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    Question Stonehenge Boy Came From Mediterranean?

    As a major attraction for more than 3,500 years, Stonehenge has inspired many an ancient road trip.

    Now, new evidence shows that Bronze Age people journeyed all the way from the Mediterranean coast (regional map)—more than 500 miles (805 kilometers) away—to see the standing stones on Britain's Salisbury Plain. (See Stonehenge pictures.)

    Chemical analysis of the teeth of a 14- or 15-year-old boy—buried outside the town of Amesbury (map), about three miles (five kilometers) from Stonehenge (map)—reveal that he hailed from somewhere in the Mediterranean region, new research shows.

    Discovered in 2005, the teen was buried about 3,550 years ago wearing a necklace of about 90 amber beads.

    "Such exotic materials demonstrate that he was from one of the highest echelons of society," said project archaeologist Andrew Fitzpatrick of Wessex Archaeology, a consulting firm based in Salisbury, England.
    (See "Stonehenge Was Cemetery First and Foremost, Study Says.")

    Bejeweled Boy Died on "Grand Tour"?

    To determine that the teen wasn't a local, scientists from the British Geological Survey (BGS) measured different forms of the elements oxygen and strontium in his teeth.

    The ratios of these element forms change with climate and local geology. Like tree rings, human teeth record this signature year by year and can be used to narrow down a person's native region.

    "In the case of the boy with the amber necklace, he had an oxygen signature that appeared too warm for the area of Stonehenge in which he was found—but instead matched areas of the coastal Mediterranean," said the BGS's Jane Evans, who presented her findings at a BGS symposium in London on September 28.

    Because he was so young, archaeologists suspect the boy traveled with an extended family group, perhaps doing the equivalent of a "grand tour."

    "We think that the wealthiest people may have made these long-distance journeys in order to source rare and exotic materials, like amber. By doing these journeys, they probably also acquired great kudos," Wessex's Fitzpatrick noted.

    Crossing the English Channel (map)—most likely by paddleboat—was probably one of the more challenging parts of this journey, he speculated.

    Stonehenge Was High-Status Burial Ground

    The boy's skeleton bears no obvious injuries, suggesting he died of infection. He was buried near Stonehenge likely because of its status and significance at the time, experts say.

    The bejeweled boy is just one of a number of burials near Stonehenge that show that the monument drew visitors from far and wide. (Take a Stonehenge quiz.)

    For instance, one of the earliest known Stonehenge visitors is the "Amesbury Archer," also buried about three miles (five kilometers) from the standing stones. A similar tooth analysis has shown that the archer traveled all the way from the foothills of the German Alps around 4,400 years ago.


    http://news.nationalgeographic.com/n...mediterranean/



    Do Keltic Nordids have Mediterranean in them?

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    You should be asking about North-Atlantids.

    North Atlantid Geographic Locations-
    North-Atlantids and Atlantids account for 65% of Wales, 25% of England, 15% of Scotland and 12% of Ireland (according to this one site I looked at not sure how accurate those percentages are).

    North-Atlantid Relation to other groups-
    The North-Atlantid is a mix of Keltic-Nordid and Atlanto-Med. The spectrum runs from the most Nordid- Keltic-Nordid to North-Atlantid to Atlantid to Atlanto-Med (found in northern spain and on occasion the british Isles).

    Keltic-Nordids
    As for Keltic-Nordids- here is a quote from coon (I think it's from him)...
    "the Keltic-Nordid has mixed with Atlanto-Mediterranid (North-Atlantid), the latter of which is present at a low level in the Keltic Nordid population as a whole."

    Conclusion-
    Yes, Keltic-Nordids have slight mediterranid influence
    North-Atlantids have recognizable mediterranid influence
    Atlantids have obvious mediterranid influence
    All three of these are found in the British Isles.

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    Hmm, Keltic Nordids per definition are largely Hallstatt Nordids altered by Dinarid and Alpinid admixture. Surely enough, Keltic Nordid populations might have acquired (Atlanto-)Mediterranid strains, especially in Britain and Ireland, but the Keltic Nordid race/phenotype as such isn't described as involving Mediterranid strains in it's creation.


    Your quote is from the Keltic Nordid definition of SNPA by the way, Wynterwade, which does rely heavily but not only on Coon's work.

