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    Post Women Don't Necessarily Prefer Gentlemen

    In the battle of the sexes, the odds favor the rogue.

    "Blondes Don't Necessarily Prefer Gentlemen"
    by Ronnie Lake
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    Vol. 2, No. 2, November 1956

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    We might as well face it, fellows. The truth is now and for a long time past has been that blondes (or brunettes or redheads) do not necessarily prefer gentlemen.

    The gentlest, frailest, loveliest and best-bred of women as often as not fall in love with an ape-type who hasn't climbed very far up the ladder of evolution.

    Against such a specimen, who is apt these days to hide his hairy chest under a loud, hand-painted necktie and who makes up in bellicosity for what he lacks in finesse, the gentleman hasn't a chance. And a massive physique is not a requirement. The non-gentleman may be a pimple-faced, long-sideburned misfit; he'll still make it tough on the gentleman.

    Need proof? How about Marlon Brando? How about Elvis Presley? How about--oh, well, this could go on forever.

    This is not a situation peculiar to our times; it has been going on for centuries and the Casanovas and the Rubirosas have always had it good, whereas the Abelards and Lancelots have always had it bad, propaganda to the contrary.

    The truth of the matter is that there exists in the peculiar psyche of the average female a perverse inclination to find the clean-cut gentleman somewhat dull, and to discover excitement and titillation in the rogue.

    The case of the housewife who permits herself to be supported in comfort by a well-regarded husband who is kind to her, and surreptitiously lends her body to the ministrations of a burly iceman who beats his wife and children, is typical. The iceman is apt to be stupid, sweaty, crude, loud and completely inconsiderate, but he excites the frail little housewife in a way her "nice" husband never can.

    This also goes for tender young girls in their selection of boyfriends. How many fathers have been dismayed and puzzled to see their demure daughters scorn the attentions of the high school honor student and captain of the football team in order to ride around all night with a skinny delinquent in a broken- down jalopy. Or even on the buddy seat of a motorcycle.

    There must be a reason, or reasons, for this state of affairs. An obvious point is that the clean-cut youth, be cause of his scruples, is inclined in most cases to stop short of the point where he seriously compromises a girl of what he regards as the "decent" classes, whereas old Pimple Puss doesn't give a damn. If she will, he will; and if she won't, he'll make, at least, a hell of a try at forcing the issue. In this regard, the percentages are with him.

    Security is important to a woman, but she perversely delights in placing her security in jeopardy. She craves this thrill as speed-mad motorists delight in scaring themselves to death on the highway at eighty miles an hour. In most instances, the woman is smarter than the speed-mad driver, however; she'll try to make certain that her security is secure, no matter what, before she risks it. It's when she miscalculates that the trouble starts.

    Some psychologists, in trying to explain this perversity of taste in wo men, hold that all women are born with a feeling of inferiority; they feel inferior, sometimes, simply because they are women instead of men; some times, they feel inferior to their fathers, specifically; sometimes, they feel inferior to their environment and, sometimes, they feel inferior to other women. This feeling of inferiority, say these psychologists, demands compensatory acts of abasement. By this reasoning, they explain the tendency of women to debase themselves (in the social sense) by falling in love or having affairs with the kind of male who is not approved by men of higher standards.

    But other psychologists take a simpler and more direct view. The non-gentlemanly male, they contend, often exudes a primal sex appeal that is irresistible to women, whereas the gentleman, subjected from boyhood to stern repressive training, simply has lost, or never has possessed, this primal appeal.

    Women find the gentleman dull, say these pundits, simply because, in the sexual sense, he is dull.

    The pathetic figure of the hopeful, shy, polite, well-clad and overly considerate suitor is a familiar one in the literature of American humor. In cartoons, he is usually pictured standing outside his beloved's door, bearing a huge bouquet of flowers. The girl, in filmy negligee, may be seen through the open door and, in the background, reclines a coarse, leering and obviously successful seducer. In these cartoons, the laugh is always on the gentleman.

    These cartoons are funny precisely because they hold up to light a ridiculous truth, namely that gentlemen of ten find themselves, to their bewilderment, in exactly the position illustrated by the cartoon. And, conversely, so do the heels.

    Let us make our own position clear at this point. We're on the gentleman's side. We wish things were going better for him in the Battle of the Sexes. Our intent, until now, has been merely to report the facts of the situation as accurately as possible.

    But now it is tune to examine the facts and to see if there are factors that can be used to enhance the position of our standard bearer, the gentle man, vis a vis that of the heel. We think the situation is not hopeless, at least in theory, although generations of malpractice on the part of all concerned may create difficulty in turning the tide.

