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    Lightbulb Ny Zjaelland, The Land of Seals

    Ancient Vikings and Celtic in New Zealand
    The Maori people have waka,celtic like symbols and Gods( War,Forrest,Sky etc.)

    (Taine Rory Mhor ) Taine Ruaridh Mhor (the big cattle farmer) was delivered by three seagoing longships (birlinns?) to NZ in the 12th Century, with 95 of his family and kinfolk and followers. And sons Rory and Ruaridh. It was deliberate but not by choice. Banishment was not an uncommon feature of the times and in this case the term was for seven generations after he had been incacerated in a dungeon for three years already by his friend King Alexander I of Scotland (reigned 1107-1124AD). Both Islands of New Zealand were chosen because one of the criteria was that the land for the banishment had to be uninhabited at the time (? this seems strange). After 160 years (7 + 1 generations), Scots/Vikings (there were three ships, two of whose captains were Johansen and Christiansen - though the names are Nordic Scandinavian they were probably based in the Firth of Forth) were requested by folk in Scotland to call and see if any of Taine's people had survived. This would have been probably just after the reign of King Alexander III of Scotland (reigned 1249-1286) and during the reign of Edward I of England. He invaded Scotland in 1296. This was a turbulent time in Scotland. It was the time of Wallace, of Bruce, the battles of Stirling Bridge and Falkirk. The execution of Wallace and eventually the Coronation of Robert the Bruce and leading up to the battle of Bannockburn in 1314. Times perhaps when no-one had the time or resources to maintain communication with kinfolk a world away. So back to the story.
    Men in Taine's lineage were often well over 7 foot tall and generally had red hair, blue eyes and fair complexions. They had been provided with a very small number of sheep and cattle, and enough provisions to last three months, but no tools. Why such treatment was metted out remains the knowledge of modern descendants. The survival of Taine's group was initially in their own hands and by the will of God. Their existence was meagre. Eventually some tools were obtained by trade with visiting Portuguese, and the colony grew. It is said Taine was responsible for introducing particular trees and that there may be connection between Taine and "Tane" the name used by Maoris for the God of the forest. Taine in old Gaelic is apparently pronounced the same as Tane in Maori.

    Farlane just simply "Far Land"?
    The Clan of "Sons of the Far Land"(?).

    Historical Rocks on the Raglan coastline

    Hill forts are especially common across Europe

    The Māori people built hill forts

    How did Polynesians, without access to metal tools, fashion and shape incredibly hard greenstone or intricately carve wood in distinctly pre-Celtic patterns and styles?

    There is "evidence" of an ancient stone "city" in Waipoua

    Ancient Celts/Vikings new of and visted NZ sometime in 1200 AD

    How did Maori get dogs?

    The "Waitapu"
    standing stone circle

    dragons or horses on front ships (Viking/Celtic)
    The Maori had a monster at the front of their waka.
    (Taniwha) and Vikings have sea monsters in their mythology.

    Ancient Celtic New Zealand

    Māori chief, late 18th century

    Māori Moko in 1908

    Woad- Celtics
    Spiral symbols of Celtics

    Celtic Lady


    The light complexion, reddish hair and facial contours suggest a person of European descent. These people, who were once numerous, were referred to, by Maori, as "kiri-puwhero" (light complexioned skin) with hair that was "Uru-kehu" (reddish, golden tinged).

    Red Haired Mummies of New Zealand


    European woman 'arrived in New Zealand before Captain Cook'

    MYSTERY: A skull found on the banks of a Wairarapa river has turned out to be a Caucasian woman who died about 100 years before the area was settled by Europeans.

    Uncover the Ancients in New Zealand

    View ancient sites near Hamilton
    Revisit Ancient Celtic / Viking New Zealand (?).

