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    Quote Originally Posted by Eppillus View Post
    This overlapping of power helped in what it was designed for, but it made clench decisions require longer periods of time before decisions were made.
    Do you have a specific example for better understanding, and how would you have improved the system?
    "Nothing is more disgusting than the majority: because it consists of a few powerful predecessors, of rogues who adapt themselves, of weak who assimilate themselves, and the masses who imitate without knowing at all what they want." (Johann Wolfgang Goethe)

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jäger View Post
    Do you have a specific example for better understanding, and how would you have improved the system?

    I do not have a specific example, but when I get a chance to sit and find one today I will either edit this post or post again. A better system is hard to say, because the overlapping power did what it was supposed to do, never give a person besides Hitler power over a group without installing someone equal in authority to overlap. Personally I enjoyed the structure of Revolution Era America, A General (Or person of overriding power) Then people to oversee each wing (Land Air Sea Other) Then should be Commanding Officers, lastly Sargent, a Sargent should be the leader of a squad, all of whom should belong to his ethnic group. No one can argue that you feel more comradery for people of your own ethnic background, I'm much more likely to risk my life for a Germanic or Meditid than for a Slav or South American.

    This however would need tweaking to keep problems like power abuse in check. Maybe something like a vote of all the level below could override a decision from above seen as corrupt or as going against the people/monarch.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Hevneren View Post
    Where to begin? He was a megalomaniac with no regard for his troops.
    They were not “his” troops, they were the troops of Germany and as such they had a responsibility to fight under any circumstances were Germanys existence was threatened, this they did bravely and with distinction just about every, like most wars terrible prices are paid by men who does not deserve the burden. At least the reason for the war was Germanys and Europe’s continued existence. If that is not worth sending German and European men to their death in open combat I don’t know what is. Also Harking on Hitler as a megalomaniac sounds like a line from a Hollywood movie.

    Quote Originally Posted by Hevneren View Post
    He is responsible for the death of millions of Europeans.
    How exactly was this Hitler’s fault? Please elaborate, as far as I am concerned the blame lies firmly with Zionist jews and their international racketeering scheme ie. world free trade.

    Quote Originally Posted by Hevneren View Post
    He abused old religious symbols like the swastika and the sig rune for his political ideology.
    This is entirely subjective, you cannot say that he abused it as any Germanic people has a right to carry these symbols, their meaning is subjective and is not for you to decide who is right or wrong in this regard.

    Quote Originally Posted by Hevneren View Post
    He supported Christianity, a Middle Eastern religion.
    BS:

    The heaviest blow that ever struck humanity was the coming of Christianity. Bolshevism is Christianity's illegitimate child. Both are inventions of the Jew. The deliberate lie in the matter of religion was introduced into the world by Christianity. Bolshevism practises a lie of the same nature, when it claims to bring liberty to men, whereas in reality it seeks only to enslave them. In the ancient world, the relations between men and gods were founded on an instinctive respect. It was a world enlightened by the idea of tolerance. Christianity was the first creed in the world to exterminate its adversaries in the name of love. Its key-note is intolerance. Without Christianity, we should not have had Islam. The Roman Empire, under Germanic influence, would have developed in the direction of world-domination, and humanity would not have extinguished fifteen centuries of civilisation at a single stroke. Let it not be said that Christianity brought man the life of the soul, for that evolution was in the natural order of things. The result of the collapse of the Roman Empire was a night that lasted for centuries.
    From: Hitler’s Table Talk

    Quote Originally Posted by Hevneren View Post
    He attacked and occupied countries that had never attacked Germany.
    In every case a justification can be found that was the way Hitler worked.

    Quote Originally Posted by Hevneren View Post
    He was an imperialist and not a real nationalist.
    Nou you are just throwing terms around…

    Quote Originally Posted by Hevneren View Post
    He ordered the murderer of millions of unarmed civilians.
    Again, supporting evidence in this regard if you please?

