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    Quote Originally Posted by EQ Fighter View Post
    I beg to differ.

    China, North Korea, Vietnam, Laos, Cuba
    all had "Russian Advisers" which established them as communist nations.

    Hell the North Koreans even had white Russian, pilots flying the Migs against US Saber jets during the Korean War.

    I guarantee you plenty of US Cold Warriors would disagree with your assumption that no Jews were involved in those countries.
    I got a clear suspicion what actual ethnicity of the advisers was.
    Anyway, the Communist take-overs in those countries have been hardly the result of spontaneous peasant revolts.

    Quote Originally Posted by EQ Fighter View Post
    Jews have almost always been the ring leaders, for Marxist movements, and that includes Marx himself.

    I will grant you though that they do not form the body of idiots that propagate it, beyond its point of conception.
    Please People, keep the focus on the case of South Africa and Gill Marcus. I'd be able to cite one prominent White Marxist and this was Braam Fischer. But he was an isolated figure in his community. As for the Jews, and they formed the bulk of non-Black Communists, they were for the biggest part respected members within the Jewish community. And that's something the Gill Marcus article does indicated very well. At one stage the entire South African Jewish Board of Deputies consisted of Communists, but I would have to look this up to get you proof for this.
    "And God proclaims as a first principle to the rulers, and above all else, that there is nothing which they should so anxiously guard, or of which they are to be such good guardians, as of the purity of the race. They should observe what elements mingle in their offspring;..." Plato Politeia

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    Originally Posted by Horagalles
    Please People, keep the focus on the case of South Africa and Gill Marcus.
    Fair enough.

    While it is fair game to condemn Jewish leftists for undermining apartheid there is another side to the shekel. As you may be aware, after the Yom Kippur War Israel became arguably South Africa's closest ally and may have even offered to sell Pretoria nuclear weapons. It wasn't until 1987 that Israel finally imposed the trade embargo, but only AFTER the European Community and US had done so (the EC did it first, and the US only did it after a liberal Congress overcame a Reagan veto. The US is to be commended for a number of UN Security Council vetoes protecting South Africa). Indeed, that they did so was mostly a result of the actions of key members of Congress who suggested failure to apply the embargo might result in suspension of US foreign aid. It's to be observed that the mullahs in Iran were supporters of the ANC.

    Israel had been a critic of South Africa in the 60's but only after Sharpsville.

    And since it is close in proximity I suppose it's worth noting that Rhodesia was founded with heavy Jewish financial backing, particularly due to Cecil Rhodes' close relationship to the Rothschilds.

    Just one of several pieces I could post here.

    http://www.globalresearch.ca/index.php?context=va&aid=19343

    Israel and South Africa's Apartheid Regime: a Marriage of Convenience and Military Might
    Secret documents revealing offer to sell nuclear warheads to South Africa cast fresh light on alliance


    by Chris McGreal

    It's the relationship that never was. Kept to the shadows, it was shielded behind secret agreements and disinformation that dressed up military cooperation as mining deals.



    But when the spotlight occasionally flickered over one of the most intimate and enduring alliances of the postwar years, Israel was quick to underplay its deep military ties with apartheid South Africa as nothing more than a necessity of survival without a flicker of ideological affinity.



    But as is shown by Sasha Polakow-Suransky's book, The Unspoken Alliance, that relationship went beyond mere convenience.



    For years after its birth, Israel was publicly critical of apartheid and sought to build alliances with the newly independent African states through the 1960s.



    But after the 1973 Yom Kippur war, African governments increasingly came to look on the Jewish state as another colonialist power. The government in Jerusalem cast around for new allies and found one in Pretoria. For a start, South Africa was already providing the yellowcake essential for building a nuclear weapon.



    By 1976, the relationship had changed so profoundly that South Africa's prime minister, John Vorster, could not only make a visit to Jerusalem but accompany Israel's two most important leaders, Yitzhak Rabin and Shimon Peres, to the city's Holocaust memorial to mourn the six million Jews murdered by the Nazis.



    Neither Israeli appears to have been disturbed by the fact that Vorster had been an open supporter of Hitler, a member of South Africa's fascist and violently antisemitic Ossewabrandwag and that he was interned during the war as a Nazi sympathiser.



    Rabin hailed Vorster as a force for freedom and at a banquet toasted "the ideals shared by Israel and South Africa: the hopes for justice and peaceful coexistence".



    A few months later, the South African government's yearbook described the two countries having one thing in common above all else: "They are both situated in a predominantly hostile world inhabited by dark peoples."



    A year earlier, Israel had offered to sell South Africa nuclear warheads.



    "South Africa's leaders yearned for a nuclear deterrent – which they believed would force the west to intervene on their behalf if Pretoria were ever seriously threatened – and the Israeli proposition put that goal within reach," Polakow-Suransky says in the book.