    Assuming, by and large, that the typical gentleman is at least as physically attractive and competent as the rogue, and also bathes regularly, we are forced to the conclusion that his difficulties must stem from other qualifications, or the lack of them. What makes him "dull" to women, in the sexual sense?

    Obviously, it is something in his approach or attitude toward the so-called fair sex, and his approach, or attitude, in turn stems from his training--the things he's been brought up to believe in.

    The gentleman,. because he has been schooled to do so, is inclined to idealize Woman, which is another way of saying that he lacks a basic under standing of her. Men who really know women--and most of them are rogues who are successful with women--never make this mistake. To them, a woman is a functional creature with two arms, two legs, an assortment of muscles and what passes for a brain. The male of the species, they recognize, also possesses these fundamentals. The difference between them, while biological, is not primarily functional. Women eat, sleep, walk, talk, get hungry, have hangovers, often work for a living, develop skills, suffer disappointment and face problems of everyday living. just as men do. They have strengths and weaknesses as human beings, just as men have. They are uplifted by success and frustrated by failure just as men are.

    How is it then, that such a great proportion of the male population persists in maintaining Woman on a pedestal?

    Any sensible man (and we use the term "sensible" here in its animal connotation, not requiring the brains of an Einstein) can answer this.

    Most men with old-school ties, while superior mentally to non-gentlemen, do not possess this kind of sense. They may possess sensitivity, but not sense. Their usual approach to women is through a maze of symbols, imposed upon them by the dicta of their class:

    Honor, Virtue, Sportsmanship. Manners, Taste, Quality, Breeding, Gentility. When stricken by an uncontrollable sexual drive, they are inclined to open their wallets and seek professional solace because, traditionally, their ethics are not compromised by traffic with prostitutes, who ostensibly would not be prostitutes if they had been properly brought up and went with the right people.

    Toward women of their own class, gentlemen present a facade of decorum.

    But the women of their own class are women, too. The rogues are well aware of this. The rogue, instinctively if not precisely, is also aware that the mores of the gentleman leave him (the rogue) a wide-open field with the choicer females, who, as we've tried to demonstrate, are properly just as functional as their less socially acceptable confreres.

    Thus, the rogue starts out with an advantage over the gentleman. The simple fact that he can look at a women, estimate the degree of her necessity and act, without a single scruple, to satisfy her need, puts him way out in front. The gentleman, on the other hand, is inclined to stall. His sense of "honor" or "chivalry" leads him to endeavor to "protect the woman from herself." If, however, the urge should prove to be "bigger than both of them," he feels himself involved; his integrity demands that he offer the girl a more permanent association, meaning, generally, marriage.

    These compulsions toward responsibility are, in reality, only symbols, symbols of an outmoded (it has, actually, always been outmoded) code.

    The rogue, the heel, the brute, the non-gentleman has a simpler and more effective code. It is generally stated thusly: "Love 'em and leave em."

    While a lot of women, possessing as they do a single-minded determination to win security for themselves, profess to admire and even love gentle men, and often marry one, they're thinking about two different things when they succumb to a gentleman and to a non-gentleman.

    The gentleman offers security, both financial and social; kindness, consideration, an acceptable moral environment, comfort and sometimes luxury; association with cultured and intelligent and responsible people, and, often, a reasonably pleasing person.

    But the non-gentleman offers some thing more basic; stimulation (often perverse) and gratification (often ephemeral). With the non-gentleman, the woman is no goddess on a pedestal. She's a physically functioning member of the human species. Often, this has nothing to do with love in any high er emotional sense, although she'll try to rationalize herself by calling her urge "love." Her actions with a heel-of-the-moment, despite majority male opinion to the contrary, do not necessarily jeopardize the affection she feels for the man-in-her-life.

    The peculiar intelligence of the rogue and that of every woman, for whom rules are made only to be broken, tells them with devastating logic that there is no necessary connection between sex and love; sex is one thing and love is another, al though they may go together, like ham and eggs.

    Women are aware that they're not goddesses, and rogues possess the same awareness. The gentleman pathetically insists on maintaining this myth, even though all the evidence is to the contrary, and is loaded with self-pity over what he describes as "unfaithfulness' on the part of his beloved.

    The gentleman has got to learn that women are not goddesses, but human beings; he's got to start thinking in terms of biology and function, rather than in terms of poetic idealization. Most important, he has to develop a new code, devoid of hypocrisy. In other words, he's got to start acting the rogue. When he does, he'll discover that all of the advantages in the Battle of the Sexes favor him. And, if there remains in his mind some lingering scruple, he has only to face up to the simple truth: Women don't want to be goddesses. They want to be women.

