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    Goebbels caused the death of his six own children and thousands of german children soldiers. Hitler ruined germany completely and by far more than any jew, communist, liberal politicians ever did. How germanic ist that?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Haduloha View Post
    How germanic ist that?
    Have you read the Nibelungenlied?
    "Nothing is more disgusting than the majority: because it consists of a few powerful predecessors, of rogues who adapt themselves, of weak who assimilate themselves, and the masses who imitate without knowing at all what they want." (Johann Wolfgang Goethe)

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    Quote Originally Posted by Huginn ok Muninn View Post
    Yes, voting by guests has been enabled. Likely SOMEONE wants to create the impression that Skadi is a site whose members are completely oriented toward the 30's style NSDAP. Gee, I wonder who might want to do that?
    Sounds like the Russian elections... didn't Putin miraculously receive votes from some inhabitants of the cemeteries?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Haduloha View Post
    Goebbels caused the death of his six own children and thousands of german children soldiers. Hitler ruined germany completely and by far more than any jew, communist, liberal politicians ever did. How germanic ist that?
    Many years ago, I tried to rationalize a pro-Germanic-yet-anti-Hitler stance just as you do here. While there is a natural urge to be positive about one's own people, there is also a great desire to conform to the social norms which have been set up by those powers which ultimately define them. In the case of Hitler and the NSDAP, these norms approach religion, and it is required that one adhere unwaveringly to the dogma that Hitler is the devil. In other parts of the anti-Germanic West, to say anything positive about Hitler might cost you your job and perhaps result in ostracism from the religious zealots who are the indoctrinated mainstream. In Germany or Austria, such heresy could cost you years in prison. This sort of inquisitorial religious fervor scares most people into conformity, at least on the surface, but as rational human beings we cannot allow such tyranny to compromise the inner workings of our minds, to blind us to an objective, empirical assessment of what is and is not real.

    There were no good choices for the German leadership at the time you speak of. An earlier surrender may have been an option had the Allies been honorable men, but history had shown otherwise at Versailles, and in the last stages of the war, with the strafing of women and children, and the murder raids at Dresden and many other non-military targets. Later, in the Rhein camps, well, are you going to blame that on the dead Hitler as well? To blame Hitler for any of the destruction of Germany is not rational, because it was not he who destroyed it. Indeed, it was not he who declared war in 1933, it was international Judea, with the blessings and funding ultimately coming from the Zionist Rothschilds themselves. Their agent Baruch maneuvered both FDR and Churchill into their positions to oppose Germany, and once the United States had entered WWII, Germany's position was untenable.

    Now, who was responsible for Germany's destruction in 1918? Is this to be blamed upon National Socialism as well? Oh, no, there was another ism given the blame in that case. It was supposedly all the Kaiser's fault then, too. The losers in war are truly guilty of but one thing, and that is losing. The destruction of Germany was done by fools after WWI and by brainwashed, hate-filled zealots during and after WWII, and not by the German leadership. Contrast the Congress of Vienna if you want to see the civil way to deal with a defeated foe. And this was the doing of those "evil monarchists" at the time! The same so-called criminals who were dealt with so harshly at Versailles! But this loud vilification hid the true agenda, which had been the real reason for the war in the first place, and that was the destruction of the Monarchical power structures to be replaced by the captured democracies of the Rothschilds. Ultimately, in the eyes of this power of ultimate wealth, Hitler's biggest crime was to defy this coup of materialism against the human spirit, and so he was in turn vilified ten times as thoroughly as the Kaiser had been. Both sides did terrible things during WWII, but the greatest sin was in losing, because the common honor-less rabble who are the leaders of democracies were incapable of dealing honorably with a defeated foe, especially when the moneyed gangsters who were the real men in charge were calling the shots from London City anyway.

    By they way, how is it going now trying to appease the Jews? Is it working yet? Are they finally satisfied? No one respects a slave... at least Hitler knew that much.
    Most people think as they are trained to think, and most people make a majority.

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    Quite an elaborate response to a mindless sweeping statement.
    I am afraid simply joining in the blame game against Hitler isn't really a sign of intelligence and independent thinking.