    The deal did not go through but there was plenty of other cooperation in the development of military technology.



    Alon Liel, a former Israeli ambassador to Pretoria who headed his foreign ministry's South Africa desk in the 80s, once told the Guardian that gold-rich South Africa funded the joint military projects and Israel provided much of the technical knowledge.



    "After 1976, there was a love affair between the security establishments of the two countries and their armies," he said. "We were involved in Angola as consultants to the [South African] army. You had Israeli officers there cooperating with the army. The link was very intimate."



    By the late 1970s, South Africa was Israel's single largest customer for weapons.



    Polakow-Suransky establishes that the relationship was so intimate that in the mid-1970s, South Africa lifted the safeguards supposed to govern how the yellowcake was used to prevent nuclear proliferation.



    In return, Israel sent South Africa 30 grams of tritium, which gives thermonuclear weapons the boost to their explosive power. The delivery was enough to build several atomic bombs, which South Africa did in the coming years.



    Peres was central to the relationship. He was defence minister at the time of Vorster's visit to Jerusalem and twice served as prime minister during the 1980s as the alliance with the apartheid government solidified.



    Five years ago, I asked him about the morality of ties with the white regime.



    "Every decision is not between two perfect situations. Every choice is between two imperfect alternatives. At that time the movement of black South Africa was with (PLO leader Yasser) Arafat against us. Actually, we didn't have much of a choice. But we never stopped denouncing apartheid. We never agreed with it," he said



    And a man like Vorster?



    "I wouldn't put him on the list of the greatest leaders of our time," said Peres.



    Yet attempts by the man who is now Israel's president to portray his country as forced in to a reluctant alliance with an ideological foe are undermined by his enthusiastic expressions of common ideals.



    In 1974, Peres wrote to the South African information minister, Eschel Rhoodie, speaking of the "unshakeable foundations of our common hatred of injustice and our refusal to submit to it".



    Peres was not alone. Rafael Eitan, the former Israeli military chief of staff, was among those who spoke of his sympathy for the white regime's position. So did Ariel Sharon, the future prime minister.



    In the late 80s, as international pressure on the apartheid government grew, Israel's political leadership decided it was time to retreat. But Liel said that the security establishment balked.



    "When we came to the crossroads in 86-87, in which the foreign ministry said we have to switch from white to black, the security establishment said, 'You're crazy, it's suicidal'. They were saying we wouldn't have military and aviation industries unless we had had South Africa as our main client from the mid-1970s; they saved Israel. By the way, it's probably true," he said.






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    Well Joe, your fluffy little jews vehemently deny such a relationship:

    Although the Guardian provides documentary “proof” of attempted nuclear collaboration, which shows the signatures of then South African defense minister alongside his Israeli counterpart, the Israeli statement declares: "There exists no Israeli document or Israeli signature on a document that such negotiations took place."
    Here is a statistic on SA's trading partners through isolation:

    Israel is widely accused of having been out of step with international trends by continuing to trade with South Africa in the eighties. Yet in 1986, while apartheid was suffering worldwide opprobrium, South Africa’s main trading partners were, U.S.A. - $3.4 billion, Japan - $2.9 billion, Germany- $2.8 billion, U.K. - $2.6 billion. In defending Britain’s position at the time, Sir Alec Douglas Home referred to Britain's heavy investment in South Africa and the strategic importance of naval facilities at Simonstown.

    By comparison, Israel’s puny $200 million total trade with South Africa amounted to less than 1% of South Africa's total trade.

    ...

    The following is a sampling of the detailed list of arms supplies to South Africa provided by the Stockholm International Peace Research Institute (SIPRI):

    · UK 14 Westland Wasp helicopters supplied in 1973 and 1974
    · France 38 Mirage fighter aircraft supplied in 1974 and 1975
    · Jordan 717 Tigercat missiles suppplied in 1974
    · Italy 80 military aircraft supplied in 1974
    · UK 41 Centurion tanks supplied in 1974
    · France 48 AS-12 air to surface missiles supplied in 1975
    · France 2 submarines supplied in 1975
    · France 2040 air to surface missiles supplied between 1976-1983
    · Italy 96 Impala counter insurgency equipment between 1976-1983
    · Spain 60 Centurion tanks supplied in 1979.
    http://forums.skadi.net/showthread.php?t=130125

    Furthermore it is no secret (atleast not to Afrikaners on this forum) that the "Apartheid regime" was infiltrated and subverted via the Broederbond whom parted form a bond with their brothers for a bond with international capital...
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    Although the word "Commando" was wrongly used to describe all Boer soldiers, a commando was a unit formed from a particular district. None of the units was organized in regular companies, battalions or squadrons. The Boer commandos were individualists who were difficult to control, resented formal discipline or orders, and earned a British jibe that"every Boer was his own general".

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    Quote Originally Posted by Joe McCarthy View Post
    Fair enough.

