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    Quote Originally Posted by Joe McCarthy View Post
    (though the Jewish role in the Bolshevik Revolution is overstated some)
    Marx was a jew, Lenin was a jew, Trotsky was a jew, Stalin's background is muggy, but he was certainly non-Russian and married to a jew, and Kaganovich, the murderer of seven million Ukranians, was most definitely a jew. But, of course, to you the role of jews in this is overstated.

    Quote Originally Posted by Joe McCarthy View Post
    The problem, you see, is that many on these boards overstate it to the point of absurdity
    Do we now? Well shame on us for not recognizing you as having the heritable right to frame all arguments and define all reality to your agenda's best ends.

    I think the problem is quite the reverse in the world at large... say ANYTHING about the jew and you are immediately ostracized by organized jewry, and that means people like Mel Gibson or, just recently that hispanic reporter, Rick Sanchez. I find it laughable that the result of claiming the media is utterly under the control of jewry is immediate blackballing from employment in that industry. No jew control here, no, now move along.

    Quote Originally Posted by Joe McCarthy View Post
    And I think your biggest problem is that you tend to confer almost magical powers upon Jews to accomplish anything on a whim as they outsmart and outmaneuver the dumb Aryans (thus giving them far too much credit and implicitly insulting our own people in the process). They aren't the Gods on Olympus, though they could easily be mistaken for such in reading these boards.
    So, in a similar vein, my criticism of jewish control brings accusations from you that somehow I am insulting our own people for being stupid. How typical. Your true character is revealed in your every word, and let's stop kidding ourselves, shall we, it has been revealing itself ever since you fouled this place with your presence.

    In real terms, free speech does not exist in the jew-controlled media, because they decide what shows get produced and what music gets pushed into the culture and what topics are in the news and how people are supposed to think about those topics. It is quite subtle, and beyond the power of children and teens who have no other input to figure out that they are being fed poison. Why should all that faggoty music that was popular in White culture in the 80s be subversive? Why should the aggressive negroid rap that replaced it as a backlash against "weak" White culture have any deeper meaning? Yet this, to some extent, effectively emasculated White males and empowered Blacks, and guess who was behind it all? Do I really have to go and dig up the names of all the producers and promoters for you? We know who owns the record companies.

    This is just a small part of what's been happening. And you think jewish influence is overstated...

    For those who think we are raving loonies for indicting jews for these crimes against our culture and existence, please read these articles:

    http://www.wnd.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=55833

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Edward_Bernays

    It was this that awoke Hitler to the jewish problem. Jews dominated the media in Vienna in the early part of the 20th century, and it struck him as odd that every single newspaper seemed to be written by these people. His question to himself was not, "are these jews?" but "Are these Germans?" The key here is aliens being allowed to utterly dominate the culture of a land, which is in keeping with the Protocols of the Learned Elders of Zion, which I'm sure you will dismiss as a fraud... every jew says jews have disproven it, so there's an end to that argument. It doesn't matter, even if their aims are not malicious. It is not their culture. They have no right whatsoever to define it or frame every political argument in a way that favors them. They will passionately call for freedom of speech from every rooftop, until, of course, they gain control... then free speech that finds disfavor with them is defined as "hate" speech, and our people find themselves imprisoned. But I'm sure that kind of tyranny is something you could live with, isn't it?

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    Before ww2 Hitler brought to Germany a revival. An excitement even me as a american found interesting. Germans felt proud again after ww1. I found interesting the hitler youth, and the learning of the germanic history. Even the occult aspect of it I found very interesting. The nightime rallies, people being promised a promising future. If I went to Germany today I would see Germany in my image of Germany. The castles I would visit. Also love to visit the battleground where Herman the German or Arminius gave northern europeans something to be proud of. But as in life you have your heaven and your nightmares once ww2 started Hitler hurt the german people which is still being felt today in europe and even north america. America today needs her north european revival. Why is it that other races can be proud of themselves, but when whites do it we are considered evil. We don't need kkk rallies but maybe summer soltices festivals I went to when I was a kid. Also learning northern european history in a good light.

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    Nazi Racial-Political Doctrine...