    Quote Originally Posted by Hevneren View Post
    He supported fascism, a corrupt and morally bankrupt ideology.
    The Italians would beg to differ, they managed growth and prosperity under the Duce which the rest of Europe and the world could only dream of at that stage, excluding “evil” Hitler’s Germany of course. Germany Needed allies because Norway, Sweden, Denmark and the Netherlands was to weekend politically, ideologically and socialy to aid their brethren in a war that concerned them just as much as Germany…

    Quote Originally Posted by Hevneren View Post
    He was a coward and in the end he proved himself to be incompetent as a leader, overstretching his forces by attacking the Soviet Union.
    Now you are just taking a piss, how, were and when was Hitler a coward and don’t use his suicide as your justification. With Germany fighting the world they were always going to be overstretched, Germany had to pre-empt Stalin who were preparing bases in eastern Europe for his assault on Germany, come to think of it, you would probably have grown up under soviet rule had it not been for that “megalomaniacs” actions.

    Quote Originally Posted by Hevneren View Post
    He was potentially the worst thing that ever happened to Europe, given that WWII lead to more than 72 million dead (most of them in Europe), and whole cities in ruins.
    You lack insight, you see the effect and label them causes. This was the work of Zionist who could not and cannot stand a free and strong Europe.

    Quote Originally Posted by Hevneren View Post
    Not only that, but it lead to more white guilt and feeling ashamed of our past, and the use of certain religious symbols, like the swastika.
    Post war propaganda form jews, nothing more… If you feel guilt perhaps you should blame your own gullible view of the world and not Hitler.

    Quote Originally Posted by Hevneren View Post
    On a more personal level, Hitler gave the orders for Nazi Germany to invade and occupy Norway, imposing an unelected fascist dictatorship on my people. As a proud nationalist, I cannot under any circumstance accept any foreign power in this land.
    Here I can at least partially understand your point, however your Government were very much in jewish hands.

    Quote Originally Posted by Hevneren View Post
    Furthermore, my views are diametrically opposed to Nazism/fascism. I will always support a free and democratic Norway with rights for the individual.
    You don’t grasp the basic tenants of National Socialism or democracy for that matter so you are excused for your ignorance.

    Please watch this film and then talk about “evil” Hitler…

    Quote Originally Posted by Lew Skannon View Post
    In the shadow of Hermes, a swedish production.

    In the shadow of Hermes
    If the Norwegian campaign had failed, we should not have been able to create the conditions which were a pre-requisite for the success of our submarines. Without the coast of Norway at our disposal, we should not have been able to launch our attacks against the ports of the Midlands and Northern Britain, and operations in the Arctic waters would also have been impracticable.
    From: Hitler's Table Talk

    Also It was Britain that first started activities in Norwegian waters and as such they dragged you into the war, the same goes for the Netherlands as far as I am concerned...
    Although the word "Commando" was wrongly used to describe all Boer soldiers, a commando was a unit formed from a particular district. None of the units was organized in regular companies, battalions or squadrons. The Boer commandos were individualists who were difficult to control, resented formal discipline or orders, and earned a British jibe that"every Boer was his own general".

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    Quote Originally Posted by Heidi XX View Post
    He knew who Europe's enemy was,no one else did. The Jews are out to destroy all races on earth but they are doing it under the radar. Hitler wanted all nationalities to flourish in there own countries. Hitler of cause wanted this for Germany and Austria to.
    I'm not a part of the "blame the Jews" bandwagon. I believe in taking responsibility for your own country.

    And these same people are destroying you're beloved land today!
    In centuries of Europe's history,there has been many wars and many deaths.
    Last time I checked, my country was still standing, and might I add, outperforming the entire planet on several paremetres.

    This is what the Jew media wants Germanic's to think. The Jews succeeded with you, I am afraid.
    I really have no patience for this. read something besides NS websites.

    What about the Jews in control you're country today?
    See above. No such thing. The Jews in Norway number less than 1,500 people, and last time a Jewish man was in politics here was during the 80's.

    Norwegians don't have any say today,Thanks to the Jewish. Jews flooded you're country with any thing but white Europeans into you're country. Hitler would had flooded you're country with Europeans Germanic's.
    I think I can determine what we can or cannot say better than you can, and I can tell you that we still have free speech, despite the efforts of Muslims to take that away from us.