    As of Late August 2000. Maori are now claiming, even in parliament, that they are suffering from "post-colonisation trauma" and this is the justifiable reason that they bash their children to death!
    Can you believe it? Let's briefly mention something far more problematic. And for relevance read the books mentioned in one of the link options at the foot of this page.
    The Treaty of Waitangi was signed in 1840 at the request of Maori chiefs and Europeans who feared for the continued existence of the tribes, sub-tribes, extended and immediate families (iwi, hapu and whanau) in the face of the Maori cannibal raiding parties, (and also from the growing interest of the French), to provide just cause for the British Crown to take control of a serious problem facing everyone in NZ. Maori warriors had been rampaging through the country armed with muskets and were destroying communities and forcing tribes to resettle in other areas of the country. This was displacement of Maori by Maori, not at this stage of Maori by the British - this did happen in time but there were huge differences. Land confiscation is totally different to stealing land from people you conquer and eat!

    The Maori warriors not only displaced other tribal communities, they enslaved them. This enslavement was even more grotesque than whatever the American Negro slaves had to endure. Do you ever recall reading where American cotton growers forced their negro slaves to do a full days work, and then sat down to consume their slaves as the main menu item for the evening meal. and make the others slaves watch as they worked their way through them. This is exactly what the Maori did to slaves and prisoners. The Maori warriors went on to murder and consume thousands of their own folk, sometimes even kinfolk! and often any Europeans caught up in their way as well. You can be assured this is no exaggeration. Often the victims were not dead before being carved up and consumed. Imagine rolling around on the ground in agony with one buttock, or maybe the muscles of your arm sliced off, and seeing someone eating it in front of you. That's right they didn't necessarily bother to wait and cook it. Don't think they used a nice sharp knife either. A piece of half blunt sea shell was quite adequate, or a flake of obsidian if you were more

    The Treaty of Waitangi, the national art museum Te Papa, the special committees set up to promote Maori with public funding. the list can go on and on.

    The term "Tara" also has celtic roots. Perhaps Taranaki is not originally a Maori name afterall?

    If These Celtic, Vikings were 7 feet and Maori were below 5'9
    then The Maori would have seen the 7 feet light eyed, light haired Armoured warriors as Gods.

    5 Aug 2008 ... The discovery of a European skull dating back more than 260 years


    Maori and Ancient Europeans have spears,spiral symbols and dragon or horses on the front of their boats and knowledge about the Earth Godess and War Gods and Sky Gods.

    In 1894 Hoani Nahe suggested that 'Pakeha' could be an abbreviation of 'Paakehakeha',gods of the ocean who had the forms of fish and man (Biggs,1988).It is said that Nahe's version was in response to Bishop W.L. Williams' comment that 'pake...ha' seemed to be an abbreviation of Pakepakeha.This theory is supported firstly by the idea that white people, like the paakehakeha, came from the sea, and secondly because the word 'paakehakeha' contains a reduplication of the maori word 'keha' meaning 'pale'(The word 'pakeha':where it comes from,what it means, 1988). According to Dr.Wyatt Gill, a golden-haired child in mangaia is called "the fair-haired progeny of Tangaroa," the great god of the sea, who himself was sandy-haired, and, having been driven out from the island, lived in distant lands with fair-haired children. The Mangaians dislike light hair, and think it suitable only to foreigners. All through the islands dark hair and complexion are looked on as the sign of strength. Clearly a fair-haired race was driven out of many, if not all, of the islands, and took to the sea again; whilst the conquering immigrants were all of brown skin and dark hair. The massacre of Captain Cook reveals the same tradition in the sandwich islands. Because of his white skin and his great ship, he seemed to fulfil their old prediction that the god RONO would return again from Tahiti, and he was accorded divine honours, and was sacrificed that he might even remain a god.

    The red hair that occasionally occurs in maori families is called URUKEHU.Such individuals are called KEHU in other islands throughout Polynesia.Red and blond haired individuals are considered in new zealand to be a cross between the maori and the turehu or patupaiarehe indicating an ancient caucasian folk once inhabited New Zealand.