    Screw the Jews, Screw the Nazi's, Screw the ignorant adherents of the "Protocols of the Elders of Zion", Screw the Bolsheviks. If there is an international conspiracy, where is it and what is it, without reference to the absurdities of the past. This is all water over the dam. This is the twenty-first century, where is the new evidence (if there is any evidence)? We don't need it, we believe in the Hearsay and propaganda of the past and present. Facts are of no consequence...

    This is the reason that N.S. will never be a viable Politico-Economic force ever again. It just can't seem to come to grips with reality...

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    For an accurate, and may I say quite moving depiction of Hitler, I recommend you all to read 'The Enigma of Hitler'

    Link to the PDF file here vvv
    http://aryanism.net/downloads/books/...-of-hitler.pdf

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    Originally Posted by Huginn ok Muninn
    Marx was a jew, Lenin was a jew, Trotsky was a jew, Stalin's background is muggy, but he was certainly non-Russian and married to a jew, and Kaganovich, the murderer of seven million Ukranians, was most definitely a jew. But, of course, to you the role of jews in this is overstated.
    Several points:

    1. Marx was Jewish, but if anything he was anti-Semitic.

    2. Lenin was Russian-German-Tatar-Jewish. It's also true that Germany was involved in sending him to Russia. Maybe Bolshevism was a German conspiracy?

    3. You should get your facts straight. Stalin was never married to a Jew. He apparently had a Jewish mistress, but then so did Benito Mussolini. Maybe Italian Fascism was a Jewish conspiracy?

    4. The question of Jewish involvement in Bolshevism is interesting and rather hard to make sense of. I have seen data though that indicates Trotsky (and Lenin if you count him) was the only Jew of the initial 18 that made up the first Bolshevik government, and that a similar underwhelming percentage of Jews were among the leadership in 1922. It seems as well that Jews never made up more than 5% of the CPSU membership after Stalin took over. On the other hand, fully 10% of Italy's Jewish population were members of the Fascist Party...

    Nonetheless, I realize that to people such as yourself, to add any criticism of this stuff is to effectively deny what is in essense a religion to you.
    So, in a similar vein, my criticism of jewish control brings accusations from you that somehow I am insulting our own people for being stupid.
    That's pretty much what this 'Jews control everything' line of thinking amounts to: that Jews are unbeatably brilliant, and we're just a bunch of dumbasses.

    I think the problem is quite the reverse in the world at large... say ANYTHING about the jew and you are immediately ostracized by organized jewry, and that means people like Mel Gibson or, just recently that hispanic reporter, Rick Sanchez. I find it laughable that the result of claiming the media is utterly under the control of jewry is immediate blackballing from employment in that industry. No jew control here, no, now move along.
    By the same token, if we say anything bad about blacks we are ostracized. That proves it then. Niggers rule us too!

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    Lenin was Russian-German-Tatar-Jewish. It's also true that Germany was involved in sending him to Russia. Maybe Bolshevism was a German conspiracy?
    This is from another forum copied a long time ago, so I don't remember where I read it or to whom give credits to, but its not mine:

    "As regards Lenin, members of his own family regarded the Jewish element in his ancestry (derived from his maternal grandfather Sender Blank, who had coverted to Russian Orthodoxy and married a woman of Swedish and German origin) as being the most important element in his personality and the source of his achievements.

    In the mid-1930s, one of his sisters ( I forget her surname; perhaps Ezarova?)) wrote a letter to Stalin in which she claimed that Lenin's "genius" was a product of his Jewish ancestry, and that research by Soviet scientific institutes had proved that Jews were a superior race, particularly in intellectual attainments.

    The purpose of the letter was to protest at rising levels of anti-Jewish feeling in the Soviet population, which was directed at the large number of persons of Jewish origin in the higher levels of the Soviet hierarchy. Lenin's sister was asking Stalin to suppress those manifestations of anti-Jewish feeling on the grounds that they represented a betrayal of Lenin, who was himself of part-Jewish descent.

    Apparently Stalin simply sent the letter to the archives, where it was found in the 1990s.

