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Thread: What do you Think of Hitler and National Socialism?

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    I have to ask the thread author out of curiosity, what are his/her intentions with this thread?

    When I see these threads asking board member opinions about NS/Hitler, although it has been asked and answered already in other board areas, I have a feeling they're created to "prove" Skadi has a NS-sympathetic membership. Although some like "is the membership hostile to NS" were created by insecure NS themselves.
    THINK! It's not illegal yet.

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    Trolling and Satire?

    Quote Originally Posted by Godwinson View Post
    Well said, BRMovement

    For some time now there have been a couple of individuals trolling round any threads to do with Hitler/Germany (and even many that aren’t!) just to insult NS members.

    Apart from "Nazi", you will probably also be called a "Nutzie", "Dress-Up Nazi" or a "Nazi Fetishist" before long, and these are just some of the recent examples I can think of! It’s all a bit puerile to be honest, but the irony is that these mindless neo-Cons are at the same time advocating a US foreign policy that goes way beyond anything Hitler even dreamed of.

    I think most of us can see where they’re coming from …
    Do you mean me? "If the supposed facts can't stand up to Satire they aren't worth much as facts or as a basis for ideology". So for trying to get to the "truth" I'm going to be issued an inverted red triangle and shipped to the camps once again"? BTW, I've never voted Conservative in my life! Whether it's Old-con or Neo-con. Long live Moderate Republicanism and the Federalist mindset...

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    To be fair, I think both sides of the NS vs Non-NS argument will namecall and accuse each other of being "ignorant" or one-sided.

    For every opinion or belief someone may hold there will always be another party who just as much opposes that view, both sides usually sit to claim with the best argument, the real facts, and the correct worldview. And ironically, both sides accuse the other of being indoctrinated, blind to the obvious and downright stupid. Most people only expose themselves to their own worldview, because it's uncomfortable to do otherwise. So please folks, let's stop bashing eachother. We all came here for a common purpose.

    I think the question we need to ask is, Was Hitler right because of intentions and what he actually achieved during his reign or was he a fool and one of the worst leaders in history because of his choices he made before & after the war?

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    Quote Originally Posted by wittwer View Post
    Do you mean me? "If the supposed facts can't stand up to Satire they aren't worth much as facts or as a basis for ideology". So for trying to get to the "truth" I'm going to be issued an inverted red triangle and shipped to the camps once again"? BTW, I've never voted Conservative in my life! Whether it's Old-con or Neo-con. Long live Moderate Republicanism and the Federalist mindset...
    On these boards any American not apt to jump on the blame America bandwagon in terms of foreign affairs is apt to be ignorantly called a 'neo-con'. It happens to me regularly, even though I'm a foreign policy realist, and realists are at enmity with neo-cons. I also opposed going into Iraq, but that doesn't seem to stop the chorus either.

    For all practical purposes 'neo-con' has become a sort of codeword for 'you dirty Jew' or 'you dirty American'.

    On the issue of National Socialism I will say that while I have a number of problems with the NS regime itself, it pales in comparison to my disdain for neo-Nazism. Neo-Nazism offers us no way forward. Serious preservationists will put aside the armbands and look for realistic ways to influence policy in our direction, not get lost in a fantasy world of nostalgia for an ideology that died 65 years ago.

    Still, neo-Nazism serves a purpose. It makes moderate nationalists look good by comparison, and teaches us all what not to do in terms of promoting white interests.

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    On these boards any American not apt to jump on the blame America bandwagon in terms of foreign affairs is apt to be ignorantly called a 'neo-con'. It happens to me regularly, even though I'm a foreign policy realist, and realists are at enmity with neo-cons.
    Completely wrong! My issue is that you’re a Jewish troll and your “patriotism” stems purely from the fact that the USA is fighting Israel’s wars! Easy to be a “US patriot” in these circumstances, isn’t it? You can call your foreign policy “realism” if you like, and claim that shooting some ragheads in Afghanistan is keeping the streets of the West safe but no-one seriously believes this.