    Gods of the ocean who had the forms of fish and man
    Beings with fair skin and hair who gave people the secret of fishing with nets
    Mythical, human like being, with fair skin and hair who possessed canoes made of reeds which changed magically into sailing vessels
    Originally referring to the early European settlers of New Zealand

    There have been several dubious interpretations given to the word Pākehā. One claims that it derives from poaka the Māori word for (pig), and keha, one of the Māori words for (flea), and therefore expresses derogatory implications. There is no etymological or linguistic support for this notion - like all Polynesian languages, Māori is generally very conservative in terms of vowels; it would be extremely unusual for 'pā-' to derive from 'poaka'. The more common Māori word for flea is puruhi. It is also sometimes claimed that 'Pakeha' means white pig or unwelcome white stranger. However, no part of the word signifies "pig", "white", "unwelcome", or "stranger".

    In Māori mythology, a race of pale spirit beings, the tūrehu, or pakepakehā live in the forests and mountain tops[1], and are sometimes hostile to humans.
    The Turehu, also referred to as Patupaiarehe, Ngati Hotu and the Urukehu (red heads), were resident in New Zealand when the Maori first landed[2]. These pre-Maori people, were sometimes described as fair complexioned, with red[3] or blond hair and blue eyes and pakepakehā is considered one of the possible sources[4] of the Māori word pākehā - used to refer to Europeans.
    The fierce Maori drove the Turehu away from their traditional areas, and the Turehu/Urukehu were finally wiped out or dispersed after a last stand in the Waikato region of North Island. Many Maori today can claim some Turehu descent, and reddish hair infrequently appears among Maori to this day.
    According to a story from the Ngāti Kahu tribe of the far north of the North Island of New Zealand, the Turehu live in Rangiawhiao. After the Turehu were tricked by Kahukura into showing him how fishing nets were made, some traveled to the Taranaki district in the west of the North Island of New Zealand while the others remained in Rangiawhiao but moved inland. And there they remain to this day.

    Looks like a Celt

    "You kids need to know of the Tūrehu, the fairy people. They live in these parts, they haven't been seen for many years but they're still here up in the hills, hiding in the mist."

    Pita later said he could hear a fine whistling sound, like a hollow bone when it's blown, flute sounds floating down through the valleys. They all turned, those strange people, seeming to glide effortlessly away, up over sand dunes and into the bush covered hills. We sat looking at each other until the sun rose from the sea and into the morning sky, not speaking, just thankful.
    We tried to tell the adults that ghost people had mended the nets, but they laughed and told us to get on with our work. All except Aunty Pare, she took us aside that night and listened to our story around the camp fire. She told us about the Tūrehu, the fairy people, who live on the ridges of the highest hills. "They dance in the mist," she said, "playing their bone flutes, trying to lure you away. They're spirits that haven't reached the after world and were the first to make the fishing nets used today. They won't go near cooked food or red clay and will take unsuspecting children back into the hills if they ever got the chance." That's when we knew we were very lucky.

    "No one has seen the Tūrehu as close up as we have. Sometimes just before dark or on a clear morning when the mist comes down through the valleys, you can hear them dancing and playing their spirit filled songs. As if they're calling out to lost children, singing to them, whispering in the mist, but we know better, don't we?"

    TKI - Māori Myths, Legends and Contemporary stories - T

    There are numerous stories about the emergence of human beings from the natural environment. They begin with Ranginui (the sky) and Papatūānuku (the earth), who are the parents of Tāne, the progenitor of humankind. Some versions say that mankind descends from Tūmatauenga, another child of earth and sky.
    Tāne is a celebrated figure. Among his many feats was the creation of a woman from the soil at Kurawaka. Her name was Hineahuone (the female element who comes from the soil). Hineahuone and Tāne had a daughter named Hinetītama, who also became known as Hinenui-i-te-pō. As Hinetītama, she became the custodian of the threshold between night and day, darkness and light. Hine is seen both in the morning with the birth of sunlight, and in the evening with the setting sun. It is said that these are the ancestors of human kind.

    First peoples in M

    Māui is the great trickster hero of Polynesian mythology.