    While it is fair game to condemn Jewish leftists for undermining apartheid there is another side to the shekel. As you may be aware, after the Yom Kippur War Israel became arguably South Africa's closest ally and may have even offered to sell Pretoria nuclear weapons. It wasn't until 1987 that Israel finally imposed the trade embargo, but only AFTER the European Community and US had done so (the EC did it first, and the US only did it after a liberal Congress overcame a Reagan veto. The US is to be commended for a number of UN Security Council vetoes protecting South Africa). ...
    Arguably not an ally, but a bed-mate by which South Africa was done over.
    Except that the countries had relatively normal trade relations, South Africa was one of two countries in Africa that still had normal diplomatic relations with Israel. And as for being done over, this I directly relate to the alleged nuclear cooperation. In fact, how I see it, Israel tried to climb into bed with South Africa for obtaining weapons-grade uranium/nuclear materials by offering the South Africans outdated nuclear information.

    For the rest I conclude with Grimner.
    "And God proclaims as a first principle to the rulers, and above all else, that there is nothing which they should so anxiously guard, or of which they are to be such good guardians, as of the purity of the race. They should observe what elements mingle in their offspring;..." Plato Politeia

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    Originally Posted by Grimner
    Israel is widely accused of having been out of step with international trends by continuing to trade with South Africa in the eighties. Yet in 1986, while apartheid was suffering worldwide opprobrium, South Africa’s main trading partners were, U.S.A. - $3.4 billion, Japan - $2.9 billion, Germany- $2.8 billion, U.K. - $2.6 billion
    It's hardly surprising that Israel would trail much larger states in trading receipts. The UK and US tended to stand by South Africa in part due to trade links and foreign investment in the country.

    · France 38 Mirage fighter aircraft supplied in 1974 and 1975
    · France 48 AS-12 air to surface missiles supplied in 1975
    · France 2 submarines supplied in 1975
    · France 2040 air to surface missiles supplied between 1976-1983
    Yes, the French are often mentioned as a notable arms supplier.

    Furthermore it is no secret (atleast not to Afrikaners on this forum) that the "Apartheid regime" was infiltrated and subverted via the Broederbond whom parted form a bond with their brothers for a bond with international capital...
    You can probably thank capital for apartheid lasting as long as it did. Had there not been so much foreign investment from the UK and US, South Africa would have sunk much sooner.

    Well Joe, your fluffy little jews vehemently deny such a relationship:
    Well, how shocking! I'd fully expect Israel to come right out and admit they offered to sell South Africa nukes! LOL.
    Last edited by Blod og Jord; Thursday, October 21st, 2010 at 10:37 PM. Reason: lowbrow comments, insults

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    Quote Originally Posted by Joe McCarthy View Post
    It's hardly surprising that Israel would trail much larger states in trading receipts. The UK and US tended to stand by South Africa in part due to trade links and foreign investment in the country.
    Stand by South Africa? No the US and UK where after the same thing the jews where, as you seem to forget that your country is run by jews and have been for a very long time. Thus your purpose and theirs is in lock step.

    Quote Originally Posted by Joe McCarthy View Post
    Yes, the French are often mentioned as a notable arms supplier.
    Yes the French, bla bla bla, they sell them, you build it yourselves, we buy them same shit.

    Quote Originally Posted by Joe McCarthy View Post
    You can probably thank capital for Apartheid lasting as long as it did. Had there not been so much foreign investment from the UK and US, South Africa would have sunk much sooner.
    O' is this right, what your jew masters put in they will always take out, with interest, as is the case today in my insignificant shithole African country.

    there’s so much of info on the internet but there’s lots if disinformation as well, these people control up to 96% of the worlds media but they’re having a hard time controlling the flow of info on the internet so they have their people to confuse you with lies mixed in with the truth to confuse you & create doubt.
    The above quote (pertaining to you if you missed it) was written by an Indian whom was raised under Apartheid and yet he can say the following:

    Soon a time will come when even the internet will be totally under their control- so make the most of it while you can.
    Inform as many people as you can because if we don’t know whats really going on & who is really pulling the strings in the first place, we are much more easier to manipulate and deceive .
    im an indian & i used to hate the NP- but i always remember that many times on the news , when there was any bombing, murder, violence etc, the reporter would say that the police suspect a third force??
    http://forums.skadi.net/showthread.p...52#post1035152

    Thus, this Indian is far less hostile to my and Skadi’s Germanic heritage and preservation.


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    Last edited by Blod og Jord; Saturday, October 30th, 2010 at 06:10 PM. Reason: lowbrow, personal comments
    Although the word "Commando" was wrongly used to describe all Boer soldiers, a commando was a unit formed from a particular district. None of the units was organized in regular companies, battalions or squadrons. The Boer commandos were individualists who were difficult to control, resented formal discipline or orders, and earned a British jibe that"every Boer was his own general".

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