    Your promotion of European Jews, especially Wilders, who you refer to as “the most important man in the Western world” is another interesting angle to all of this. This, incidentally, is someone who has visited Israel 40 times in the past 20 years and has been watched by Dutch intelligence services, but then you knew that already, didn't you?! You also intervene on any threads criticizing Jews and downplay their influence on western governments or their control of the media etc.. and shouting "conspiracy theory" at anyone who points this out. And finally, all that twaddle about “let’s befriend the Jews” last week was further and, for me, conclusive proof of exactly where you’re coming from!

    It's clear to me that your anti-NS stance and deep hatred of Muslims have both been inbred from birth, which prevents you discussing the merits and shortcomings of either group objectively. Obviously, you can attribute your anti-Islam agenda to "saving the West" and that will find some resonance on here whilst providing a respectable facade for something that is not at all motivated by a desire for Germanic preservation.

    Joe, I repeat that you are a troll with an agenda! Anyone who was so out-of-sync with just about every other forum member (barring your sidekick, Wittwer) would have left long ago and found a more suitable place in keeping with their views. The fact that you remain can only be because you have some purpose to fulfill.

    I and many others know what that is!

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    PS. Please stop trying to divide Skadi between American and European members! You have been doing this ever since you arrived, with your notorious "Is anti-Americanism justified?" thread being the most shameful example. Even now you are playing your "anti-Americanism" or "unpatriotic" card (depending on the source of the criticism) against anyone who disagrees with your gung-ho imperialist views, but once again the more sensible posters can see right through this!

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    I think Hitler was Europes greatest ever son.The best Europe has ever produced.
    I look upon him more and more as some sort of son sent by divine providence to lead Europe out of the dark ages and into the light.
    Probably in the same light as christians look towards the jew jesus as some sort of saviour.

    As for the old NS guys...pioneers.
    I have met lots of them and didnt meet one who i didnt like....good old boys with balls of steel.

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    In my opinion Hitler had some good points and bad points. First and foremost he was a gambler and opportunist. His rise to power would not have happened if Germany was not in such despair at the time of his rise.

    I think only long term history will tell if he was truly a good man or truly a bad man. Time has a way of washing away a lot of myths and misguided facts. People then can look at history more objectively. In the end I think National Socialism, Hitler and The Third Reich will just be very small chapter on the whole history of the Germanic folk.

    We as Germanics cannot cling too much on short lived political ideologies whether they are National Socialist or any others. We must though preserve our culture and race for the future. This statement is not to make a difference between race and culture as both need to be preserved.
    Life is like a fire hydrant- sometimes you help people put out their fires, but most of the time you just get peed on by every dog in the neighborhood.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Godwinson View Post
    Completely wrong! My issue is that you’re a Jewish troll and your “patriotism” stems purely from the fact that the USA is fighting Israel’s wars! Easy to be a “US patriot” in these circumstances, isn’t it? You can call your foreign policy “realism” if you like, and claim that shooting some ragheads in Afghanistan is keeping the streets of the West safe but no-one seriously believes this.

    Your promotion of European Jews, especially Wilders, who you refer to as “the most important man in the Western world” is another interesting angle to all of this. This, incidentally, is someone who has visited Israel 40 times in the past 20 years and has been watched by Dutch intelligence services, but then you knew that already, didn't you?! You also intervene on any threads criticizing Jews and downplay their influence on western governments or their control of the media etc.. and shouting "conspiracy theory" at anyone who points this out. And finally, all that twaddle about “let’s befriend the Jews” last week was further and, for me, conclusive proof of exactly where you’re coming from!

    It's clear to me that your anti-NS stance and deep hatred of Muslims have both been inbred from birth, which prevents you discussing the merits and shortcomings of either group objectively. Obviously, you can attribute your anti-Islam agenda to "saving the West" and that will find some resonance on here whilst providing a respectable facade for something that is not at all motivated by a desire for Germanic preservation.

    Joe, I repeat that you are a troll with an agenda! Anyone who was so out-of-sync with just about every other forum member (barring your sidekick, Wittwer) would have left long ago and found a more suitable place in keeping with their views. The fact that you remain can only be because you have some purpose to fulfill.

    I and many others know what that is!

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    PS. Please stop trying to divide Skadi between American and European members! You have been doing this ever since you arrived, with your notorious "Is anti-Americanism justified?" thread being the most shameful example. Even now you are playing your "anti-Americanism" or "unpatriotic" card (depending on the source of the criticism) against anyone who disagrees with your gung-ho imperialist views, but once again the more sensible posters can see right through this!

