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    What Are Your Thoughts on Mixed Heathenry?

    Title says it all.

    DO you see a problem with honoring two sets of gods? I'm of Irish and German descent, and was wondering if you thought it inappropriate to honor the Irish/Celtic gods as well as the Germanic ones.

    Should I go with one or the other, or honor both the Celtic and Germanic counterparts?

    My first instinct is to consider it appropriate, as I come from both lineages, so to speak.

    Thoughts?

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    I really enjoy reading about both (I'm also part Irish and German) but I don't practice either. Most I've talked to are 100% against practicing two at the same time.

    Something you might not know is that Southern Germany was the origin of the Celts.
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Celts

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    Quote Originally Posted by Wynterwade View Post
    I really enjoy reading about both (I'm also part Irish and German) but I don't practice either. Most I've talked to are 100% against practicing two at the same time.
    Did they say why?

    Quote Originally Posted by Wynterwade View Post
    Something you might not know is that Southern Germany was the origin of the Celts.
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Celts
    That beign the case, I suppose it's appropriate to stick to the Celtic gods.

    However, what would be your thoughts on using runes and talismans from the Germanic religions? I find the ogham alphabet quite dissatisfying, and beyond the triskele and knotwork, there isn't much to work with as far as Celtic talismans.

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    i believe the celtic peoples are folk.
    a lot of western europeans and europeans americans are part celtic, part germanic, part norse and so on.

    however celtic tradition has a very different mythology from norse tradition.

    they are different mythologies, however you can practice them both. they have some similar origines, perhaps leading back to vedic and proto european traditions.

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    I came from the Celtic side and attempted to do just that, practice both. It doesn't work. To borrow an old phrase "You can't serve 2 masters". No it's not meant to be taken litereally. But while the Celts and Germanic folk/Gods are cousins, they are very much seperate people. So to this day I practice Germanic Heathenry and will on special ocassions honor my Celtic Family Line.

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    Essentially, yes and no. Principally there is no commandment laid upon you by any one of our gods telling you: "Thou shald not have other Gods beside me." Practically, however it's going to get confusing soon, if you're going to have two thunder-gods whose names are even phonetically basically identical to each other (Thonar vs. Taranis can be explained by phonetic shift); even more so if you choose to bring up children in your faith.

    Essentially, see which gives you the superior connection; don't forget to also honour the other, practice you should only one path though IMHO, even though they're repsentations of the same force, overdoing the mix&match can lead to quickly losing perspective.
    -In kalte Schatten versunken... /Germaniens Volk erstarrt / Gefroren von Lügen / In denen die Welt verharrt-
    -Die alte Seele trauernd und verlassen / Verblassend in einer erklärbaren Welt / Schwebend in einem Dunst der Wehmut / Ein Schrei der nur unmerklich gellt-
    -Auch ich verspüre Demut / Vor dem alten Geiste der Ahnen / Wird es mir vergönnt sein / Gen Walhalla aufzufahren?-

    (Heimdalls Wacht, In kalte Schatten versunken, stanzas 4-6)

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    Part of the reason I ask, is I get the strong connection from various members of each, and they don't overlap.

    Obviously (or maybe not), by my screen name, I have the strongest connection to The Morrigan, not so uch to Freyja or Hel -- generally considered her Nordic counterparts.

    But I have a stronger connection to Tyr than Neit.

    Stronger to Brigidh than Frigga

    Strong to Skadi (though technically a giant).

    So I thought it might be best to mix the two, as I'm from tweo lines by honoring the ones with the strongest connections, not the whole pantheons of each.

    I'm also of the mind that the gods choose us, not the other way around, although that sentiment doesn't seem to flow well with neopagans or Asatru that I've seen. Though I could be wrong on that.

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    The Two Groups do not mix.......

    The Gods of the Two Pantheons, Celtic and Germanic are similar. Some say the ancient religious practices were similar.