    What Lenin himself thought of his Jewish ancestry is unknown, but the sentiments expressed by his sister indicate that it was known in his family, and was regarded positively.

    In any case, the ideology which Lenin espoused can be traced back unltimately to the German Jew Moses Hess, who was born into an Orthodox Jewish family, had a traditional Jewish upbringing and education, and never foreswore his Jewish identity, despite being one of the first philosophers of revolutionary Socialism and the originator of the ideas of Marx. Hess later returned to his Jewish roots, and became a Jewish nationalist and a founder of modern Zionims with its ideology of a Jewish State in the old homeland. For that reason, Hess has been called the Prophet of Communism and Zionism.

    Moses Hess in his own person encapsulated the dual ideological identity of the Jewish people in the 20th century, initally Communist, and then Zionist.

    And Lenin's sister Elizarova, who was a revolutionary in her own right, also thought his Jewish descent was the most important thing about him. As I have shown, she openly stated her belief that his "genius" was a product of his Jewish blood.

    Lenin himself is reputed to have said that the only intelligent Russians were those with some Jewish blood in their veins. Perhaps he had as high an opinion of himself as his sister did."

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    A typical Jewish line of argumentation is being used by Joe here, full of logical twists and distortions with a liberal sprinkling of Reductio ad absurdum to top it all off.

    Anyway, I found this detailed list of Jewish Bolsheviks that tends to indicate they were somewhat over-represented (to put it mildly!) although I'm not sure that Joe will agree ...

    Central Committee of the Bolshevik Party

    NAME - NATIONALITY

    Bronstein (Trotsky) Jew
    Apfelbaum (Zinovief) Jew
    Lourie (Larine) Jew
    Ouritski Jew
    Volodarski Jew
    Rosenfeldt (Kamanef) Jew
    Smidovitch Jew
    Sverdlof (Yankel) Jew
    Nakhamkes (Steklof) Jew
    Ulyanov (Lenin) Russian
    Krylenko Russian
    Lounatcharski Russian

    Council of the People's Commissars

    MINISTRY - NAME - NATIONALITY

    President Ulyanov (Lenin) Russian
    Foreign Affairs Tchitcherine Russian
    Nationalities Djugashvili (Stalin) Georgian
    Agriculture Protian Armenian
    Economic Council Lourie (Larine) Jew
    Food Schlichter Jew
    Army & Navy Bronstein (Trotsky) Jew
    State Control Lander Jew
    State Lands Kauffman Jew
    Works V. Schmidt Jew
    Social Relief E. Lelina (Knigissen) Jewess
    Public Instruction Lounatcharsky Russian
    Religions Spitzberg Jew
    Interior Apfelbaum (Zinovief) Jew
    Hygiene Anvelt Jew
    Finance Isidore Goukovski Jew
    Press Volodarski Jew
    Elections Ouritski Jew
    Justice I. Steinberg Jew
    Refugees Fenigstein Jew
    Refugees (assist.) Savitch Jew
    Refugees (assist.) Zaslovski Jew

    Central Executive Committee:

    NAME - NATIONALITY

    Sverdlov (president) Jew
    Avanessof (sec.) Armenian
    Bruno Lett
    Babtchinski Jew
    Bukharin Russian
    Weinberg Jew
    Gailiss Jew
    Ganzburg Jew
    Danichevski Jew
    Starck German
    Sachs Jew
    Scheinmann Jew
    Erdling Jew
    Landauer Jew
    Linder Jew
    Wolach Czech
    Dimanstein Jew
    Encukidze Georgian
    Ermann Jew
    Joffe Jew
    Karkline Jew
    Knigissen Jew
    Rosenfeldt (Kamenef) Jew
    Apfelbaum (Zinovief) Jew
    Krylenko Russian
    KrassikofSachs Jew
    Kaprik Jew
    Kaoul Lett
    Ulyanov (lenin) Russian
    Latsis Jew
    Lander Jew
    Lounatcharski Russian
    Peterson Lett
    Peters Lett
    Roudzoutas Jew
    Rosine Jew
    Smidovitch Jew
    Stoutchka Lett
    Nakhamkes (Steklof) Jew
    Sosnovski Jew
    Skrytnik Jew
    Bronstein (Trotsky) Jew
    Teodorovitch Jew
    Terian Armenian
    Ouritski Jew
    Telechkine Russian
    Feldmann Jew
    Froumkine Jew
    Souriupa Ukranian
    Tchavtchevadze Georgian
    Scheikmann Jew
    Rosental Jew
    Achkinazi Imeretian
    Karakhane Karaim (Jew)
    Rose Jew
    Sobelson (Radek) Jew
    Sclichter Jew
    Schikolini Jew
    Chklianski Jew
    Levine (Pravdine) Jew

