Nostradamus: The Hitler Prophecy

[ohrdruf]

Less well known than his four-line verses or quatrains, Nostradamus assembled a number of sixaines, or six-line verses.

In one of these he states simply that The Phoenix lives 672 months.

Adolf Hitler was born on 20 April 1889 and died as we suppose on 30 April 1945. This is a life of 672 months.

In Babylonian astrology, the novacosm similar to our zodiac contains thirteen astrological signs. One of these signs is The Phoenix. The sign of The Phoenix covers the second half of the month of April, the period of Hitler's birth and death.

The coincidence here is too strong for us to doubt that Adolf Hitler was the Phoenix of Nostradamus' prophecy.

What is a Phoenix? It is the mythological bird which is reduced by immolation to ashes in order that it may rise again to build a new world.

From this we take heart.

Some interesting ideas to conclude: Hitler lived to the last permissibile afternoon allowed him under the prophecies. Did he know that? And, since this is 16th century prophecy and written in the books thereof, could it have been possible under any circumstances for an assassination plot against Hitler to have succeeded? Were the efforts of Stauffenberg, von Trescow and all the others doomed to fail from inception? I think that without question they were. The bomb in the aircraft would always have failed to go off for temperature changes or a poor connection, an officer would always have moved the briefcase containing the device to the other side of the table, there would always have been men doing repair work to the bunker on the day of the attempt: the pistol would always have jammed. It could not have been any other way.

[SaxonPagan]

Thanks for the post, Ohrdruf!

Purely by accident, I stumbled upon another forum where you'd written about this but the Hitler connection appears to have been largely dismissed. I really don't know how folks can ignore such a huge coincidence and for me the only debate is over the interpretation of the "Phoenix" story.

If it was just stated that The Phoenix lives 672 months could this not mean that it rose and did indeed create a new order, free of Jewish domination, but then died after this period and the old one reclaimed the ascendancy?

Sorry for this more pessimistic interpretation

[Gerhardt Maritz]

Sorry Godwinson , but for obvious reasons I like Ohrdrufs interpretation more.

[SaxonPagan]

Yes, so do I mate

[Mouse Shadow]

Eclipses follow an 18.61-year cycle. Three times 18.61 is 55.83 years, or approximaely 56 years. - - - http://www.ephemeris.com/history/prehistoric.html

I just found the cycle for a bit of fun. I always wonder what they base their predictions on. Looks like it was the moon this time. Maybe?

672 Months = 56 years. Sequence of 3 eclipses

The second website goes on to talk about financial crises and the 56 year cycle.

56 Year Cycle. On the same date every 56 tropical years, the ecliptical position of the lunar north node moves only 3 Eo clockwise (eg as on July 1: 1761 - NN at 48 Eo; 1817 - 45 Eo; 1873 - 42 Eo; 1929 - 39 Eo; 1985 - 36 Eo). Furthermore, every 56.0 tropical years, the Sun's relative position forms the same angle to the north lunar with the Moon 180o on the opposite side of the ecliptic circle. The two cycles of 9.0 (half Saros) and 56.0 tropical years result in alternating solar/lunar eclipses and full/new moons every 111.5 and 692.5 synodic months respectively (see Appendix 1).
The 9 and 56 year cycles are based on the angles 0o and 180o between the Sun, Moon and lunar nodes and repeat to within one degree. Additionally, other lunisolar cycles in Appendix 1 are in integral and half integral numbers.
The reasons for the importance of 0o/180o angles in the Saros and 56 year cycle remain unresolved, although it would indicate that the 1st and 2nd harmonics are crucial in understanding how the cycle actually functions. Interestingly, these harmonics play a key role in the Earth's oceanic tides. - - - http://www.davidmcminn.com/pages/smnum56.htm

[velvet]

25.
Sechshundert und sechs, sechshundert und neun,
ein Kanzler, groß wie ein Ochse,
alt wie der Phönix der Welt,
in seinem Land wird er nicht mehr glänzen
von dem Schiff der Vergessenheit wird er gestreift werden
auf den elysäischen Feldern die Runde machen.