    Many of the stories are legendary – the theft of fire, the capture of the sun, the pursuit of immortality, the descent into the underworld in search of his father.
    A central story about Māui tells of how he fished up the North Island of New Zealand. The South Island is referred to as Te Waka-a-Māui, or Māui’s canoe. Rakiura (Stewart Island) is the canoe’s anchor stone and it is said that Māui stood at the peninsula at Kaikōura while he hauled up his prized catch.
    My notes- ( Underworld is used in European Mythology.
    theft of fire is in Greek mythology
    Importance of the Sun is in Celtic mythology
    Trickster God is in Norse Mythology)

    Basis for settlement

    Such events are of great importance in the world view these traditions express. The tribal traditions which cite descent from or a relationship with Māui provide a basis for settlement in New Zealand. Descent from Māui is a starting point for tribal tenure of the land.
    Māui and his fish

    The following story was written by the Ngāti Porou tohunga, Mohi Ruatapu. It begins with Māui fetching the jawbone of his grandmother Muri-ranga-whenua to use as a fish hook

    Tānerore is the sun, who has two wives – Hinetakurua (winter maiden) with whom he spends winter, and Hineraumati (summer maiden) with whom he spends his summers. Similarly, Hineruhi is the quality of light at dawn and Hinemoana is the sea-maiden, progenitor of fishes and of clement seas.

    Every aspect of existence was considered in this manner – earth, sea and sky were imbued with mana, qualities and identities that the people shared an intimate relationship with. Later interpretations of this view of the world are that it was the projection of human qualities onto the natural world. In 1923 Ira Tahu, of Ngāti Porou, commented, ‘What our ancestors did was to consider the essential aspects of the world and to relate to them as if they were human. That is, they created names for these things as if they were human.

    manaauthority, power, psychic force, prestige

    Tribal accounts

    Some tribes have unique traditions about their origins in nature. Perhaps the most well-known is that of the Ngāi Tūhoe people, said to descend from the mist of the Urewera Ranges. Known as Hine-pūkohu-rangi, the mist is described as a tipuna (ancestor). From the union of Hine-pūkohu-rangi with Te Maunga (the mountain) came Pōtiki, a human who was the ancestor of Tūhoe, the founder of the tribe.
    Tumutumu-whenua (or Tuputupu-whenua) of the Te Tai Tokerau peoples is said to have emerged from under the ground. Similarly, according to tradition the Whanganui people were born from Ruapehu mountain, and it is said the Awanuiarangi tribes (Te Āti Awa and Ngāti Awa) descend from a spirit living in the sky.

    Looks like Pan from Greek Mythology

    As you know from watching Lord of the Rings, New Zealand looks like England,Scotland,Ireland,Sweden,Denmark or Norway so these White people would feel like being at Home living here.


    mokotattoo on face or body
    puhiyoung woman of rank reserved for arranged marriage; virgin
    manaauthority, power, psychic force, prestige
    kaumātuaelder, senior man or woman, community leader

    tangata whenualiterally: person or people of the land; people belonging to a tribal region; hosts as distinct from visitors
    taniwhaguardian, legendary monster
    tohungapriest; expert in traditional lore; healer
    waiatachant, song, poetry; to chant, to sing

    According to a story from the Ngāti Kahu tribe of the far north of the North Island of New Zealand, the Turehu live in Rangiawhiao. After the Turehu were tricked by Kahukura into showing him how fishing nets were made, some traveled to the Taranaki district in the west of the North Island of New Zealand while the others remained in Rangiawhiao but moved inland. And there they remain to this day.
    …were fairy-like creatures of the forests and mountain tops. Although they had some human attributes, patupaiarehe were regarded not as people but as supernatural beings (he iwi atua).
    They were seldom seen, and an air of mystery and secrecy still surrounds them. In most traditions, those who encountered patupaiarehe were able to understand their language. But in one account they were unintelligible.

    Patupaiarehe had light skin, and red or fair hair. Historian James Cowan was told that ‘they were a lighter complexion than Maori; their hair was of a dull golden or reddish hue, urukehu, such as is sometimes seen in Maori of today.’

    Mohi Tūrei of Ngāti Porou described their skin as white, albino or the colour of red ochre. Their eye colour varied from light blue to black.
    There is still debate about their height. The Tūhoe tribe records that they were small, but others say they were similar in size to humans. Whanganui stories claim them to be giants, more than 2 metres tall.
    Where did they live?