    But, today, the Eclectic Pagans are a Mix-&-Match group of people. They borrow thw Runes from one group, A God or 2 here a Goddess or 2 or 3 there. They might throw in a little Jewish Cabala, or use the Tarot cards in their practce. They do Full Moons and/or New Moons, called Esbats. But in general they Pay Homage to the Celtic Gods and Goddesses. Their Worship is very different from a Germanic Heathen Blot or Sumbel.

    In general, American Heathen Groups, I have come into contact with, across the Country are called "German Heathens" or called "Northern Heathens".
    They do not include Celtic Religious practice, or Worship of the Celtic Gods.
    There are Celtic Pagan Groups and there are Slavic Heathen Groups. And they neither one mix with the Germanic Heathens.

    Within Germanic Heathenry you have Asatru and Theodish, as well as Anglo-Saxon Heathens.
    The Theodish and Anglo-Saxon Heathens are pretty much set apart from the rest in the Way they do Blot and Sumbel. They view the "Blot" that the rest of the Heathens do as a "Faining"

    There are many of mixed Germanic and Celtic Blood within Germanic Heathenry. But, the Germanic Gods are always the Gods that are Invoked and payed Homage to. The Toasts and Libations are made to the Germanic Gods, and no others.
    If a guest at their Blot would Lift the Horn in a Toast and Libation to a God from another Pantheon, without a preamble by way of apology, it would be frowned upon, in most circles.
    That has been the practice at every Blot, I've attended over the several years I have been attending Blot and at the several Kindreds and Groups I have visited. YMMV.

    There is a Neo-Pagan Group, called Ain Dracht Fein,(sic. spelling) or ADF, that mixes and matches Celtic and Germanic. They use some other Pagan practices also. But they are Not Reconstructionist, like the rest of Heathenry.

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    I have no problem with it, whatsoever. I think it is inevitable with many Americans, since much of our origins come from different nations. Since I have roots in Germany, Sweden, Greece, and Ireland, I honor the Hellenic, Gaelic, and Norse pantheon.

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    All those 'religions' are going back to a coherent source which got lost in the fog of the millenia.

    branches developed from this source and added or changed things according to the shifting understanding or to a new reality.

    Dumezil started the comparative mythology somewhere in the '30s of the last century and tried to filter out the common source.

    He found a lot of similarities in norse/germanic, celtic, latin, greek, iranian and indian mythology. Though he never reconstructed the source he identified many similarities, which were not one to one copies but sufficiently similar to be recognizable as such.

    As you have a somewhat mixed heritage, meaning two different ways of looking at religion you will have to find your own way. (Can one be a protestant and catholic at the same time?).

    For me I chose the God Odin and got accepted. That is the center of all of it. There are Gods around it and I study them too. I do not seek connection with those.

    Our Gods are tripartite (and that goes through all branches). Meaning we have the creator/peasant Gods (most often twins are among them Frey/Freya is the norse version of it). They create wealth and work with the Earth/nature etc. The second class is the warriors who are destroyers and defenders.
    the other class is the priest/kings/shamans. The God Odin in norse. His job is maintaining the order, for that he has to balance creation and destruction. (in norse eschatology it is his doom that the forces of destruction are going out of control ((like they are doing right now before our own eyes).

    For me as an Odin's men I have to learn and understand everything to get a good judgement and how I can influence things to maintain an order. And that includes the study of other branches/religions as well.

    The three forces are cosmic law and cannot be changed.

    Back to your question:
    I think that Odin is a separate God from all the other branches. at least I feel so. I address that God as Odin and he responds as such. I am influenced/nudged into certain direction by some sort of force which I cannot clearly identify but the direction it goes hints to an Odinic source.

    So to be practical about heathenry I suggest you choose one God and when accepted you learn what this God can give you.

    As long as you did not choose it is fine to study and test and find out. Finally one of the Gods will have stand out for you. then it is time to choose.

    Though we are not celtic but germanic on this forum I do not see a big problem as we are into racial preservation, not into a particular form of heathenry.
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