    Ah, THIS again.

    Consider my last response to this nonsense a sort of stock answer as it seems your paranoid episodes are going to be a habit:

    http://forums.skadi.net/showpost.php...&postcount=102


    Godwinson,

    My paranoid conspiracy theory tops your paranoid conspiracy theory.

    You see, I have a theory that net Nazis are closet Muslims. Why? Because they favor actions (or more accurately, non-actions) that effectively help facilitate Muslim inflow into the West. If anyone suggests that something realistic be done to blunt Muslim inflow they respond with 'No, I won't support that, as it might help a Jew somewhere!', or alternately, 'There is a Jew in that party, and everyone knows even one Jew leads ALL of the Gentiles in the party around by the nose!', or 'I won't support this anti-Muslim policy, as anything less than putting Jews on cattle cars immediately is simply unacceptable! And if you support this anti-Muslim policy, you are a Jew!'

    See, I can be just as silly as you are, except whereas I'm joking, you and the other Nutzis on this thread are actually serious.

    Thanks for yet another reminder as to why neo-Nazis are the laughingstock of the nationalist movement. I certainly got a howl out of this...
    Quote Originally Posted by TommyAtkins View Post
    I think Hitler was Europes greatest ever son.The best Europe has ever produced.
    I look upon him more and more as some sort of son sent by divine providence to lead Europe out of the dark ages and into the light.
    Probably in the same light as christians look towards the jew jesus as some sort of saviour.

    As for the old NS guys...pioneers.
    I have met lots of them and didnt meet one who i didnt like....good old boys with balls of steel.
    Originally Posted by BRMovement
    It was God's will that a man from German-Austria, from nothing, brought Germany to a national reawakening and curatively did away with European Jewry - the latter being his gift to the world, that he lanced the Jewish abcess of profligacy and filth. Among other traits, Hitler had the gift to act in a manner which ultimately portrayed that upon him was bestowed a devine mission, he created a mythological persona, which was why he never smiled in photo's and acted accordingly. It is only in the course of thousands of years that one will find an orator, a politician, a writer, and a theoretician all wedded into one as was with Adolf Hitler. It suffices to say, Hitler was a genius.

    In fact, even knowing that he achieved what he did through his gifts, and the fact that he among a few in his own circles saw Jews represented to Europe only financial enslavement to lies, it is even now, hard for me to not see him as a god-like figure.
    LOL. Seriously, is this sort of stuff to be believed? It reads like a SNL skit making fun of neo-Nazis.

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    alrighty then, this thread is starting to turn pretty juvenile....


    I like to think of it this way:
    Replace the nazi with the original poster and the group is us.
    His question is "What do you think of Hitler and the Old German NS?"
    slide 3 ensues.

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    If one considers the aftermath of the second world war one has to question where did the allied triumph led? If you see the countries overwhelmed with foreign 'immigration' (a better word is occupation') did they really win the war? They fought on behalf of jews who in reiturn destroy the countries.

    The allied lost because they accepted jews as their masters .

    Hitler in straight opposition to the jews showed us how it could look like, if germanic people throw off the yoke, the jews place on germanic shoulders.

    Hitler was the first who made the world powerfully aware of the evilness and utter ruthlessness of jews. He showed how a people can flourish if the politicians and the people are in tune and work for the better of a people.

    That his politics were internally not flawless doesn't make him a bad leader, we only know that the vast majority of germans stood behind him.

    In 1948, the installing of the puppet regime in Germany, called FRG (or in german BRD), the NSDAP had to be forbidden, as most germans would have voted for them, especially after the cruel atrocities the allies supplied to the german people on behalf of jews like Eisenhower, Morgenthau and others.

    They clearly saw and knew who was in charge.

    Germans still get sucked by jews with payments for the Holocaust hoax to the bail out of Greece, which is basically paying jewish banks like Goldman Sachs for their fraudulent credits to Greece.

    Hitler would never had agreed to anything like that.

    Jews paint Hitler as the bogeyman of world history so ordinary liberals and democrats can't sleep well with the thought of this man. Jews are liars as everybody can see.

    As Gurdjieff ones said: Put the world on its head and you see clearly as it is.
    weel nich will dieken dej mot wieken

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