    The thesis that Hitler and the NSDAP did not cause world war two and to the contrary spent quite some effort to prevent or avoid it, may not be popular amongs court historians. But is one that is definetely more defendable from the documents and events that took place between 1933 and 1945.
    "And God proclaims as a first principle to the rulers, and above all else, that there is nothing which they should so anxiously guard, or of which they are to be such good guardians, as of the purity of the race. They should observe what elements mingle in their offspring;..." Plato Politeia

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    Is it my imagination of are there another 1000 or so members in favour of Hitler/NS since the last time I looked (just a few weeks ago)?

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    For Samisdat14 (30.6. on various boards) there is no question what to think about "Hitler and Old NS".

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    "Sieg über Lügen"


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    Hitler was Marx and Mein Kampf was the Communist Manifesto for Germany. Incidentally, Utopia is the original behind both. I'm a pragmatist but with ideal conditions in mind. I can't say that the NS Reich went about things how I would have. All they ought to have done, was take back East Prussia, Elsass-Lothringen and Austria. If it was just about land reclamation, it would have worked. As a show of good faith, they should have issued formal apologies for the occupation of Benelux and Jutland, also refraining from further invasions of Germanic lands.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Huginn ok Muninn View Post
    Many years ago, I tried to rationalize a pro-Germanic-yet-anti-Hitler stance just as you do here. While there is a natural urge to be positive about one's own people, there is also a great desire to conform to the social norms which have been set up by those powers which ultimately define them. In the case of Hitler and the NSDAP, these norms approach religion, and it is required that one adhere unwaveringly to the dogma that Hitler is the devil. In other parts of the anti-Germanic West, to say anything positive about Hitler might cost you your job and perhaps result in ostracism from the religious zealots who are the indoctrinated mainstream. In Germany or Austria, such heresy could cost you years in prison. This sort of inquisitorial religious fervor scares most people into conformity, at least on the surface, but as rational human beings we cannot allow such tyranny to compromise the inner workings of our minds, to blind us to an objective, empirical assessment of what is and is not real.
    .....
    That's indeed egg dancing. There is perhaps three issues people pull out against Hitler:
    1. "The Holocaust" - Sorry didn't happen, the narrative is a social construct from atrocity propaganda and Jewish tough luck yarn.
    2. "Hitler caused World War Two" - No, he didn't - Any objective investigation of the German-Polish conflict culminating in August 1939 will show that. Hitler actually had quite reasonable proposals to settle the issue and showed serious interest into resolving the issue on a later stage peacefully.
    3. "Nazi-Germany was a dictatorship that threw any opposition in concentration camps". It's of course true that Communist and other rather rabid opponents were locked up in prison or camps. But it's actually quite understandable in the light that Germany was at the brink of civil war in the early 1930s. The NS-idea of people's representation after their transformation program was actually a parliament made up from vocational groups (Staendeparlament). This makes indeed more sense than multiparty democracy , which is essentially leading to plutocratic rule meaning that those that have money and influence to lobby can call the shot on what party and representatives will come into positions of power. The ruling parties in any Western country can only win elections by having backing from the main-stream media as well as donations from the large banks and big business. Sure there is some other factors, but that's actually the status quo.

    As for the use of force: Any state and government do that. And when you challenge them meaningfully, they also will crush you either way. And mostly they only have to use threats and harassment. Bear in mind that those imprisoned by NS-Germany before 1939 were also only a tiny fraction of those voting for the non-NS parties as well.


    One can of course now go and critique single policies and decisions. One may point out the price controls interfering with free enterprise or that there were no alternative trade-unions allowed, but I think that can be said about other real life systems as well.

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    Disclaimer: I will add that I don't identify with "Nazism" and it's merry band of modern followers. I don't even consider myself a nationalist. And I don't follow Hitlerist ideologies either (i.e. Savitri, Serrano). Just wanted to clarify on misconceptions most people hold about the dead man, including his supposed followers. I want to furnish this subject with an objective analysis.

    Quote Originally Posted by Rodskarl Dubhgall View Post
    Hitler was Marx and Mein Kampf was the Communist Manifesto for Germany.
    Hitler was a revolutionary and Mein Kampf was partly propaganda for a German Christian majority (i.e. "original sin", "image of god", temple cleansing; which would later be gradually dropped in favor of his actual private philosophy). But he was not a Marx.

