, and it would be a great loss to see you leave. I believe it's beneficial to have a non-European Aryan on Skadi to remind us of who we once were, in ages past, even though Europeans/West Aryans have moved in a somewhat different direction from the Aryans in the East. In my opinion the Bhagavad Gita is not currently prominent in the West. It should be, though, in order to 'purify' the modern West.

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    Post Re: Bhagavad-gita

    Quote Originally Posted by Moody Lawless
    Arjuna is certainly an Aryan; as these beautiful lines from the Geeta suggest;

    The Lord said:
    'My beloved friend!
    Why yield, just on the eve of battle, to this weakness which does no credit to those who call themselves Aryans, and only bring them infamy and bars against them the gates of heaven?
    [BhG II:2]

    How can an adherence to the the Aryan tradition [which is a positive thing] be "denial" - please explain.

    Wherever spirituality decays and materialism is rampant, then, O Arjuna!
    I reincarnate Myself.
    [BhG IV:7]

    thats actually from the Bhagavad Gita...thats best quote I have ever read
    the gods were actually said to reincarnate themselves in time of spiritual and materialistic trouble...I have gotta get my hands on the Bhagavad Gita

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    Post Re: Bhagavad-gita

    The Bhagavad Gita is a very valuable text and contains within it promotion of a superior morality. Whereas Buddhism was killed off in the kingdom of Ghandara (Afghanistan) due to most sects of Buddhism's unnatural interpretation of the concept of Ahimsa i.e. non-violence, Hinduism has stood the test of time against the onslaught of Islam and has proven it's inherent organic vitality.
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    Post Re: Bhagavad-gita

    Quote Originally Posted by Imperator X
    The Bhagavad Gita is a very valuable text and contains within it promotion of a superior morality. Whereas Buddhism was killed off in the kingdom of Ghandara (Afghanistan) due to most sects of Buddhism's unnatural interpretation of the concept of Ahimsa i.e. non-violence, Hinduism has stood the test of time against the onslaught of Islam and has proven it's inherent organic vitality.
    It is Gandhara, imperator. And it was the Haydal who destroyed the Tocharian Buddhist Culture in Afghanistan. But the last heathen religion which fell in Afghanistan was that of the Shaheyas-Hindus.

    Most of them actually became Muslims then and became man of the code-Pakhtoonwali.

    Various tribes like the Sudhans, Bangash, Khattaks and Yousefzeis are related to them.

    Infact the active messege of the Geeta is more prevalent and pronounced in Islam than in present-day Hinduism itself. Besides, I understand that you seek allies in war against Islam instead of having really any interest in hot-air hinduism. After all a billion hindus can be a good cannon fodder for Islamic jehadis.

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