    As we said at the start of this essay, we might as well face it, fellows. The truth is now and for a long time past has been that blondes (or brunettes or redheads) do not necessarily prefer gentlemen.

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    Post Re: Women Don't Necessarily Prefer Gentlemen

    Everything said here is absolutely right.
    Although it can't apply to ALL women, because they're not
    exactly clones. There are women who actually like 'nice' guys, but usually they're far more mature than the average woman of any class or background.

    I rented my appartment to a really beautiful girl who for the last 4-5 years has been off and on in a relationship with a really obnoxious guy who sometimes beats her.
    When they broke up the last time, he came by and punched her in the face.
    I was extremely pissed off when the neighbours called me about the yelling and screaming, so I threatened him a little.
    He stopped appearing for some time. This lasted a couple of months until they got together again. I learned not to interfere anymore because there's no use... she simply likes being abused, and this can be applied to most women. She will probably stay with this psycho even if he hurts her seriously.

    The most ridiculous was her behaviour to other guys who helped her out. She was acting very unpleasant to them, even though any one of these guys were much better to her. A guy I know used to drive her around for months and help her with moving etc. He used to send her gifts. I felt guilty for introducing him to her. But, actually, it's his own fault... it's the man's own fault if he wants something but doesn't know how to get it.

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    Post AW: Re: Women Don't Necessarily Prefer Gentlemen

    Quote Originally Posted by AWAR
    The most ridiculous was her behaviour to other guys who helped her out. She was acting very unpleasant to them, even though any one of these guys were much better to her. A guy I know used to drive her around for months and help her with moving etc. He used to send her gifts. I felt guilty for introducing him to her. But, actually, it's his own fault... it's the man's own fault if he wants something but doesn't know how to get it.
    Biiiiiig mistake... Actually, the pattern is simple. Buying loads of gifts and doing favours is another way of indicating "I want to buy you (and your sexual favours)". Women aren't that dumb.
    Last edited by Triglav; Monday, June 21st, 2004 at 04:13 PM. Reason: Okay, I read the whole article and saw that they mentioned the same. :shrug
    "slavic" languages are absolutely arteficial (Read "slawenlegende"). The "glagolica", invented by a bunch of monks, is nothing but an ancient esperanto, creating new words, definitions and alphabet out of regional slangs.

    The craddle of European Civilization comes from the North. All blond people originate from the north. So if you see a blond-blue eyed Slovene, Russian, Czech, Polak ect., you can be 100% sure that his ancient ancestors originated from "Germanics" (Germanic = Nordic).
    "slovenja" was the settelment of the Langobards = Germanics/Teutons. "Poland" of the Goths and East-Vandals ect. ect. What do "slavs" tell us about their origin?
    Some silly story that they originate from some swamps in the east and popped out of no where into history.

    So you see my dear "Gorostan" [=Triglav], you are in reality a "Germanic" indoctrinated with panslav propaganda and historic fantasy stories. ~Dr. Brandt, former TNP and Skadi member

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    Post Re: AW: Re: Women Don't Necessarily Prefer Gentlemen

    Well... getting smacked in the face daily doesn't take a genius either.

    I think women consider the gifts as a sort of symbol of submission.
    When a man gives a gift to a woman, she perceives it as: ' Now I own him '.
    When a woman owns something, it stops being interesting to her. She doesn't
    find a guy who does anything she asks as particularly interesting.

    Women like things they think are 'hard to get'. They like to be unable to acquire something easily.

    When I meet some new girl, I always make sure she knows I have a girlfriend. If she's attractive enough, I'm prepared to lie and say that I do have a gf, even if it's not the truth. It's a win-win situation, because, if/when she realizes you are lying, she'll be even more into you, because women like mystery and uncertainty ( depending on the situation, of course ).

    The problem with me is, that I really hate lying, and the more I decypher some girl's behaviour patterns, the less I respect her, the sooner I dump her

    I also realized one funny thing. I think it's typical behaviour of guys to feel the urge to leave just as soon as the sex is over. I know I do.
    Women on the other hand often say they hate this, and they would like to cuddle with the man, after sex, and lay around and talk etc.
    In reality, it's much better if you act on your urges and just RUN AWAY

    I'm talking from experience: just leave when you feel like it, don't press yourself to stay if you don't want to. Women often say what they think they want. A woman will want you much more if you DO NOT fulfill her desires.

    If I had a dollar for every time I heard a girl say the exact opposite of what she really wants, I'd have a lot of dollars now.

