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    Do you believe in Karma?

    Do you believe in Karma?

    Karma is a Sanskrit word that means "action." Karma has commonly been considered a punishment for past bad actions, but karma is neither judge nor jury. Rather, it is simply the universal law of cause and effect that says every thought, word and act carries energy into the world and affects our present reality. Karma can also refer to the "work" we have ahead of us, which includes lessons from both our past and present lives

    Her is an Interesting essay by Mabel Collins..A student of Helena Petrovna Blavatsky.

    CONSIDER with me that the individual existence is a rope which stretches from the infinite to the infinite and has no end and no commencement, neither is it capable of being broken. This rope is formed of innumerable fine threads, which, lying closely together, form its thickness. These threads are colorless, are perfect in their qualities of straightness, strength, and levelness. This rope, passing as it does through all places, suffers strange accidents. Very often a thread is caught and becomes attached, or perhaps is only violently pulled away from its even way. Then for a great time it is disordered, and it disorders the whole. Sometimes one is stained with dirt or with color, and not only does the stain run on further than the spot of contact, but it discolors other of the threads. And remember that the threads are living -- are like electric wires, more, are like quivering nerves. How far, then, must the stain, the drag awry, be communicated! But eventually the long strands, the living threads which in their unbroken continuity form the individual, pass out of the shadow into the shine. Then the threads are no longer colorless, but golden; once more they lie together, level. Once more harmony is established between them; and from that harmony within the greater harmony is perceived.

    This illustration presents but a small portion -- a single side of the truth: it is less than a fragment. Yet, dwell on it; by its aid you may be led to perceive more. What it is necessary first to understand is, not that the future is arbitrarily formed by any separate acts of the present, but that the whole of the future is in unbroken continuity with the present as the present is with the past. On one plane, from one point of view, the illustration of the rope is correct.

    It is said that a little attention to occultism produces great Karmic results. That is because it is impossible to give any attention to occultism without making a definite choice between what are familiarly called good and evil. The first step in occultism brings the student to the tree of knowledge. He must pluck and eat; he must choose. No longer is he capable of the indecision of ignorance. He goes on, either on the good or on the evil path. And to step definitely and knowingly even but one step on either path produces great Karmic results. The mass of men walk waveringly, uncertain as to the goal they aim at; their standard of life is indefinite; consequently their Karma operates in a confused manner. But when once the threshold of knowledge is reached, the confusion begins to lessen, and consequently the Karmic results increase enormously, because all are acting in the same direction on all the different planes: for the occultist cannot be half-hearted, nor can he return when he has passed the threshold. These things are as impossible as that the man should become the child again. The individuality has approached the state of responsibility by reason of growth; it cannot recede from it.

    He who would escape from the bondage of Karma must raise his individuality out of the shadow into the shine; must so elevate his existence that these threads do not come in contact with soiling substances, do not become so attached as to be pulled awry. He simply lifts himself out of the region in which Karma operates. He does not leave the existence which he is experiencing because of that. The ground may be rough and dirty, or full of rich flowers whose pollen stains, and of sweet substances that cling and become attachments -- but overhead there is always the free sky. He who desires to be Karmaless must look to the air for a home; and after that to the ether. He who desires to form good Karma will meet with many confusions, and in the effort to sow rich seed for his own harvesting may plant a thousand weeds, and among them the giant. Desire to sow no seed for your own harvesting; desire only to sow that seed the fruit of which shall feed the world. You are a part of the world; in giving it food you feed yourself. Yet in even this thought there lurks a great danger which starts forward and faces the disciple, who has for long thought himself working for good, while in his inmost soul he has perceived only evil; that is, he has thought himself to be intending great benefit to the world while all the time he has unconsciously embraced the thought of Karma, and the great benefit he works for is for himself. A man may refuse to allow himself to think of reward. But in that very refusal is seen the fact that reward is desired. And it is useless for the disciple to strive to learn by means of checking himself. The soul must be unfettered, the desires free. But until they are fixed only on that state wherein there is neither reward nor punishment, good nor evil, it is in vain that he endeavors. He may seem to make great progress, but some day he will come face to face with his own soul, and will recognize that when he came to the tree of knowledge he chose the bitter fruit and not the sweet; and then the veil will fall utterly, and he will give up his freedom and become a slave of desire. Therefore be warned, you who are but turning toward the life of occultism. Learn now that there is no cure for desire, no cure for the love of reward, no cure for the misery of longing, save in the fixing of the sight and hearing upon that which is invisible and soundless. Begin even now to practice it, and so a thousand serpents will be kept from your path. Live in the eternal.

    The operations of the actual laws of Karma are not to be studied until the disciple has reached the point at which they no longer affect himself. The initiate has a right to demand the secrets of nature and to know the rules which govern human life. He obtains this right by having escaped from the limits of nature and by having freed himself from the rules which govern human life. He has become a recognized portion of the divine element, and is no longer affected by that which is temporary. He then obtains a knowledge of the laws which govern temporary conditions. Therefore you who desire to understand the laws of Karma, attempt first to free yourself from these laws; and this can only be done by fixing your attention on that which is unaffected by those laws.

    Mabel Collins Bio
    http://www.katinkahesselink.net/his/farnell2.html
    http://www.theosociety.org/pasadena/...tpa1.htm#KARMA

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    Quote Originally Posted by Shine View Post
    Her is an Interesting essay by Mabel Collins..
    I dont believe in any asian wisdom that comes via California.