    Extraordinary Commission of Moscow:

    NAME - NATIONALITY

    Dzerjinski (president) Pole
    Peters (vice-president) Lett
    Chklovski Jew
    Kheifiss Jew
    Zeistine Jew
    Razmirovitch Jew
    Kronberg Jew
    Khaikina Jewess
    Karlson Lett
    Schaumann Jew
    Leontovitch Jew
    Jacob Goldine Jew
    Glaperstein Jew
    Kniggisen Jew
    Latzis Lett
    Schillenkuss Jew
    Janson Lett
    Rivkine Jew
    Antonof Russian
    Delafabre Jew
    Tsitkine Jew
    Roskirovitch Jew
    G. Sverdlof Jew
    Biesenski Jew
    Blioumkine Jew
    Alexandrevitch Russian
    I. Model Jew
    Routenberg Jew
    Pines Jew
    Sachs Jew
    Daybol Lett
    Saissoune Armenian
    Deylkenen Lett
    Liebert Jew
    Vogel German
    Zakiss Lett

    Although Lenin is described as a "Russian," in fact he was a mixture of various nationalities. It is likely that he was one-quarter Russian, one-quarter German, one-quarter Jewish and at least one- quarter Kalmuck (Mongol), which accounts for his Mongol appearance. Various authorities allege that his wife, Nadezhda Krupskaya was a Jewess and that her family spoke Yiddish in the home. A report sent to the British government in 1918 by Mr. Oudendyke, the Dutch consul in St. Petersburg, said that "Bolshevism is organised and worked by Jews."

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    Even the opinions of early Churchill about judeobolshevism were the same as ours:

    "This movement among the Jews is not new. From the days of Spartacus-Weishaupt to those of Karl Marx, and down to Trotsky (Russia), Bela Kun (Hungary), Rosa Luxembourg (Germany), and Emma Goldman (United States)... this worldwide conspiracy for the overthrow of civilisation and for the reconstitution of society on the basis of arrested development, of envious malevolence, and impossible equality, has been steadily growing. It has been the mainspring of every subversive movement during the 19th century; and now at last this band of extraordinary personalities from the underworld of the great cities of Europe and America have gripped the Russian people by the hair of their heads and have become practically the undisputed masters of that enormous empire."

    Churchill Writing on 'Zionism versus Bolshevism' in the Illustrated Sunday Herald, February 1920

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    Completely admire/support Hitler and old German NS

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    Quote Originally Posted by Joe McCarthy View Post
    That's pretty much what this 'Jews control everything' line of thinking amounts to: that Jews are unbeatably brilliant, and we're just a bunch of dumbasses.


    By the same token, if we say anything bad about blacks we are ostracized. That proves it then. Niggers rule us too!
    In response, taken from the Aryanism blog.

    The problem of scapegoating is important to how we view ourselves and our enemy and is itself detrimental to Aryanism. Scapegoating Jews, or anyone other group, is the result of a partial or complete denial of the fallibility of Gentiles. Aryanists should easily be capable of discerning between what is the result of the Jews and what is the result of ourselves.