    Patupaiarehe were generally found deep in the forests, or on mist-covered hilltops. In these isolated places they settled and built their homes, sometimes described as forts. In some stories their houses and pā were built from swirling mist. In others, they were made from kareao (supplejack vine).
    In the North Island they were said to live mainly in the Waikato-Waipā basin, the Cape Colville-Te Aroha range, the hills about Rotorua, the Urewera ranges and Wairoa districts, and the Waitākere ranges in the Auckland region.
    South Island traditions had them living mainly in the hills around Lyttelton Harbour, Akaroa and the Tākitimu range, and in the hills between the Arahura River and Lake Brunner.
    What kind of people were they?

    Patupaiarehe society was kinship-based, similar to Māori society. In 1894 Hoani Nahe, an elder of the Ngāti Maru people, recalled three sub-tribes of patupaiarehe: Ngāti Kura, Ngāti Korakorako, and Ngāti Tūrehu. Tahurangi, Whanawhana, and Nukupori were important chiefs. They were generally a closed group who shunned intruders, and were unfriendly to those who ventured into their midst.
    Patupaiarehe were hunters and gatherers, surviving on raw forest foods and sometimes fishing from the shores of the sea or a lake. Their canoes were made of kōrari (flax stalks). Cooked food was offensive or foul to them. In different traditions, albino birds and eels, red flax and red eels were considered their property, and trouble befell Māori who took any of these.
    Fearing the light, they were active mainly in the twilight hours and at night, or when the mist was heavy enough to shield them. They wore flax garments (pākērangi), dyed red, but also rough mats (pora or pūreke). They were also known for playing kōauau and pūtōrino (flutes).
    Their village lay across a bridge of white mist.

    Origins of Maori

    Ancestors of today’s Maori people of New Zealand originated from different parts of the world
    Ancestors of today’s Maori people of New Zealand originated from different parts of the world

    News in Science - Maori men and women from different homelands - 27/03/2003


    Hawaiki - The significance of Hawaiki - Te Ara Encyclopedia of New Zealand

    Hawaiki is a rich, many-sided place in Māori history, mythology and tradition. It is often referred to in songs, proverbs and genealogies. For example, parents welcome their newborn children with the phrase:
    E taku pōtiki, kua **** mai rā koe i te toi i Hawaiki.
    My child, you are born from the source, which is at Hawaiki.
    Similarly, orators farewell the dead with the phrase:
    E ngā mate, haere ki Hawaiki,
    Ki Hawaiki nui, ki Hawaiki roa, ki Hawaiki pāmamao.
    To the dead, depart to Hawaiki,
    To great Hawaiki, to long Hawaiki, to distant Hawaiki.
    Hawaiki is the place from which we are born, and it is where we go after we die. Hawaiki, therefore, is deeply associated with the cycle of birth, life and death.

    Creation stories

    Mysterious things happen in Hawaiki: people turn into birds, fish gather in armies, people descend to the underworld and ascend to the heavens. Hawaiki is a paradise where the gods live and perform miraculous deeds. The story of the creation of Hawaiki has been described by the Reverend Māori Marsden:
    In the night regions of soft light, Io established the several Hawaiki: Hawaiki-nui, Hawaiki-roa, Hawaiki-pāmamao, Hawaiki-tapu (great Hawaiki, extensive Hawaiki, far distant Hawaiki, and sacred Hawaiki) in which Io chose to dwell with his divine assistants. The Hawaiki became the abode of gods and heroes. But no one, other gods included, could enter Hawaiki-tapu for it was sacred to Io. The other Hawaiki were also sacred and in ancient times were not mentioned in common talk except by oblique reference as Tawhiti-nui, Tawhiti-roa, Tawhiti-pāmamao

    Another story holds that the creation of the first human took place in Hawaiki. Here is the account of Hūkiki Te Ahukaramū of Ōtaki:
    Ka awatea te rā, ka mea a Tāne-nui-a-rangi, ki te wahine māna. Ka kī atu a Papa, ‘Haere ki a Hine-tua-oni, ahuahua e koe kia whakatangatatia.’ … Ka mahia, kātahi ka **** mai hei tangata.<A id=ref2 shape=rect name=ref2> 2
    Day came forth and Tāne-great-of-the-heavens desired that he should have a woman. Earth said to him, ‘Go to Hine-tua-oni, there to fashion a human.’ … He worked these items and fashioned a human.