    First of all, Marx was a philosophical writer. Hitler was an orator.

    Second: Marx denied the value of an individual, substituting the individual's and nation's right to assert their existence for collectivism.

    We can group most competing systems into three categories: nationalism (regard for the nation), humanism (regard for human life), and globalism (regard for all life). Too much regard for the nation results in the chauvinism which has plagued Europe for so long. Petty conflicts between brothers. Didn't Jesus teach "you are all brothers" and Mohammed proclaim that god moulded the people so that they "would get to know each other"? Internationalism still has it's merits (i.e. language, food). It just shouldn't be forced on people, it should come naturally.

    Too much regard for human life results in a perverse morality which leaves other life forms out of the picture (animals are just regarded as objects, with no souls and no prospect of a future beyond death. Pets are treated as replaceable) and seeks to subjugate nature (man feels free to venture out into space and disturb other planets as long as it's good for him. He has yet to master his own resources, let alone deliver three quarters of Earth's human population from starvation and poverty, but nonetheless, can go on plundering other worlds).

    Too much regard for all life results in pacifism and an irrational contempt for death (so according to those who say that all life is precious, we can't defend ourselves from sharks, should let lice infest our heads, and shouldn't manage the population of hares. And in consideration for the "six million" Jewish victims, the idea of reincarnation and karma is unjust). Much of our problems stem from an imbalance.

    Hitler was a nationalist, yet he wrestled with reactionaries, the churches and the aristocracy. If he were around today, he wouldn't be ranting on about immigration and Islam, but would strictly emphasize the Jewish question. If the table talks can be relied on, Hitler was a humanist (at least privately). And Hitler was a globalist insofar as his attitude towards animals and plant life was rational.

    Third: Marx promoted a one-sided materialism. To him, there was only the physical, nothing beyond that. For instance, the environment was often considered a factor in developing social life, with race or education having little bearing. Sentimentality disproves his points. And no other people in the world have been cursed with it than the Germans. The myth of German collective guilt is dispelled by all accounts. Many Germans protested against the "Nazi" treatment of Jews. According to Georgi Plekhanov, the Marxist ideology traces it's roots to Democritus.

    Whereas Hitler affirmed Ernst Haeckel's hylozoism and even employs similar terminology (the theologian Richard Weikart points out how they shared the same view on abortion).

    Quote Originally Posted by Rodskarl Dubhgall View Post
    Incidentally, Utopia is the original behind both.
    Marx reassures his followers that the true socialism can be attained in the long run and they just need to wait for the opportunity to bring it about. And so on and on they will prate about how true socialism has yet to be realized, blame their mistakes on the people (especially Stalinists), and emphasize the "idealist" nature of their system, either having read Marx's works superficially or studied very little of Marxist philosophy.

    The dictator Hitler, by default, did not rule by vague utopian promises and slogans. Instead, he employed intolerance and violence when he found it necessary, justifying it by referencing the Church's past and pointing out how Christianity's emergence changed the way the civilized world went about in it's conduct. He confined his ambitions to the European continent (mainstream historian Trevor-Roper always insisted on this). He obviously did not intend to conquer the American continent as is commonly portrayed or the Middle East (rather, he wanted to foster good relations with the latter).

    Quote Originally Posted by Rodskarl Dubhgall View Post
    I'm a pragmatist but with ideal conditions in mind. I can't say that the NS Reich went about things how I would have. All they ought to have done, was take back East Prussia, Elsass-Lothringen and Austria. If it was just about land reclamation, it would have worked. As a show of good faith, they should have issued formal apologies for the occupation of Benelux and Jutland, also refraining from further invasions of Germanic lands.
    What does pragmatism have to do with philosophy?

    Quote Originally Posted by Theunissen View Post
    3. "Nazi-Germany was a dictatorship that threw any opposition in concentration camps". It's of course true that Communist and other rather rabid opponents were locked up in prison or camps. But it's actually quite understandable in the light that Germany was at the brink of civil war in the early 1930s.
    Furthermore, former Communists were often the ones released after a short time. I.e. Ernst Torgler. A lot of them saw the error of their ways, especially when they heard from people who had participated in the Russian campaign. Many memoirs from German survivors emphasize the anti-Christian nature of Soviet Russia.

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