    Having said that,yes i believe to a certain extent in the old maxim "Honi soit chi mal y pense".

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    In Northern Mythology it is the Nornes who weave your thread of your fate.

    Even our Gods can't escape.

    One of the 3 nornes, Skuld, also rides with the valkyries to determine who dies at the battlefield and goes to Valhall.

    Her power animals were wolfes and raven (the ones also belonged to Odin). Wolfes and raven devoured the dead warriors on the battlefield.

    Battlefield can be anything today, the physical one in wars or the battle against bad influences. Our Gods want us humans to show courage.

    The 3 main nornes are Urdr (that what has happened) ((it's not fixed but can be changed)), Verdandi (that was is happening in the present) and Skuld (that what needs to be).

    It is good to look in your life to find the 'thread' of the nornes. A 'theme' you have going on, things you value most. Events which are determining a direction your life is taking. People you meet and which have some importance to you, friends, foes, advicers, people you look at and they have something you want to have to and strive for it (courage, wisdom, peace etc).

    out of that one can determine one's destiny and take a clearer path.

    Native americans had something like a 'vision quest' to find their purpose in life.

    I doubt one can escape 'karma'. Yes one can escape being influenced by it and in a sort of being freed to act mechanically to it. But nevertheless the karma acts out.

    The fate is also not really fixed and can be changed, improved, depending on your inner strength.

    I don't think the idea of escaping one fate is for the northern men a valid one, rather he meets his fate, undisturbed, with courage, doing what has to be done. He doesn't run away, he has honor and stands and fights, knowing he has to die. There is something in him which goes beyond the physical life. An inner substance which makes him greater than the nornes.
    weel nich will dieken dej mot wieken

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    It also seems our northern ancestors thought, that sacrifices can change certain things.

    At the battlefield they made sacrifices to change the outcome. Odin seemed to have had the power to do so.

    That interferes with what we think is fate/karma.

    There are obvious different influences in life and fate/karma is not the only one.
    weel nich will dieken dej mot wieken

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    I have always believed in the old saying "What comes around goes around".
    My mother always says that if she thinks somebody has wronged another
    individual so in reality,I was taught that this is the way life works and from
    what I have seen and experienced,it's true.

    So,to make a long story short,I guess I do believe in Karma.Well,the American definition of it anyways.

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    Quote Originally Posted by OneWolf View Post
    Well,the American definition of it anyways.
    Yes, it is quite irritating how it has been bastardised to stop us from taking any action that may result in any sort of harm, including justice, as it *guarantees* that you will have some harm done back to you in one form or another. In Hinduism and Buddhism the retribution happens *in the next life* and/or through the next life in the realm and situation that you are born into. Any** negative karma can be rectified and neutralised through proper actions thus rendering them null; of course if you do something good for selfish desires (in Buddhism, not sure how it works in Hinduism) you get nothing as is seen in Bodhidarma's meeting with Emperor Liang.

    "The Anthology of the Patriarchal Hall tells us that in 527 during the Liang Dynasty, Bodhidharma, the first Patriarch of Chán, visited the Emperor Wu, a fervent patron of Buddhism. The emperor asked Bodhidharma, "How much karmic merit have I earned for ordaining Buddhist monks, building monasteries, having sutras copied, and commissioning Buddha images?" Bodhidharma answered, "None, good deeds done with selfish intent bring no merit."


    **The only exceptions being the five cardinal sins (Anantarika-karma)
    Patricide
    Matricide
    Killing an arahant
    Wounding a buddha
    Creating a schism in the sangha (Buddhist community)


    Even Amitabha, who has promised to relieve people of their karma and being reborn into his heaven which guarantees Enlightenment by repeating his name ten times, doesn't let those that commit those acts into his realm. Take for instance Maudgalyayana, a disciple of the Buddha who attained Enlightenment during his lifetime yet still had to be murdered by bandits because in his previous life he had killed his parents.
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Paranib...Mahamoggallana


    See Devadatta, considered the worst possible person as he was the only person in early Buddhist tradition to have commited three of these sins.
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Devadatta


    The only reason our Western 'interpretation' is as such is because of the liberal and Jewish filth who wish to corrupt the teachings in order to make us more submissive "Oh no don't kill me for raping your three year old (see the Talmud) or you'll get divine punishment! Forgive and forget!".


    For crying out loud Buddhism in the East is seen as strictly conservative and traditionalist, the way they have trampled on it is truly despicable.

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    reply to shine

    Thankyou for a very interesting post.
    As said in reply, conducted by Norns the 3 fates implemented by the flygia the spirit guardian or Valkeria.
    When one reaches the point of death, the slowing of the heart, and the no out breath, there is a bridge between the astral soul and the ancestral soul memory, it is here that the negative karma can be extinguished and replaced by a fresh new positive karma. In a sacred rite to the chosen Nordic diety power, one changes the valkeric karma power and destiny. This has to be in alignment with the correct planet which must not be falling into retrograde, As this is the source of the negative charge and decomposition of the individual in life.
    A sacred rite performed to the Norns in volving purification of the release of the soul complex assists in this alteration. Check the constelation Sagitarius this is linked to the Norns. When performing this ritual.

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