    Right now,I am watching the 3rd Reich. Saw Berlin on film complete all white,people were happy and proud. Of cause the Jews had advertised how evil the Nazi's were in the same film. Jews will never brain wash me either! This brainwashing from the Jews did not work. It made me more want to support the Nazi's. It is clearly a Jew brainwashing film trying there best to brain wash the rest of us. I suggest you never watch this film,you are weak in the mind.
    You made your conclusions based on a single film, and I am the weak minded one?


    My grand mother was in the British army all right through WWII. She has a collection of the third Reich complete story- from the magazines to the videos! All the volumes! Even my own grand mother wanted to learn about the Nazi's,all the Nazi generals,wanted to know about them. She was a British lass wishing she could had been apart of this Germany in her life time.
    Well, I want to be Norwegian, and not German. Never did and never will.

    My grand mother and grand father left Britain for one reason only- Too many African migrations and other dark migration that entered Britain. This proves my grand mother was not proud that the allies had won WWII.
    So, the choice is either a fascist Nazi Germany or immigration? I consider that a false choice, and I choose "none of the above".

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ocko View Post
    I understand your hate for germans invading your country but hurling lies and slander against mine is not a noble thing. That puts you down.
    It is clear that you and I have read completely different history books. Yours are coloured by NS glasses, and mine are colured by reality. It was Nazi Germany that invaded Poland, was it not? It was Nazi Germany that invaded and occupied Norway, Denmark, the Netherlands and so on, was it not? Nazi Germany started the war, Nazi Germany killed off millions of its own troops and its own civilians during the course of the war. At the end, Hitler ordered children to fight for the Reich. This is a simple fact. The Nazi Party ordered euthanasia programmes on tens of thousands of German children before the war. This is a fact. Nazi Germany sent millions to their deaths in concentration camps. This is a fact.

    Aditionally, I'd like to point out that IG Farben, IBM and other companies used slave labour in Germany, which made Nazi Germany a slave labour economy. This is a fact.

    I will never, under any circumstance, accept imperialism, nor will I under any circumstance accept a foreign power on my land. Germans and those of German ancestry on here scream about nationalism and a free Germany, but are quick to praise Hitler, who violated the national integrity of the nations his forces invaded. I call that hypocrisy at its worse. You, sir, have shown that you condone Hitler's imperialism and violation of the integrity of sovereign nations. Therefore, I do have to wonder whether you are in fact a nationalist or not.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Elessar View Post
    Oh Hevneren and I have been over this before
    http://forums.skadi.net/showthread.p...=served&page=6
    Yes, and I still stand by every single word I wrote. Nazi Germany was a fascist, failed state built on slave labour and destruction of not only other nations, but its own. Hitler let millions of Germans die for his own megalomania, overstretching Nazi Germany's resources, which resulted in catastrophy. He had no love for his adopted Germany, as his careless actions prove. Had he really cared about Germany, he wouldn't have fought everyone at once. He should've kept out of the Soviet Union, and not waged war on the United States. Had he stuck to continent Europe, he may have ha a chance, but no, he blew it because he was "appointed by God" to do what he did. Megalomania.

    I have no love for someone who kills off millions of his adopted countrymen, as well as killing of millions of unarmed civilians, tainiting holy religious symbols with his petty political megalomania, and violating the national integrity of other sovereign nations by invading them. I have nothing but disdain for Hitler. It doesn't really help that he was a short, swarthy, brown eyed man who talked about the blond, blue eyed "master race", either. He had no credibility.

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    As you are not disturbed by any facts but driven by hate I think it is pointless to answer you.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Grimminger View Post
    They were not “his” troops, they were the troops of Germany and as such they had a responsibility to fight under any circumstances were Germanys existence was threatened, this they did bravely and with distinction just about every, like most wars terrible prices are paid by men who does not deserve the burden. At least the reason for the war was Germanys and Europe’s continued existence. If that is not worth sending German and European men to their death in open combat I don’t know what is. Also Harking on Hitler as a megalomaniac sounds like a line from a Hollywood movie.
    I don't believe one man's raving lunacy and megalomania is worth sending millions of people into their deaths, no. You and I clearly define "continued existence" differently.

    That you honestly believe Nazi Germany launched a war for anything but its own sake, tells me that you are the naive one, not me. Nazi Germany couldn't care less about the rest of Europe, as its invasion of neutral and peaceful European countries proved.

