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    Atheism And The West

    Atheism is a luxory of western culture and general independent thought that comes from within western civilization.

    Atheism is a product of western philosophy and the western rational empirical mind.

    There is a reason why atheism within all it's tenets, ideas, and entire structure is purely western because only within western civilization was it allowed to flourish not to mention does it still flourish the most in population density to this day within western societies as well.

    Why the modern atheist dominantly embraces liberal politics and multiculturalism is beyond me.

    The rest of the world largely is religious where by allowing them within western nations to think they will cherish or even tolerate atheism and atheists is comical considering everywhere else in the world atheists are vehemently persecuted to great extraordinary lengths.

    If Islam was to take over Europe atheists everywhere in Europe might as well forgo hiding because in a sense to Islam there is nothing worse than that of a atheist that denies the entire existence of god altogether where the common atheist is hated more than the European Christian or any other religious group within Europe.

    If atheism wishes to survive as a scholarly and intellectual movement it is in it's best interests to preserve western civilization whereas in order to do this liberal politics along with the embracement of multiculturalism must be completely rejected.

    [ You cannot allow the hand that allows you to exist in the first place be under threat and essentially with many modern atheists rejecting conservative and cultural tradition a majority of atheists have done this exactly.]

    I think it is time that more and more atheists come to this same conclusion where they come to support conservative or cultural traditions instead of abandoning them looking upon them as trivial superficialities of our past.

    I think it is time atheists everywhere re-examine themselves on their view of culture, race, and tradition instead of rejecting such assemblances senselessly.

    Like anybody else atheists everywhere have a shared collective history where it is in our best interests to protect that collective history at greath lengths.

    As atheists we need to cherish our historical cultural past, present, and future for it is within our western societies that our philosophy was developed where it was nowhere else.
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    I have many friends who are atheist and do not embrace these left ideas at all. I think that this phenomenon of leftist atheists is mainly a US thing and is found to a lesser extend in European countries.

    I personally believe that a reasonable part of the atheists today are atheist because it's the new "cool thing to be" in the same way that being a fan of multiculturalism is the "cool thing to do".

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    The Reformation and the Protestant faith must be thanked for it's development of the Freethinkers and Atheism. Without such progresive steps ...... self-guilt folk would still be enslaved to the Catholic faith.

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    Quote Originally Posted by King Sitric View Post
    The Reformation and the Protestant faith must be thanked for it's development of the Freethinkers and Atheism. Without such progresive steps ...... self-guilt folk would still be enslaved to the Catholic faith.
    Of course atheism has it's roots much earlier than that as we can find the first proponents of atheists in ancient Greece around a wide range of ancient Greek philosophers.

    It was ancient Greece and the emergence of western philosophical traditions that gave rise to atheism.

    Iocc said:

    I have many friends who are atheist and do not embrace these left ideas at all. I think that this phenomenon of leftist atheists is mainly a US thing and is found to a lesser extend in European countries.

    I personally believe that a reasonable part of the atheists today are atheist because it's the new "cool thing to be" in the same way that being a fan of multiculturalism is the "cool thing to do".
    A great deal of atheists even intellectual ones embrace racial nihilism siding with multiculturalism under the mental approach that nothing matters where anything and everything goes.

    If you take nihilism to it's core they are right in that nothing does matter however what they fail to understand is that atheism is steeped in western philosophical tradition where the rest of the foreign world is steeped in ultra religionism by which having them immigrate in mass in our nations they will not tolerate atheism so much at all hence why us atheists need to be more mindful and must preserve our western cultural traditions for our very disbelief is very much apart of western European culture.

    All of us atheists that actually wish to preserve western European culture must face off and challenge those atheists of the other side that are proned to racial cultural nihilism.

    We must show them the error and destructive nature of their ways for their carelessness towards the subject or at the very least we must neutralize their arguements.
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    Quote Originally Posted by AlaricLachlan View Post
    Atheism is a luxory of western culture and general independent thought that comes from within western civilization.

    Atheism is a product of western philosophy and the western rational empirical mind.

    There is a reason why atheism within all it's tenets, ideas, and entire structure is purely western because only within western civilization was it allowed to flourish not to mention does it still flourish the most in population density to this day within western societies as well.
    There may be some Western philosophy with atheist elements, but I see Eastern philosophy with more atheistic elements than the West. Even when philosophers tried to ignore God in a religious since, they ended up coming back to one in a philosophical since (Descartes, for example).

    Quote Originally Posted by AlaricLachlan View Post
    Why the modern atheist dominantly embraces liberal politics and multiculturalism is beyond me.
    Because there is nothing cultural or traditional about atheism. It's the reject of established morals and values. Atheism itself is universalist. It transcends all cultural bounds.