    Like Hawaiki, Rangiātea is seen as both a physical place and a spiritual realm – the fount of wisdom about the nature of existence. In the myth that describes Tāne’s ascent to the 12th heaven, Tāne received the baskets of knowledge from Io, the supreme being. These baskets were suspended within a building called Rangiātea. Hence, Rangiātea is said to be the first whare wānanga (house of higher learning).

    Modern science and practical testing of theories
    Until recently[update], many anthropologists had doubts that the canoe-legends described a deliberate migration, preferring to believe that the migration occurred accidentally when seafarers became lost and drifted to uninhabited shores. In 1947 Thor Heyerdahl sailed the Kon-Tiki, a balsa-wood raft, from South America into the Pacific in an attempt to show that humans could have settled Polynesia from the eastern shores of the Pacific Ocean, with sailors using the prevailing winds and simple construction techniques.
    However, DNA, linguistic, botanical, and archaeological evidence indicates that the Austronesian-speaking peoples (including the Polynesians) probably originated from islands in eastern Asia, possibly from Taiwan,[2][3] and moved southwards and eastwards through the South Pacific Ocean. The common ancestry of all the Austronesian languages of which the Polynesian languages form a major subgroup, supports this theory. The sweet potato, which is of South American origin, is widely cultivated in Polynesia, indicating that some interaction between the people must have taken place. However, no Polynesian crops were introduced into the Americas, and there is no evidence of Polynesian settlement. This evidence indicates that at least some of the migration occurred against the prevailing winds, and hence deliberately rather than just accidentally. Austronesian and Polynesian navigators may have deduced the existence of uninhabited islands by observing migratory patterns of birds.

    Hawaiki - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

    Aryan-Polynesian Theories and the Central Lineage Concept

    Aryan-Polynesian Theories and the Central Lineage Concept - Skadi Forum

    ''These peculiarities are probably reflective of
    the history of settlement. It is possible that the
    early population that arose from the mixing of
    Southeast Asians and Melanesians spoke an
    Austronesian language.''

    Maori origins

    “Maori Origins, Y-Chromosome Haplotypes and Implications for Human History in the Pacific”
    Underhill, P. A., Passarino, G., Lin, A. A., Marzuki, S., Cavalli-Sforza, L. L. and Chambers, G.
    Human Mutation, 2001, volume 17, pages 271-280

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    Back to Pre Maori New Zealand

    Pre Maori inhabitants of New Zealand from Peru?

    The Waitaha nation goes back 2000 years. This wall is much older even than that" says Barry Brailsford, MBE,(author, the 'Tattooed Land', 'Greenstone Trails', 'Song of Waitaha', 'Song of the Stone') - commenting on the Kaimanawa Forest's ancient wall

    Kaimanawa Forest's ancient wall

    Did 200 tribes of the Waitaha Nation settle in NZ 2,000 years ago, and were they decimated by the Maori 800 years ago, in an eerie foretaste of the Maori massacre of the Moriori in the Chathams? In the early 1990's Doug Sutton, Auckland University archaelogist, suggested that human beings were living in New Zealand millenia before Maori.

    The image above shows blocks, some weighing tonnes, deep in the Kaimanawa Ranges. The four visible stones are a uniform 1.9 metres wide by 1.6 metres tall, and 1 metre wide. The faces are smooth, with no saw or adze marks, and the interfaces are knife-blade thin.

    Further up the hill, the tops of other stones protrude (see the graphic below) and where the blocks would be buried creates a uniform structure, with a touchstone before the tiered structure.

    The "Song of Waitaha" was a release to the world of secret traditions, geneology, and history, as told to the author by Waitaha elders, asserts Barry Brailsford.