    I've been with girls who say to like the fragile, sensitive type, girls who want a man without body hair, I've had one night stands with girls who claim to only want a steady relationship etc.

    Usually the opposite works, but the more a girl/woman is mentally mature, the more she'll know what's good for her, and the less stupid games she'll play.

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    Post AW: Women Don't Necessarily Prefer Gentlemen

    You mean you do other things in life than up your post count on fora?
    Last edited by Triglav; Monday, June 21st, 2004 at 07:30 PM. Reason: typos - new keyboard...
    "slavic" languages are absolutely arteficial (Read "slawenlegende"). The "glagolica", invented by a bunch of monks, is nothing but an ancient esperanto, creating new words, definitions and alphabet out of regional slangs.

    The craddle of European Civilization comes from the North. All blond people originate from the north. So if you see a blond-blue eyed Slovene, Russian, Czech, Polak ect., you can be 100% sure that his ancient ancestors originated from "Germanics" (Germanic = Nordic).
    "slovenja" was the settelment of the Langobards = Germanics/Teutons. "Poland" of the Goths and East-Vandals ect. ect. What do "slavs" tell us about their origin?
    Some silly story that they originate from some swamps in the east and popped out of no where into history.

    So you see my dear "Gorostan" [=Triglav], you are in reality a "Germanic" indoctrinated with panslav propaganda and historic fantasy stories. ~Dr. Brandt, former TNP and Skadi member

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    Post Re: AW: Women Don't Necessarily Prefer Gentlemen

    I used to... when the weather was better, it freakin' rains every day the last 3 months. There's also the minor detail that now I'm going steady with a certain Dinaric/Baltic girl

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    Post Re: AW: Women Don't Necessarily Prefer Gentlemen

    Wow, only now I see this article is from 1956. It's truly a wonder how once they used to write truth The only articles in modern newspaper I see are typical product placement.

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    Post Re: AW: Women Don't Necessarily Prefer Gentlemen

    This article is sadly accurate, and I suppose proof that some things never change very much. I think women might stop playing these games when they're older, but then they're less appealing on a physical level too. I've never met a young, good-looking woman who didn't play head games, and generally the better-looking they are, the more manipulative they are. As I've gotten older, I've found this sort of game-playing to be increasingly irritating. Most young women don't even cook or clean properly any more, so if it wasn't for the fact that they are useful for sex, I wouldn't waste my time speaking to them at all.

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    Post AW: Re: AW: Women Don't Necessarily Prefer Gentlemen

    Quote Originally Posted by AWAR
    I used to... when the weather was better, it freakin' rains every day the last 3 months. There's also the minor detail that now I'm going steady with a certain Dinaric/Baltic girl
    Don't forget to dis and beat her, not bathe, and never ever buy her gifts.
    "slavic" languages are absolutely arteficial (Read "slawenlegende"). The "glagolica", invented by a bunch of monks, is nothing but an ancient esperanto, creating new words, definitions and alphabet out of regional slangs.

    The craddle of European Civilization comes from the North. All blond people originate from the north. So if you see a blond-blue eyed Slovene, Russian, Czech, Polak ect., you can be 100% sure that his ancient ancestors originated from "Germanics" (Germanic = Nordic).
    "slovenja" was the settelment of the Langobards = Germanics/Teutons. "Poland" of the Goths and East-Vandals ect. ect. What do "slavs" tell us about their origin?
    Some silly story that they originate from some swamps in the east and popped out of no where into history.

    So you see my dear "Gorostan" [=Triglav], you are in reality a "Germanic" indoctrinated with panslav propaganda and historic fantasy stories. ~Dr. Brandt, former TNP and Skadi member

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    Smile Re: Women Don't Necessarily Prefer Gentlemen

    I find this thread quite interesting & yes (sorry girls) very TRUE. I am rather a gender traitor..being female & not thinking much of my own sex. Alot of females (especially the younger ones) are... well frankly dimwits. Selfish, foolish, dumb, can't cook, weak in mind & bodily strength, objectives & desires in all the wrong places.
    Another thing about women that annoys me somewhat...is their non functioning listening skills. They yak & nag & gossip, yet when it comes to actually sitting and listening to serious subjects they seem to turn off....(maybe this is necessary..as women are definitely 'programmed' differently for the obvious reasons. A womans brain has been proven to sift/process various information/data and quickly access what is important to store & what must be discarded.. )....So...that said are ALL women deep down quite intelligent...but have yet to discard the frivolous trimmings that so many display?....

    Now I am confused...

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