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    That is under the assumption that the racial mix you find today in these areas are the same as at the time the boy walked this beautiful earth.
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    Dunno where he was from (Spain or South France would make sense given the distance and the later Celtic languages spoken there as in Britain). Could have been from as far away as Greece, because there is an unusual style of amber bead found only in burials in Wessex and in the roughly contemporaneous Mycenaean shaft graves.

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    The original inhabitants of the British Isles were much darker than they are now.

    We all know about the 'recent' invasions of Norman, Viking and Anglo-Saxons in to 'Celtic' Britain, but I believe that the 'Celts' themselves were invaders too and were not of one whole definite stock.

    Gaels I believe were Nordish and this can be seen in many people of Irish and Scottish ancestry.





    Racially I think these people were of similar ethnicity to the latter Anglo-Saxon et al invaders.

    However, the ancestors of the Welsh were a darker race and were related to the Iberian Celts and possibly the Basques too. If you look at people like Tom Jones:





    it's easy to see the Mediterranean influence.
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    Quote Originally Posted by NatRev View Post
    The original inhabitants of the British Isles were much darker than they are now.
    I think it was ust a few tribes that were dark. Silurians mainly. The Romans described most indigenous British tribes as being relatively fair. That explains how Britons have significant native ancestry and still be a relatively fair race. The darkness of weslh tends to be overstated too. North Welsh certainly look no different from other British Islanders (I distinctly remember visiting a department store in N. Wales and noticing everyone had blue eyes). I've never been to South Wales, but I get the impression that southern Welsh are darker, but they're still nowhere near what a lot of people make them out to be.

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    Yeah I get what you say and I know a bloke from north Wales who has a very 'Nordish' look about him but I meant that the Celts didn't come in to Britain in one big job lot and were of one same stock.

    Besides, it was Caesar himself who more or less divided north Europeans into Celtic or Germanic peoples due to what side of a river they lived on, I think it maybe the Rhine... not sure.

    It's possible that one of the original immigrants into the British Isles were from Spain and were the darker sorts similar to Silurian (Tom Jones types) yet the Celts that the Romans met may have been a fairer (Asterix the Gaul types) sort from originally Central Europe that migrated west a while after the Mediteranean sorts.



    If you look at Irish mythology, which I admit I have only a limited knowledge of, it does say that the Gaels were not the first race to invade Ireland and that before them there were other people there and before them others.

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fomorians

    Irish mythology does tell a lot about people living in hills and stuff like that, much like Germanic stories about trolls and dwarves. I've always believed that they were early recollections of two different races meeting each other. I think a modern analogy would be 19th century central Africans thinking we (Whites) were ghosts or spectres due to our pale skin.

    Now I know a lot of that can be put down to the fanciful nature of mythology, but like the Norse myths of the Aesir and Vanir, I think they may have elements of truth in them.
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    Groundbreaking discovery: Who MAY have built Stonehenge finally revealed

    Scientists say that cremated remains may hold the key to unlocking the truth behind England’s greatest mystery: who built Stonehenge?

    New studies on the cremated remains of 25 Neolithic people buried at the site show that nearly half of them lived nowhere near the now world-famous monument. A team from University of Oxford analysed the 25 skull bones, discovering that ten of those cremated originated from western Britain. Five of the ten were potentially from southwest Wales; the same area from which the bluestones that made the monument’s original structure originated from.

    The other 15 people appear to be local to the Wiltshire and Stonehenge area.

    The new discovery is thanks to groundbreaking research led by Belgian scientist Dr Christophe Snoeck. Previously, it was thought that place-of-origin tests on burned bone was not possible - but Snoeck’s research proves otherwise. “The recent discovery that some biological information survives the high temperatures reached during cremation (up to 1000 degrees Celsius) offered us the exciting possibility to finally study the origin of those buried at Stonehenge,” he said.

    The Belgian scientist’s research shows that cremation actually crystallises bone structures, preventing the crucial isotope that indicates origin from external contamination.

    The findings, revealed in Thursday’s Scientific Reports, do not reveal how the bluestones that make the original Stonehenge structure stones travelled more than 200km from Western Wales to the site near modern day Amesbury. Snoeck’s research team does believe that the remains of nonlocal people were cremated before being transported to the ancient site, due to two forms of carbon absorbed into the bones during cremation that indicate that funeral pyres consisted of trees from dense woods - like as those in Wales.


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