    Brailsford says he had to earn the right. Before beginning work on the book he had to lead a selected team of people across the Southern Alps to reopen old Waitaha greenstone trails closed for 130 years.

    He had to undertake journeys which took him into the North American desert to light "trail fires" (which resulted in Wallace Black Elk, leader of the Sioux people, turning up unexpectedly on Mr Brailsford's Christchurch doorstep) and, on another journey, deliver greenstone to the 12 American Indian nations. He also visited megalithic sites in England, Scotland and Wales.

    "Until now we have hidden our beginnings, and all that followed, in the shadows. In this way we protected our knowledge in the silence of the Whare Wananga, the School of Learning of Waitaha."

    "For it has been decided it is time for our treasures to be brought into the light."

    "We do this for the children, and their children, and all who call this land home."

    "We are of Tane Matua, and we follow Rongo Marae Roa, the God of Peace."

    "In the wisdom and aroha (love) of those words, we say: `Let the sacred kete (basket containing sacred knowledge) be opened for the ancestors to speak again. Let the ancient karakia and waiata be heard throughout the land. Welcome to the trails of the peoples of the Nation of Waitaha. May you journey far in peace and understanding."

    The history of the Nation, according to the author, begins with a man, Kiwa and a woman, Hotu Matua, both great sailors/navigators. They meet at Waitangi Ki Roto, or Easter Island.

    "Kiwa was of the Uru Kehu people, Hotu Matua of the Maoriori. He was short and fair skinned, while she was tall and dark; his hair was fired by the colours of the sun and hers the black of night; his eyes reflected the blue waters of the sea and hers the brown of the earth."

    Eventually they had a grandson, Maui,
    "a nanakia child; one who pushes against the wind, challenges the incoming tide, and asks questions that probe behind questions never asked before. In his huge mind and soaring spirit he faced the world with the courage and audacity to bargain with the Gods for the benefit of the people."

    Maui is well known in Maori tradition as the discoverer of New Zealand. The histories relate that he journeyed three times, not once, to New Zealand however, discovering in sequence the North Island, the South Island and Stewart Island - the fish, the waka and the anchor. Maui then returned to Easter Island, promising one day to return. For about 200 years the Waitaha travelled to New Zealand, each time leaving settlers, and then eventually a founding waka arrived with 175 people.

    However, when elders foresaw the destruction of their peace-loving nation by later arrivals of Maori, and whole generations of their genealogy were to be "erased" -- the knowledge was not shared outside the Waitaha, to protect the sacredness of their ancestors from violence and warfare

    The Waitaha comprised three different peoples: The Moriori, or Maeroero, who at the time were giants, over l.8m and superb gardeners, able to grow the kumara 1000 km further south than in its South American homeland.

    Herries Beattie describes them in Nga Waka Press Release I,
    "... among the first, if not the very first, residents in the South Island. They were here before Maui sailed round from Bruce Bay to Kaikoura between the years 400-450 AD ... they were a kindly people, not bloodthirsty or pugnacious, and timidly fled to the wilds before the advance of later arrivals. They were musical and could play flutes and sing, and the smoke of their fires marked their presence in out-of-the-way spots."

    Then there were the Urukehu, a fair-skinned people also known as the Starwalkers who were skilled at reading the geometry of the stars and were the navigators guiding the people to this land; and the Kiritea or Stone people, who came from Asian lands and who carried the greenstone over mountain passes.

    The Waitaha, claiming that they pre-empt the Maori of course challenge the Waitangi Tribunal. Waitaha leader Rangimarie Te Maiharoa says the settlement will "extinguish customary rights and aboriginal title of our people".

    Then in 1997 an ancient carving now being held at the Dargaville Maritime Museum, in Northland, was announced to the public. The carving - kept secret since its discovery six years ago - was restored at Auckland University.

    Museum curator and renowned historian Noel Hilliam says the rare 2.7m female carving is Waitaha and was found in sand dunes at North Head on Kaipara Harbour by a local woman. Patrick Ruka, Waitaha kaumatua, named it Pouto Ki Rongo Maraeroa.