    Quote Originally Posted by AlaricLachlan View Post
    The rest of the world largely is religious where by allowing them within western nations to think they will cherish or even tolerate atheism and atheists is comical considering everywhere else in the world atheists are vehemently persecuted to great extraordinary lengths.
    In a sense, Buddhism is "atheist".

    Quote Originally Posted by AlaricLachlan View Post
    If Islam was to take over Europe atheists everywhere in Europe might as well forgo hiding because in a sense to Islam there is nothing worse than that of a atheist that denies the entire existence of god altogether where the common atheist is hated more than the European Christian or any other religious group within Europe.
    Islam is not as bad as you think. The fundamentalist are exploited in the media. You can find Christians (like my family) who are just as bad.

    Quote Originally Posted by AlaricLachlan View Post
    If atheism wishes to survive as a scholarly and intellectual movement it is in it's best interests to preserve western civilization whereas in order to do this liberal politics along with the embracement of multiculturalism must be completely rejected.

    [You cannot allow the hand that allows you to exist in the first place be under threat and essentially with many modern atheists rejecting conservative and cultural tradition a majority of atheists have done this exactly.]
    Liberal politics and multiculturalism are at the roots of atheism in the modern world.

    Quote Originally Posted by AlaricLachlan View Post
    I think it is time that more and more atheists come to this same conclusion where they come to support conservative or cultural traditions instead of abandoning them looking upon them as trivial superficialities of our past.
    This is one aspect of atheism. That it doesn't support said traditions.

    Quote Originally Posted by AlaricLachlan View Post
    I think it is time atheists everywhere re-examine themselves on their view of culture, race, and tradition instead of rejecting such assemblances senselessly.

    Like anybody else atheists everywhere have a shared collective history where it is in our best interests to protect that collective history at greath lengths.

    As atheists we need to cherish our historical cultural past, present, and future for it is within our western societies that our philosophy was developed where it was nowhere else.
    Read Ride the Tiger: Surival Manual for the Aristocrats of the Soul by Julius Evola, and you'll see a new light on atheism.

    I used to be an atheist, I don't deny and do embrace my transformation, because it's starting new. You rid yourself of what you see as a negative. I still hold some of those views, but now on a spiritual plane. I was highly influenced by Ayn Rand, especially after reading The Fountainhead. This heightened my individualism. Eventually I got interested in the Temple of Set and then the Church of Satan and other left-hand path philosophy. My interest in the occult put a new twist on my idea of individualism, and my philosophy had the aspect of elevating one's self to a god like status, and that the individual is a very powerful being. Eventually my interest in Asatru/Odinism started with runes, while still interested in the occult, and I felt like there must be something to come back to, a set of tradition and values. Once I read into it more I picked up the tradition and history as my own, as part of my ancestry and blood, my history. Eventually I got around to reading Ride the Tiger and his philosophy on Nietzsche's nihilism and Sartre's existentialism couldn't be more perfect (especially his view on the modern world and subculture, and Kali Yuga). This put my view into a more perfected direction, so to speak. You must realize that atheism is the objection of traditional values and cultural elements that are embedded in the people. There's nothing to come back to in just "atheism". At least with Buddhism there is somewhat a systematic approach with established views on morality, ethics, and tradition that lie within it.

    I've become more accepting of the existence of a god in the sense of Aristotle or Descarte, as the "first mover" of the universe, not in a religious sense. I don't know what conflict this would cause with Odinism/Asatru, though.
    "If the natural tendencies of mankind are so bad that it is not safe to permit people to be free, how is it that the tendencies of these organizers are always good? Do not the legislators and their appointed agents also belong to the human race? Or do they believe that they themselves are made of a finer clay than the rest of mankind?" - Frédéric Bastiat, The Law

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    Quote Originally Posted by Paradigm View Post
    There may be some Western philosophy with atheist elements, but I see Eastern philosophy with more atheistic elements than the West. Even when philosophers tried to ignore God in a religious since, they ended up coming back to one in a philosophical since (Descartes, for example).



    Because there is nothing cultural or traditional about atheism. It's the reject of established morals and values. Atheism itself is universalist. It transcends all cultural bounds.



    In a sense, Buddhism is "atheist".



    Islam is not as bad as you think. The fundamentalist are exploited in the media. You can find Christians (like my family) who are just as bad.



    Liberal politics and multiculturalism are at the roots of atheism in the modern world.



    This is one aspect of atheism. That it doesn't support said traditions.



    Read Ride the Tiger: Surival Manual for the Aristocrats of the Soul by Julius Evola, and you'll see a new light on atheism.