    How exactly was this Hitler’s fault? Please elaborate, as far as I am concerned the blame lies firmly with Zionist jews and their international racketeering scheme ie. world free trade.
    As the old saying goes: "you break it, you pay for it". Nazi Germany invaded Poland and sparked WWII. They started the war.

    This is entirely subjective, you cannot say that he abused it as any Germanic people has a right to carry these symbols, their meaning is subjective and is not for you to decide who is right or wrong in this regard.
    I'm not the one making the definitions. The swastika is and always has been an religious, spiritual symbol, not a symbol for personal political use by a megalomaniacal Austrian.


    Nou you are just throwing terms around…
    Creating an empire makes you an imperialist. Hitler wanted to create a Germanic Empire, invading and destroying peaceful nations that have never been a part of Germany, and wanting to force us into his Reich.

    Again, supporting evidence in this regard if you please?
    Pick up a history book.

    The Italians would beg to differ, they managed growth and prosperity under the Duce which the rest of Europe and the world could only dream of at that stage, excluding “evil” Hitler’s Germany of course. Germany Needed allies because Norway, Sweden, Denmark and the Netherlands was to weekend politically, ideologically and socialy to aid their brethren in a war that concerned them just as much as Germany…
    While you consider it weak to be nationalist and mind your own business, I consider it a strength. Norway had no interest in getting involved in Nazi Germany's fascist, imperialistic wet dream of destroying the national integrity of other nations and placing millions of people in concentration camps and slave labour. Norway was concerned with Norway's business, end of story. Nazi Germany was more than happy to come and take our rights away, destroy our economy and kill our people, so the bit about being "brethren" does nothing for me. We fought for our nation, which was all we should've done anyway.

    Now you are just taking a piss, how, were and when was Hitler a coward and don’t use his suicide as your justification. With Germany fighting the world they were always going to be overstretched, Germany had to pre-empt Stalin who were preparing bases in eastern Europe for his assault on Germany, come to think of it, you would probably have grown up under soviet rule had it not been for that “megalomaniacs” actions.
    Cry me a river. If you don't want to fight the world, then don't attack the world.

    You lack insight, you see the effect and label them causes. This was the work of Zionist who could not and cannot stand a free and strong Europe.
    So, Nazi Germany's solution to preserving a free and strong Europe, was to enslave Europe under a Nazi dictatorship run from Berlin? You're not making any sense.

    Post war propaganda form jews, nothing more… If you feel guilt perhaps you should blame your own gullible view of the world and not Hitler.
    No, I just cringe when I see people praise a man who caused so much destruction and death, including sending millions of his adopted countrymen to their deaths.

    Here I can at least partially understand your point, however your Government were very much in jewish hands.
    Yes, we were swamped by the 2,200 Jews who had absolutely no political power here. *sarcasm off*

    You might want to stop blaming the Jews for every little thing and maybe start realising that our own people are to blame for their mistakes. It's called taking responsibility, rather than playing the victim.

    You don’t grasp the basic tenants of National Socialism or democracy for that matter so you are excused for your ignorance.
    I know enough about National Socialism to know that we should fight it to the death, to preserve our proud nation and its values, as we did during WWII.

    Also It was Britain that first started activities in Norwegian waters and as such they dragged you into the war, the same goes for the Netherlands as far as I am concerned...
    Correct, but they were not the ones who invaded our country, installed an unelected, illegal puppet regime, murdered our people, destroyed our towns and destroyed our economy.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Hevneren View Post
    TL;DR
    Ever heard of the meme: You're trying too hard. ?
    Well... you're trying too hard.

    Nobody cares how greatly you hate Hitler, going on bawwwing tangents, we've heard it all before. You're on a forum with a great many of National-Socialists who will type their fingers off before anybody comes to a logical agreement.

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    Hitler was the greatest statesman and political genious of the 20'th century. An extraordinary inspirational man that revived the old germanic spirit in the german people as well as many other european peoples. His ideas are immortal and universal in the sense that any race or people can find practical solutions to their problems in the NS doctrine. NS as a "weltanschau" however, was and is the germanic world view. Without it we will not be able to find ourselves again.

    Adolf Hitler was also a man like all other men. He made mistakes and even comitted injustices.

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