    Particularly tantalising is a buried Waitaha village in the Kaipara dunes - it first made an appearance several years ago when a fierce storm temporarily shifted sand. Only to return and cover it up again.

    Barry Brailsford has said simply,
    "Ten years ago when I was called to write the story of Waitaha I was told by the elders that I would be challenged by Maori who did not want the story revealed, by Pakeha in the academic world who would not believe it, and by others who would walk with their own agendas."

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    Tuatha da Danann

    The History of the Red Haired Race - Tuatha De Danaan

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    Mummies Of White People Discovered All Over The World

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    The History of the Red Haired Race and the Tribe of Dann

    Tribe of Dan and the Red Haired Race

    The Megalithic Sites of Northern New Zealand
    have been possibly deciphered by Martin Doutré
    as marking Taurus and the Hyades
    as shown in his map below to the left
    (we have added the possible stars next to Doutrés map
    in our drawing to the right and have added the corroborating
    ancient Ngapuhi legend, reproduced in part below

    Oceania Australia New Zealand Megaliths Deciphered Megalithic Sites

    Megalithic New Zealand part 1

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    The discovery of a yellowing, cracked skull on a riverbank in New Zealand’s North Island had baffled scientists.

    Their research has shown the skull belonged to a European woman who lived about 270 years ago – a century before the first known arrival of white settlers in the country.

    Even an inquest into the woman’s death has failed to solve the mystery.

    Coroner John Kershaw, sitting in the town of Masterton, 50 miles from Wellington, decided after hearing expert opinions at the inquest that the skull belonged to a European woman aged between 40 and 45.

    ‘This suggests that the deceased was alive somewhere in the South Wairarapa region (north-east of Wellington) in or about 1740,’ said Mr Kershaw.

    Mr Kershaw said despite radiocarbon dating of the skull, historians had reported that the region was not settled by Europeans until after the New Zealand Company sent settlers to Wellington in 1840

    But in fact, as every true Maori Kaumatua or Tohunga knows and will probably tell you, if you ask politely enough, Europeans have occupied New Zealand, constantly, for many thousands of years and were, once, the core population of the country before the arrival of Polynesian/ Melanesian Maori. The old Maori Kaumatuas, who were properly trained in the wharewaanangas or at the feet of the elders, memorised the oral histories handed down from their distant forebears. This was no small task or accomplishment and it took the alert minds of the most gifted children, coupled with tremendous discipline, to learn the histories by song or cadence rhythm and keep them alive. Oral traditions have to be memorised perfectly and are, generally, very reliable. Many regional oral histories have been recorded and are available in the history books of the last 200-years.
    Generation upon generation of old Kaumatuas and Kuias have always acknowledged the existence of the kiri puwhero (light complexion, reddish skinned) and uru-kehu (light coloured, golden tinged or reddish hair) taniwha races (the pre-Maori stonebuilders). It is only the lately trained corporate kaumatuas, with a degree in business management or law, who have, all-too-conveniently, forgotten who the actual Tangata Whenua (Lords of the soil) of New Zealand truly are. The ruined stone structures and highly visible landscape excavations of the stonebuilders dot our countryside in their thousands and many of these structures relate to astronomy, just like in Britain or Continental Europe and the Mediterranean.
    Virtually everything one sees in Maori culture has been derived from the earlier kiri-puwhero and uru-kehu stonebuilders, as the spoils of war and conquest by the Maori warriors, who, subsequently, annihilated the earlier people.
    The name Turehu, from whom Maori acknowledge they learned the art of "Moko", the "Haka" dance and many other cultural expressions, describes a large sub-group of the kiri-puwhero, uru-kehu races, which came under an umbrella term or name of Patu-paiarehe. Other names for these people were Pakepakeha, Maruiwi, Ngati-Hotu, etc. In fact, remnants of the Ngati-Hotu survived into colonial times and were also called Te whanau o Rangi…or the children of heaven.

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    Thank you for these interesting pieces of information, but please keep in mind that Skadi Forum is more a discussion board than a link collection. While giving links and using references to support your point of view is totally fine and in order, it would be appreciated if you could summarize the essence of your position with your own words.
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