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    UK Carriers, Nuclear Submarines and Superpower Status to Be Cut from Military Budget

    A replacement of Britain's Trident nuclear deterrent will be delayed, possibly for as long as five years, the government has decided as ministers seek to save billions of pounds from the defence budget.

    David Cameron will confirm to MPs today, when he launches the strategic defence and security review, that the irreversible "maingate" decision on replacing Trident will be delayed until after the 2015 election.

    Whitehall sources said that the building of the new generation of nuclear submarines will be delayed until the mid 2020s. The decision means that the first of the new generation of nuclear submarines may not be in operation until 2028 or 2029, four to five years after the first Vanguard is due to be withdrawn in 2024. The lives of the Vanguard submarines will be prolonged to fill the gap.

    The prime minister will underline the scale of the cuts to the annual £37bn defence budget today when he announces that Britain will be without a carrier strike capability for a decade. HMS Ark Royal will be decommissioned immediately and its Harrier jump jets will be withdrawn.

    The Royal Navy will have to wait 10 years until as many as 50 new joint striker aircraft can be launched using the catapult and trap system – "cat and trap" – from the new Prince of Wales aircraft carrier. This will be the second of the new aircraft carriers to be built at a combined cost of £5.9bn. The first aircraft carrier – the Queen Elizabeth – will be in service between 2016-19 as a helicopter carrier before it is mothballed, known as "extended readiness", and possibly sold off.

    Cameron told the cabinet that the decision to abandon a carrier strike capability for 10 years – and to put the Queen Elizabeth aircraft carrier into service for just three years – was a very difficult decision. "The prime minister told the cabinet that this was one of the hardest things he has had to grapple with," one source said. Cameron later reassured Barack Obama that Britain would remain a "first rate military power and a robust ally of the US".
    http://www.guardian.co.uk/uk/2010/oc...nt-replacement

    Regardless of the assurances made to President Obama, this decision will mark a drastic fall in Great Britain's military capabilities. How will the UK undertake any form of large scale naval operation without aircraft carriers? And what are the value of nuclear missiles if there are no submarines to deliver them?
    I have before read analysts claiming that Great Britain would in 2010 be unable to retake the Falklands Islands in the same way as in 1982, but until I read this I did not believe it.

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    Britain's Naval/Military Preparedness

    As for Britain's preparedness, it could not have liberated the Falklands from the Argentinians the first time around without the help from American in flight/ship refueling systems and operations...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sindig_og_stoisk View Post
    How will the UK undertake any form of large scale naval operation without aircraft carriers?
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    Billions of pounds for only three years of service? Hard to believe that will replace a class which is cheaper than that and has served since the mid 1970s!

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    Good on David Cameron for cutting spending. Any time a government reduces their spending, someone is going to complain about what was cut; that's inevitable.

    As far as defense, none of Britain's 21st century enemies have any modern military equipment to begin with. I don't see the amorphous radical Islam movement possessing nuclear submarines anytime soon.

    And if Britain were ever seriously attacked, the United States would lend military assistance, along with the Commonwealth nations.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sindig_og_stoisk View Post
    How will the UK undertake any form of large scale naval operation without aircraft carriers?
    Why should they perform any form of large scale naval operations? WW2 is long since over, it's time to stop developing arms for use against our brother nations. If Britain's defence remains strictly territorial, that's good, everything else than that is just pure prestige.
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    Quote Originally Posted by SaxonCeorl View Post
    As far as defense, none of Britain's 21st century enemies have any modern military equipment to begin with. I don't see the amorphous radical Islam movement possessing nuclear submarines anytime soon.

    And if Britain were ever seriously attacked, the United States would lend military assistance, along with the Commonwealth nations.
    Do you really think Obama would come to Britain's aid in the case of lets say an Argentine invasion of the Falklands? I don't think so, BHO is still holding a grudge for his grandfather's detainment during the Mau Mau uprising. BHO might actually side against Britain.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Æmeric View Post
    Do you really think Obama would come to Britain's aid in the case of lets say an Argentine invasion of the Falklands? I don't think so, BHO is still holding a grudge for his grandfather's detainment during the Mau Mau uprising. BHO might actually side against Britain.
    I wouldn't exactly call an invasion of the Falklands an "attack" on Britain

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    Quote Originally Posted by SaxonCeorl View Post
    I wouldn't exactly call an invasion of the Falklands an "attack" on Britain
    Why not? It might not be the British Isles, but it is still claimed as British territory and should be treated as such. It is the same as with embassies: Legally and politically speaking, there is no difference between the mainland and the most far-flung patch of dirt. They are all British territory and the military should be able to protect and, if need be, retake them.

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    I don't think Britain should get rid of their carriers. Besides being war machines they can also be used for humanitarian needs.

    I agree with Æmeric, I would not trust what obama says. Sure he might step in if there a few starving Somali pirates and call it a major crisis. As long as these leftist are running the White House they cannot be trusted to help our allies.
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