    I used to be an atheist, I don't deny and do embrace my transformation, because it's starting new. You rid yourself of what you see as a negative. I still hold some of those views, but now on a spiritual plane. I was highly influenced by Ayn Rand, especially after reading The Fountainhead. This heightened my individualism. Eventually I got interested in the Temple of Set and then the Church of Satan and other left-hand path philosophy. My interest in the occult put a new twist on my idea of individualism, and my philosophy had the aspect of elevating one's self to a god like status, and that the individual is a very powerful being. Eventually my interest in Asatru/Odinism started with runes, while still interested in the occult, and I felt like there must be something to come back to, a set of tradition and values. Once I read into it more I picked up the tradition and history as my own, as part of my ancestry and blood, my history. Eventually I got around to reading Ride the Tiger and his philosophy on Nietzsche's nihilism and Sartre's existentialism couldn't be more perfect (especially his view on the modern world and subculture, and Kali Yuga). This put my view into a more perfected direction, so to speak. You must realize that atheism is the objection of traditional values and cultural elements that are embedded in the people. There's nothing to come back to in just "atheism". At least with Buddhism there is somewhat a systematic approach with established views on morality, ethics, and tradition that lie within it.

    I've become more accepting of the existence of a god in the sense of Aristotle or Descarte, as the "first mover" of the universe, not in a religious sense. I don't know what conflict this would cause with Odinism/Asatru, though.
    There may be some Western philosophy with atheist elements, but I see Eastern philosophy with more atheistic elements than the West. Even when philosophers tried to ignore God in a religious since, they ended up coming back to one in a philosophical since (Descartes, for example).
    While it's true some western philosophy might of borrowed some eastern philosophies I still stand firm behind my position that atheism is dominantly a creation of western philosophical tradition specifically with that of empiricism and materialism as philosophical perspectives that derived from the European west.

    Because there is nothing cultural or traditional about atheism. It's the reject of established morals and values. Atheism itself is universalist. It transcends all cultural bounds.
    There may be nothing cultural or traditional embedded within atheism but that doesn't mean that atheists can't retain somthing cultural and traditional in their way of being.

    I along with others are a testament to that otherwise I wouldn't be here.

    It's the reject of established morals and values.
    Sure but even atheists value somthing.

    Atheism itself is universalist. It transcends all cultural bounds.
    It's universal probally in a sense in it's rejection of so called universal truths.

    It's transcendent to a point but only upon it's disbelief of specifically held religious dogmas and institutions.

    In a sense, Buddhism is "atheist".
    I've never seen anything to tell me that Buddhism is atheistic.

    Most forms of Buddhism I have observed are latched onto a variety of eastern pagan traditions.

    Islam is not as bad as you think. The fundamentalist are exploited in the media. You can find Christians (like my family) who are just as bad.
    I dislike both of those religions so it doesn't matter to me a bit.

    Pagans are practically the only specific religious beliefs I sympathize with despite my disbelief in all religion and spiritualities because of some of the social emblems within paganism that I admire.

    However don't look forward to me into believing and worshipping a bunch of gods anytime soon despite my small token of affection for pagans only when it comes to any religion in that the atheist in me simply doesn't have a heart in it.

    Liberal politics and multiculturalism are at the roots of atheism in the modern world.
    It would seem so now in our present but I believe that to be a mistake which is why I created this thread.

    As I've said I believe atheism is dominantly a creation of western philosophical traditions where only upon western Europeans was it allowed to foster and prosper in that nowhere else in the world was it allowed to do so because most of the rest of the world is completely hostile to atheism as a mental perspective.

    From that perspective I believe atheism owes it's entire existence to western civilization which as a atheist myself I believe it is the duty of every Germanic and europid atheist to make it a part of their way to preserve racial cultural emblems of western civilization.

    As I said our very disbelief I believe stems from western philosophical traditions that were only made possible by western civilization itself.

    Nowhere else is the atheist philosophical disposition more stronger outside of the western world.

    The reason for this is that only in the western world have atheists been able to have the luxory and privilege of existing in that only the western environment of thought has allowed us to exist persistently.

    I think the very dispositions of a great deal of modern atheists unlike myself need to be challenged when it concerns their multicultural racial nihilism because of this.

    I have no problem with philosophical nihilism myself in that I'm somewhat of a nihilist but I do have a problem with misguided forms of nihilism ironicly enough as one in that they bother me on a personal level.


    This is one aspect of atheism. That it doesn't support said traditions
    But as I said atheism is a western intellectual tradition.

    So in a sense it may not support traditions yet it itself is one nonetheless.


