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    What Do You Think About the Soviet Union?

    I want to talk about it with you.
    We talked a lot about Nazism.
    let's talk about communism?
    pros and cons of the Soviet Union.
    I was born in the USSR and therefore you can ask me questions.

    forgive sorry if I posted a topic in the wrong section, I hope the administration will correct my mistake

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    I feel sorry for the innocents who had to live in that country and also for the surrounding countries that were oppressed by that disease disguised as a political system. The USSR either directly or inderectly lead to the deaths of millions upon millions of people due to the nature of its economics and brutality.

    Glad they're recovering.

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    Quote Originally Posted by andreyza View Post
    I was born in the USSR and therefore you can ask me questions.
    You describe yourself as German/african and born in Russia.How did all that come about...?

    One question about Russia....why are a lot of their warplanes painted that horrible duck egg blue....?...was there a duck egg blue paint collective in omsk or something and they dont know how to get rid of millions of gallons of the stuff..?

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    I didn't like the Soviet Union, they were the enemy during the Cold War with nuclear armed missles pointed at us. The Soviet Union was largely shaped by Stalin, one of the most brutal dictators in history. Even if you believe Hitler did everything he is accused of it doesn't come close to the reality of the atrocities of Stalin. I think a lot of the deaths attributed to Hitlerian Germany were actually committed by the Stalinist USSR - is it just a coincidence that most of the deaths accured in the areas where the Soviets were in charge at the end of WWII.

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    Before to start speaking about USSR will necessary to understand the main thing. USSR it not Stalin or Lenin's malicious will, USSR is result of Russian people mentality. Many centuries russian are lived in fear, cruelty and hatred.

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    First the good:

    Stalin was arguably the greatest leader of the twentieth century as he turned an agricultural backwater into a superpower through infusions of resources into heavy industry and deft employment of Realpolitik.

    Now the bad:

    Bolshevism was the second slave revolt as it faciliated a revolt of the 'undermen' against their betters. But then socialists are inherently inferior and regressive...

    The mass murder, especially facilitated against Russia's upper classes.

    The Soviet Union's promotion of anti-racism and anti-colonialist ideology, including its arming and strong support for so-called 'wars of national liberation' in backing groups like the Viet Minh, ANC, etc.

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    [QUOTE=Joe McCarthy;1036847]First the good:

    Stalin was arguably the greatest leader of the twentieth century as he turned an agricultural backwater into a superpower through infusions of resources into heavy industry and deft employment of Realpolitik.

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    It is disputable. Destruction of peasantry for the sake of industrialization was pernicious for Russia. Before revolution 1917 Russia was the rural country and imported grain and products to Europe. Today in Russia there is no agriculture, and the industry at level of the last century. It is result of economic policy of Stalin.
    I want to add, that Stalin's industrialization was not for the sake of the USSR people life improvement , but only for strengthening of military USSR power for conducting wars on Europe and Asia territories.

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    [QUOTE=odinberg;1036850]
    Quote Originally Posted by Joe McCarthy View Post
    First the good:

    Stalin was arguably the greatest leader of the twentieth century as he turned an agricultural backwater into a superpower through infusions of resources into heavy industry and deft employment of Realpolitik.

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    It is disputable. Destruction of peasantry for the sake of industrialization was pernicious for Russia. Before revolution 1917 Russia was the rural country and imported grain and products to Europe. Today in Russia there is no agriculture, and the industry at level of the last century. It is result of economic policy of Stalin.
    I want to add, that Stalin's industrialization was not for the sake of the USSR people life improvement , but only for strengthening of military USSR power for conducting wars on Europe and Asia territories.
    Yes, the human costs of Communism were enormous, which I think I mentioned. The emphasis on industrialization was for the purposes of giving the USSR a superpower military, which it achieved.

    Still, going from a third rate and backward power to the second strongest was no mean feat. We need to recall that other powerful states were brutal toward their people in centuries past as well.

    I suppose ultimately the difference between Stalin, and say, Hitler, is that while both were killers, Stalin was astute enough not to overplay his hand. He was cautious, pragmatic, and not willing to gamble unnecessarily or create more enemies where it was unwise.

    Those failings were ultimately Hitler's downfall, and if it had merely affected him, it wouldn't have been so bad, but it hurt the German people enormously, and ultimately, our entire civilization.

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    Norway was under threat from Soviet, so I'm not a fan of them.

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    From my old thread:

    The Soviet Union sought to effect the abolishment of colonial governance by Western countries, either by direct subversion of Western-leaning or -controlled governments or indirectly by influence of political leadership and support. Many of the revolutions of this time period were inspired or influenced in this way. The conflicts in Vietnam, Nicaragua, Congo, and Sudan, among others, have been characterized as such.

    Most Soviet leaders expressed the Marxist-Leninist view that imperialism was the height of capitalism, and generated a class-stratified society. It followed, then, that Soviet leadership would encourage independence movements in colonized territories, especially as the Cold War progressed. Though this was the view expressed by their leaders, such interventions can be interpreted as the expansion of Soviet interests (establishing the Iron Curtain), not just as aiding the oppressed peoples of the world. Because so many of these wars of independence expanded into general Cold War conflicts, the United States also supported several such independence movements in opposition to Soviet interests.

    During the Vietnam War, Communist countries supported anti-colonialist movements in various countries still under colonial administration through propaganda, developmental and economic assistance, and in some cases military aid. Notably among these were the support of armed rebel movements by Cuba in Angola, and the Soviet Union (as well as the People's Republic of China) in Vietnam.

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