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    Quote Originally Posted by Hamar Fox View Post
    This is almost exactly what I said here: http://forums.skadi.net/showpost.php...8&postcount=36 (one post after the one you quoted)

    I don't really see where we disagree. Whether inbreeding is good or bad depends on the genetic quality of the families in question. But in addition to that, the expression of bad recessive genes can also be advantageous in that it exposes them, and allows natural selection to purge them from the gene pool.

    I admit that it kind of mimics what you said but I did not mean for it to be.Since I made that last statement,I decided to do some reading up on
    the subject of incest to see what effects it really has on the offspring of the
    couples who participate in such relationships.

    To be honest,I don't know nothing about it other than being taught it was
    bad as a child.I am now going to find out which societies in the past openly
    practiced incest.I know right off-hand that the Egyptians did and this possibly
    had some effects on the way the Pharaos looked.I know about the Hapsburg
    lip but that is really all.

    The two couples I mentiond earlier who where kissing cousins had children who
    not only acted slow they looked the part also.One couple had some "normal"
    acting children and they where second cousins but the other couple were first
    cousins all their children where severely handicapped.I think it is these cases
    here that drive home the fact,for me anyways,that incest could have negative
    results on offspring and I think the chances are greater in couples who engage
    in incest than couples who are not related.

    So from what I have read so far incest may not be as bad as I thought but
    I still think the risks outweigh the reward.

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    Regarding the Irish, and which nationalities look better than which, I would say beauty is to a significant extent in the eye of the beholder. Of course, an unhealthy or genetically abnormal person will tend to look objectively less attractive, which is noticeable with people from bad backgrounds or third world countries. For example people from overcrowded, filthy Asian cities, with an unpleasant way of life on top of that, often look quite unnattractive; but their children, raised in Western countries, who are healthy and well nourished, give one quite a different impression of the Asian look.
    So a difference in health and culture can make all the difference between "ugly" and simply "foreign".

    The Irish look is common in my area, lots of Irishmen settled here and their descendants have to a large extent married within the Irish Catholic community. I personally tend to find them more attractive than a lot of the English, however I believe this is subjective given the more Scottish/Irish look in my own family. There is a stronger continental (Corded, to be specific) element in the English which is in a sense more foreign to my eyes.

    However, a broader faced, robust look has traditionally tended to be regarded as "ugly" and gracile as handsome/pretty. The Irish have a stronger genetic influence of the broader faced Cro-Magnid look, so maybe some people find that "ugly".

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    Quote Originally Posted by Hamar Fox View Post
    Some English/Irish mixes are certainly very aesthetically successful:
    In America, German-Irish mixes are quite common, and the girls often end up with the same kind of general features as Barton and Hurley. Of course not all of the girls produced from these mixes are supermodel material, but they can definitely be quite sexy.

    I don't think there's a world of difference physically between any of the peoples of the Isles. We're all basically descendants of the same tribes (pre-Celts, Celts, and continental Germanics), just in different proportions.
    I've been to both England and Ireland, and that was my general impression.

    Heather Graham is an American of Irish Catholic stock, and I'd say she's a pretty good example of a more Celtic-looking woman from the British Isles at the top of her game:



    Naomi Watts is an Australian of English stock, and I'd say she's a pretty good example of a more Germanic-looking woman from the British Isles at the top of her game:



    Not bad for a couple of "inbred island monkeys."
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    Is this thread even about incest anymore?

    Anybody want to see a picture of my cute, aryan cousin?
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    Quote Originally Posted by OneWolf View Post
    I admit that it kind of mimics what you said but I did not mean for it to be.Since I made that last statement,I decided to do some reading up on
    the subject of incest to see what effects it really has on the offspring of the
    couples who participate in such relationships.

    To be honest,I don't know nothing about it other than being taught it was
    bad as a child.I am now going to find out which societies in the past openly
    practiced incest.I know right off-hand that the Egyptians did and this possibly
    had some effects on the way the Pharaos looked.I know about the Hapsburg
    lip but that is really all.

    The two couples I mentiond earlier who where kissing cousins had children who
    not only acted slow they looked the part also.One couple had some "normal"
    acting children and they where second cousins but the other couple were first
    cousins all their children where severely handicapped.I think it is these cases
    here that drive home the fact,for me anyways,that incest could have negative
    results on offspring and I think the chances are greater in couples who engage
    in incest than couples who are not related.

    So from what I have read so far incest may not be as bad as I thought but
    I still think the risks outweigh the reward.
    Nobody who has two disabled children should have a third. Since the odds of having a disabled child with a first cousin are relatively low, the fact that they had, I'm guessing, three or more disabled children suggests that there was something else at play genetically. In all likelihood, the family had some particularly bad recessive genes, more so than the average family, therefore the odds for that particular family producing healthy children through 'incest' was particularly low. But why should it be illegal for families with good genes to 'inbreed'? It's like banning nuts because some people have nut allergies. It's essentially outlawing something and criminalising someone for something that might happen to someone else in a similar situation.

    Negative effects resulting from second and third cousin couples are even less likely. So why is it less acceptable in some parts of the world than older mothers, who are likely to have at least one Down Syndrome kid out of three? The answer is cultural prejudice. Older mothers' corner is fought by feminists, a critically unopposed vogue ideology, while consanguineous couples' corner is fought by virtually no one, but it's associated with such unpopular ideologies as ruralism, traditionalism and racial preservationism.

    Quote Originally Posted by KasparHauser View Post
    Is this thread even about incest anymore?

    Anybody want to see a picture of my cute, aryan cousin?
    Somehow I get the impression you're trying to be inflammatory

    But I say go for it. I think we're all secretly curious.

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    Anybody want to see a picture of my cute, aryan cousin?
    As soon as you're ready, Kaspar

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    Anybody want to see a picture of my cute, aryan cousin?
    No. Do not post her picture. This thread is already ridiculously embarrassing enough. If anything, showing her picture would make this thread 100 times more awkward.

    Quit commenting on this thread so it fades out of the recent comment box.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Godwinson View Post
    As soon as you're ready, Kaspar
    Does anyone else get the feeling he's going to post a picture of Susan Boyle or something? If he does, he shouldn't be banned for trolling, because it'd be so hilarious. It'd be funniest if he let us passionately argue for 20 pages before he 'punks' us, though

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    Quote Originally Posted by Rhydderch View Post
    I think, as others have stated, that the extreme prejudice against it stems largely from the influence of Hollywood, and goes hand in hand with a promotion of interracial marriage. There's this image of banjos and backcountry American yokels whenever this issue is raised in Western societies. There's nothing rational or scientific about it, although people think there is.
    Racial mixing and inbreeding are two extremes of the same coin.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ancient Autumn
    Racial mixing and inbreeding are two extremes of the same coin.
    Write it this way and it gets correct:
    Racial mixing and the prejudice against "inbreeding" are two sides of the same coin.

    It's what Hamar said, it comes from the same source that relentlessly rallies against "such unpopular ideologies as ruralism, traditionalism and racial preservationism". In rural areas it is still not uncommon to have second or third cousins marrying to 'keep things within the family'. Nothing wrong with that.

    And then those people who formulated The Race Question tell people that there is no such thing as race and that it would be best to mix everything together in a big undefined genepool to "prevent inbreeding" - and to have at the end a coffee brown, stupid, dumped down slave race.
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