    I used to be an atheist, I don't deny and do embrace my transformation, because it's starting new. You rid yourself of what you see as a negative. I still hold some of those views, but now on a spiritual plane. I was highly influenced by Ayn Rand, especially after reading The Fountainhead. This heightened my individualism. Eventually I got interested in the Temple of Set and then the Church of Satan and other left-hand path philosophy. My interest in the occult put a new twist on my idea of individualism, and my philosophy had the aspect of elevating one's self to a god like status, and that the individual is a very powerful being. Eventually my interest in Asatru/Odinism started with runes, while still interested in the occult, and I felt like there must be something to come back to, a set of tradition and values. Once I read into it more I picked up the tradition and history as my own, as part of my ancestry and blood, my history. Eventually I got around to reading Ride the Tiger and his philosophy on Nietzsche's nihilism and Sartre's existentialism couldn't be more perfect (especially his view on the modern world and subculture, and Kali Yuga). This put my view into a more perfected direction, so to speak. You must realize that atheism is the objection of traditional values and cultural elements that are embedded in the people. There's nothing to come back to in just "atheism". At least with Buddhism there is somewhat a systematic approach with established views on morality, ethics, and tradition that lie within it.

    I've become more accepting of the existence of a god in the sense of Aristotle or Descarte, as the "first mover" of the universe, not in a religious sense. I don't know what conflict this would cause with Odinism/Asatru, though.
    I entered atheism through philosophical nihilism, empiricism, and materialism along with a steady approach to discerning schools that approach the subject of logic.

    I've never looked back towards religion ever since.
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    Quote Originally Posted by AlaricLachlan View Post
    A great deal of atheists even intellectual ones embrace racial nihilism siding with multiculturalism under the mental approach that nothing matters where anything and everything goes.
    I'm sure that more atheists are politically left than politically right if you look at the entire world but in my personal experience, most atheists I've met are pretty conservative.

    Quote Originally Posted by AlaricLachlan View Post
    If you take nihilism to it's core they are right in that nothing does matter however what they fail to understand is that atheism is steeped in western philosophical tradition where the rest of the foreign world is steeped in ultra religionism by which having them immigrate in mass in our nations they will not tolerate atheism so much at all hence why us atheists need to be more mindful and must preserve our western cultural traditions for our very disbelief is very much apart of western European culture.

    All of us atheists that actually wish to preserve western European culture must face off and challenge those atheists of the other side that are proned to racial cultural nihilism.

    We must show them the error and destructive nature of their ways for their carelessness towards the subject or at the very least we must neutralize their arguements.
    I agree.

    Quote Originally Posted by Paradigm View Post
    Because there is nothing cultural or traditional about atheism. It's the reject of established morals and values.
    Atheists only reject the absolute morals like the 10 commandments. Most Christian morals are just cultural morals that society invented; they later found a matching passage in the bible to support these morals.

    This means that atheists are just as likely to follow these morals as Christians are; atheists aren't without morals after all.

    And, culture is also irrelevant for most part. Most atheists will even celebrate Christian holidays because these events are more social events than they are religious events.

    Quote Originally Posted by Paradigm View Post
    Liberal politics and multiculturalism are at the roots of atheism in the modern world.
    The root of atheism is the lack of believe in supernatural things. I do not believe in multiculturalism and am an atheist. Nobody influenced me into being an atheist either because I never believed in supernatural things (excluding the regular monster and ghost believes most little kids have when I was a little kid).

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    Just like modern religion is nothing but primitive superstition, modern atheism is solely the result of opposition toward that superstition. Unfortunately, self-proclaimed atheists just replace one petty belief with another.

    As much as Atheists like to claim that they only have an absence of belief, the truth is that the modern Western "atheist" paradigm has a distinctive collection of personalities, histories, and beliefs that qualify it as a religion.

    I'd take atheists far more seriously if they were more influenced by the non-theistic currents in Classical Greek and Indian philosophy than by modern secular humanists.

    Also, I take issue with the OP's logic. Atheism = The West. The West = modern. Modernity = corrupt. And yet somehow Atheism ≠ corrupt? What sort of logic is this?
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    Some folk need a psychological crutch, and they find this in religion.

    Religion is nothing more than superstitious nonsense to caress troubled minds in need.

    Better to be free of it all and be unbiased in thoughts.


    Richard Dawkins 'The God Delusion' is a great read!

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    Quote Originally Posted by King Sitric View Post
    Richard Dawkins 'The God Delusion' is a great read!
    Quote Originally Posted by Rev. Jupiter View Post
    I'd take atheists far more seriously if they were more influenced by the non-theistic currents in Classical Greek and Indian philosophy than by modern secular humanists.

    My point exactly.
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