Should the Gita be Important to Europeans?

[hchalice]

I cannot understand how European Preservationists are going goo-goo over Hindu books. Do you people understand Hinduism and the mess that it has caused in India?

Hindu philosophy is nonsense and has not made any guru more enlightened - my personal Christian fundamentalist view

Of course, some aspects will be 'nice', but does the Gita give you real answers to real problems or just cause some esoteric tingling because you do not understand what you have read?

I MEAN NO INSULT FOLKS

[Awar]

Why are you so sure that nobody understands what's written there, if you don't understand. I don't have a clue about physics, but I don't necessarily call all those numbers and formulas -gibberish.

[hchalice]

AWAR,

my apologies. that statement was poorly constructed

it is just that I have not seen anything redeemable in Hinduism

circular theology does not interest me. if you understand the Gita - all the best

as i said before, i am a christian fundamentalist. i had to learn evolutionary theory for biology even though it was heretical to my faith. physics is basically the same. i am told that physics, chemistry and biology were meant to find out man's origins. just because someone writes a physics formula does not make it correct just like scientists using carbon dating (or some similar method) found that a living mollusc was actually dead for millions of years. nothing in science is foolproof or we could take the hindu verion of the earth being held up on the backs of giant elephants as gospel

anyway, sorry

[Moody]

The Gita is important to European preservationists because it is part of the long Aryan tradition that flows back from modern Germanic philosophy back to the Greeks and beyond them to the Indo-Aryans.
The Gita actually upholds caste [caste is 'varna',meaning 'colour'] - see verse 18, line 41;

'O Arjuna [White One], the activities of the priestly, warrior, farmer and slave castes are clearly divided according to the qualities born of their own nature'.

So it is a much purer Aryan expression than the Semitic-influenced Christianity we are most familiar with.
Essentially, the Gita teaches a moral outlook - a master moral, not a slave moral.


ARJUNA

[Rahul]

This Arjuna, in the photo, is an Aryan?

The Geeta has nothing in common with the Greek of the Germanic tradition. Except that a people are striving to disown their semitic mode of thinking and philosophising.

Such an adoption of the Geeta is denial, basically.

The Gita is important to European preservationists because it is part of the long Aryan tradition that flows back from modern Germanic philosophy back to the Greeks and beyond them to the Indo-Aryans.
The Gita actually upholds caste [caste is 'varna',meaning 'colour'] - see verse 18, line 41;

'O Arjuna [White One], the activities of the priestly, warrior, farmer and slave castes are clearly divided according to the qualities born of their own nature'.

So it is a much purer Aryan expression than the Semitic-influenced Christianity we are most familiar with.
Essentially, the Gita teaches a moral outlook - a master moral, not a slave moral.


ARJUNA

[Moody]

This Arjuna, in the photo, is an Aryan?

The Geeta has nothing in common with the Greek of the Germanic tradition. Except that a people are striving to disown their semitic mode of thinking and philosophising.

Such an adoption of the Geeta is denial, basically.

Arjuna is certainly an Aryan; as these beautiful lines from the Geeta suggest;

The Lord said:
'My beloved friend!
Why yield, just on the eve of battle, to this weakness which does no credit to those who call themselves Aryans, and only bring them infamy and bars against them the gates of heaven?
[BhG II:2]

How can an adherence to the the Aryan tradition [which is a positive thing] be "denial" - please explain.

Wherever spirituality decays and materialism is rampant, then, O Arjuna!
I reincarnate Myself.
[BhG IV:7]

[Rahul]

I see the fenris myth as a very vivid explanation of the prevalent cannibalism, at least if not a full blown evidence then at least an indirect allusion to it, among norse tribes.

Compare that then, with the thought of the Geeta.

And then, you post an image from some South Indian Temple with some figure, which I do not thing physically resembles a Puru or a Bharata or even a Sudha!

I didn't refer to the thought of the Gita, but the graphic which you had put under your post.

Arjuna is certainly an Aryan; as these beautiful lines from the Geeta suggest;

The Lord said:
'My beloved friend!
Why yield, just on the eve of battle, to this weakness which does no credit to those who call themselves Aryans, and only bring them infamy and bars against them the gates of heaven?
[BhG II:2]

How can an adherence to the the Aryan tradition [which is a positive thing] be "denial" - please explain.

Wherever spirituality decays and materialism is rampant, then, O Arjuna!
I reincarnate Myself.
[BhG IV:7]

[Moody]

I see the fenris myth as a very vivid explanation of the prevalent cannibalism, at least if not a full blown evidence then at least an indirect allusion to it, among norse tribes.

Compare that then, with the thought of the Geeta.

And then, you post an image from some South Indian Temple with some figure, which I do not thing physically resembles a Puru or a Bharata or even a Sudha!

I didn't refer to the thought of the Gita, but the graphic which you had put under your post.

I must correct you; you said that the Gita has nothing in common with the European world, and that an adoption of it was a form of "denial".
I asked you to explain that enigma, but you haven't.

I would say that the work of Savitri Devi alone [who found the Gita to be central to her Aryan mythos] would refute what you suggest to be the case;

http://library.flawlesslogic.com/hindudom.htm

The picture of 'Arjuna' is just an artist's impression of that warrior - that's all.

[Boerncian]

I cannot understand how European Preservationists are going goo-goo over Hindu books. Do you people understand Hinduism and the mess that it has caused in India?

Hindu philosophy is nonsense and has not made any guru more enlightened - my personal Christian fundamentalist view

Of course, some aspects will be 'nice', but does the Gita give you real answers to real problems or just cause some esoteric tingling because you do not understand what you have read?

I MEAN NO INSULT FOLKS

Well I understand it have studied the vedas and The gita the message is clear.Krishna is telling the warriour Arjuna that the temporal world is just that temporal, that he as a warriour must always assume his own death and the death of all others, and do his duty.Also for me fundamentalist Christianity is absurd, no offense, but quite illogical, and has not produced one major thinker,except for its founder John calvin.All a matter of perspective. The mind set of the vedas is far closer to our racial forefathers than Judeo/chirstianity which teaches submission to a higher power an ultimate King, while,the folk faiths of the Germanic folk and the celts seeks seek transcendence of self through submission to duty and honor.Duty is a duty to the Volk not to a king. We have leadersbut we know they are temporal.
No bargains with Odin no sin except to live weakly and die a straw death. This is the essence of the Gita.

[Shapur]

I cannot understand how European Preservationists are going goo-goo over Hindu books. Do you people understand Hinduism and the mess that it has caused in India?

Hindu philosophy is nonsense and has not made any guru more enlightened - my personal Christian fundamentalist view

Of course, some aspects will be 'nice', but does the Gita give you real answers to real problems or just cause some esoteric tingling because you do not understand what you have read?

I MEAN NO INSULT FOLKS

Come on man. Go and read your Bible where is write about Semitic tribes.
I read Indo-Germanic books not Semitic books!