    Many of us will have experiences to draw from where scapegoating has been the cause of some obscene claims. When anti-Jewish websites attempt to write articles on certain periods of history, or certain groups from history, nearly all blame the smallest of perceived discrepancies on nothing short of total Jewish control of the subject-matter. Examples I have come across are too numerous to fully list. The most notable are claims that “Jewish banksters” caused the Dark Ages through contraction of the money supply. This is simply, again, confusion between actual Jewish power and Gentile fallibility. Some find it almost inconceivable that the world would not be perfect if the Jew no longer had any power; and, subsequently, blames any part of history that is not of sufficient quality, in whatever form and by whatever subjective means, to be thoroughly Jewish. Others that are more well-known include: the purported Jewish ancestry of nearly every historical figure; the Jewish origins of many of the modern institutions (Vatican, Banks, etc.); and the long list of perceived Jewish ideas and concepts. This is nothing more than the result of burdening the fools of the anti-Jewish movement with too much knowledge and a shortage of wisdom.

    The material relationship between Jews and Aryans is one of parasitism. However, the spiritual relationship; the relationship which is most evident throughout history, is a separate phenomenon. While the Jews themselves have been quite successful in their destruction of; first the Aryan, and then the Gentile spirit, the problem that is the essence of their success that has existed long before the two groups had any contact of note, is the Aryan himself. It has been said before, but without the necessary emphasis. While the Jews have cleverly exploited Gentile weaknesses, it is not unthinkable that even without the existence of the Jews, Gentiles would follow a similar path. For this reason, it should be evident that most of history is not the result of the plotting of some clever Jews, but in-group fallibility. Every Aryan civilisation has caused its own degradation. In this way, the Trans-Atlantic Slave trade should not be viewed any differently to the Slave trades of Rome, nor should any figure or period with negative connotations be blamed on the influence of the Jews.

    The core of this scapegoating problem is, as stated above, a problem of the inclusion of the insufficiently intelligent within the intellectual ranks of this anti-Jewish movement. For the Aryanist movement, we should aim for action and not moribund, relentless; and worst of all, pointless, pseudo-inquiry and rejection of actual authority. This is required, for the reason the unintelligent are included amongst the intellectuals is primarily because there is nothing to do in the anti-Jewish movement but speculate on this or that historical or contemporary person, era or idea. This is opposed to any group which supports the concept of a victory by informing, that “we” will be victorious simply by “awakening the masses” through ceaseless flooding of pseudo-intellectual and historical information. While information is definitely important in swaying the masses, it is only information in small doses; and preferably with proportionately high emotional content, that is necessary. This way, the prevention of the unintelligent from contradicting the intellectuals; and because of their numbers, overwhelming them, becomes as simple as restricting our propaganda efforts to a generalised and condensed format.

    However, there are also a number of causes which pollute the propaganda and beliefs of those intelligent enough to be involved with the intellectuals. I think the fundamental issue is a lack of respect and a lack of thought. The majority of the anti-Jewish movement is composed of Americans who were born after the 1970s. As is stereotypically the case, they lack both respect and thought and indulge in their opposites. None are too afraid to accuse a certain person of historical value of being a Jew after only an hour of research. Similarly, many are under the illusion that their opinions, based on typically immature insights, opinions and a lack of wisdom, are actually of substance. Perhaps one of the reasons the anti-Jewish movement is having so much trouble is precisely because of this. For those in the past lacked the degree of, and in some cases any, historical precedence – at least that they were aware of – that proved their beliefs. Even in the case of National Socialist Germany, many may notice that certain members of the Elite were comparatively un-educated on the “Jewish Problem”. Despite this, the National Socialists were completely capable of forming proper policy and establishing an “official line” on the subject. While we are far more informed, we lack any wisdom. Instead of thinking, we give our opinions. Instead of analysing, we wait for someone else to do so, in order to reproduce the same analysis with alterations fitting our own opinions. All in all, this is the result of the badly parented younger generations who have been nurtured to the point of a collective egotistical narcissism.

    An enormous amount of collective dysfunction are part of this problem, but I believe the above are the most detrimental. While they do not yet effect Aryanism, they will with its expansion. For this reason, we must target the right groups with our propaganda and our members must be able to follow without fully understanding the situation. We must entice the Elite with Aryanist spirit and the masses with a party platform. All in all, if we are able to create loyalty, we will be able to successfully create a mainstream movement which does not suffer from the usual side-effects of division, factionalism and fragility.

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