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    Quote Originally Posted by Plantagenet View Post
    I can't see how with the advent of modern modes of transportation, with our burning of fossil fuels, with the construction of modern cities, and with the population explosion how one could argue nature is better off now than in the past. How many animals have become endangered and lost their habitats in the past century alone?




    Well I think Evola has some good ideas, but I don't think he ever explicitly stated feudalism was his ideal form of government, nor do I. I think he was more of an admirer of the caste system of the Vedic world and certain aspects of ancient Rome, and really he often favors civilizations that existed in very ancient history. There was more human innovation and invention occurring in the ancient Greco-Roman world than throughout most of human history until European advancement during the post-Renaissance period. Like I said, I am not anti-Science or technology, and I appreciate the inventions of my ancestors, but I still think that technology can be just as equally destructive to our civilization as it is beneficial.



    He also hails cultures outside of the West and really he feels as though the last remnants of his ideal society had died after the time of Frederick II Hohenstaufen and was on its way to its ultimate end, our modern era, starting in and around the Renaissance.



    Our technology can be used for our good or our ill. Television, radio, movies--these have greatly increased the amount of propaganda and thought-control disposable to a ruler to a degree unimaginable to anyone from the past. These fighter jets and nuclear weapons can also be used to control us, and are now in the hands of our enemies. People have been invading white lands for a long time, but now people from half-way across the world can show up at your doorstep due to technology. The chances of sub-Saharan Africans or Polynesians living in white lands prior to modern technology were slim to none, unless we were bringing them there. Our technology has also allowed for non-White population booms, specifically India and China. This, added to some of the psychological effects and increasing dependency on technology, doesn't mean technology is all good. Just look at the amount of obesity in the West from using technology for everything, and ingesting unnatural foods mass produced, also due to technology.
    The destructive nature of technology lies in it's excess which then breeds social decadence.

    A society of excess is a deeply decadent one.

    It is one of decline and one of existential stagnation.

    In a society of excess people and things are taken for granted where all sorts of conflicts ensue.

    This is why I loathe the future since for me the general idea that is the consensus of thought for most people about the future is one where our current excess civilization transforms itself technologically only to become even more excessive than what it already is. For me nothing beneficial will come out of it.

    I think we as human beings need to start looking toward the past as a sense of our future.
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    Quote Originally Posted by AlaricLachlan View Post
    The destructive nature of technology lies in it's excess which then breeds social decadence.

    A society of excess is a deeply decadent one.

    It is one of decline and one of existential stagnation.

    In a society of excess people and things are taken for granted where all sorts of conflicts ensue.

    This is why I loathe the future since for me the general idea that is the consensus of thought for most people about the future is one where our current excess civilization transforms itself technologically only to become even more excessive than what it already is. For me nothing beneficial will come out of it.

    I think we as human beings need to start looking toward the past as a sense of our future.
    This is very true, and one reason I prefer the 1800s to the 1900s. Beginning with the destruction of Napoleon, Europe had relative peace and prosperity up until the excess you are talking about began to take hold in the early 1900s. The romantic age of the early 1800s in particular was the height of our society, before the technology of modern warfare nullified heroism as it did more and more in the years 1860-1918. I'll say 1850, the year of Lohengrin, was the absolute pinnacle.

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    I would say the La Belle Epoque from 1871 to 1914 so far was the best era of the West. I suppose some of the intellectual trends weren't ideal but at the same time, it was a prosperous and truly optimistic age. The 20th Century in a way has been a massive tragic play for the West, being torn by extremenists and fanatics and then cast into an increasingly deepening hole of moral decline. Just at the hour of its triumph, the West turned upon itself...
    But I am not pessmisstic enough to say a revival of the West can come. Much of the foundations have been laid...

    At any rate, I find the romantacizing of the pre-civilized Teutons rather nonsensical, considering most members here would, had they lived at that time died in infancy or childbirth or some easily treatable disease. Fundamentally for there to be a golden age, life needs to be meaningful for most people, not just the top 5 or 10%.

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