Sixhundret and six, sixhundred and nine,
a chancellor, as tall as an ox,
old as the phoenix of the world,
in his land he will not shine anymore
rammed by the ship of forgetting
on the elysian fields walks his rounds


53.
Mehrere werden sterben bevor der Phönix stirbt,
bis Sechshundertsiebzig ist sein Absterben,
vergangen fünfzehn Jahre, einundzwanzig, dreißig-neun (39),
der Erste ist Gegenstand der Krankheit,
und der Zweite des Schwerts, Lebensgefahr,
zum Feuer in das Wasser, ist Ursache dreißig-neun.

Several will die before the phoenix dies
til sixhundredandseventy is his dying
gone by are fifteen years, twentyone, thirtynine
the first is the matter of desease,
the second that of the swort, life threat,
for the fire into the water, the reason is thirtynine

Source (chose 'predictions' in the frame menu)

There is also the French text available, for some reason in the original the second verse is number 54. Anyway, where did you got the 672 from?

Can you please provide the prediction you're refering to?

[ohrdruf]

The original sixain is number 53. The French reads:

"Plusieurs mourront avant que Phoenix muere
Iusques six cent septante est sa demeure"

Many will die before the Phoenix dies,
Just six hundred seventy is his residence (on earth).

Hitler lived 671 completed months. (Was born on 20 April 1889: did not live to midnight on 30 April 1945.) One digit of tolerance is allowed in prediction. Therefore 670+1=671

In his New Year's Day speech on 31 December 1944 he said "Germany will arise from the ashes like the Phoenix."

There is something else as respects Hitler. First I have to explain a fact which may be known to many readers but for the sake of those who are not aware of it, I set it out.

In numerology and palmistry, an important governing factor about anybody's life is the date of birth. To take an example, my own date of birth is 16-02-1944.
My governing numbers are therefore: 7/9. This is calculated:
Day of month born, 16th, 1+6=7
Total of digits of date of birth: 1+6+2+1+9+4+4=9

The only people born in 1944 who share my governing numbers of 7/9 are those born on 7th, 16th and 25th February and the same days in November. Six days of the year. The chances of my meeting somebody in the street who has the governing numbers 7/9 are therefore 6 in 365.

Adolf Hitler was born on 20-4-1889 and his governing numbers are 2/5.
His birth was a momentous event in my opinion.
Another momentous event with the same governing numbers was the destruction of the twin towers at New York on 11-09-2001=2/5.

We notice that Adolf Hitler was born on day 110 of 1889, and the Twin Towers event occurred 111 days before the conclusion of 2001. There is one digit of tolerance allowed, but the governing number of the date in both cases was 2/5. Therefore the two dates are connected. Why?

The period of years between 1889 and 2001 is 112 years. In what respect is this figure 112 years significant?

In The Mysteries of Isis and Osiris by Plutarch, one of the few non-Egyptians permitted to receive initiation into the Mysteries, in Chapter XXX he tells us that the number of the god Set is 56, and Set is "born at the midpoint of the period equal to twice 56", therefore he is born at the midpoint of a period of 112 years.

The god Set had 72 angels. Hitler=72 (H=8 I=9 T=20 L=12 E=5 R=18) and his surname resulted from an authorised change in the parish register from Hiedler or Huttler decades before his birth, neither Hiedler nor Huttler adding to 72.

Therefore Hitler was an angel of the god Set, and Set in the Egyptian pantheology is the Egyptian god of destruction. And when we think of the Ancient Egyptians and the Pharoahs, which other race of humanity is closely tied to them, and did them harm with the seven plagues, and remains mighty proud of it?

The midpoint of the period in question between the two dates in 1889 and 2001 is 1/2 July 1945. Set was "born" on that day. The only event of global importance which occurred that day was the signing by the US President of the document authorising the testing of the atomic bomb. This event in my opinion set in train a series of measures as yet uncompleted, but with regard to which a declaration of war was served on the United States and its allies in 2001 and will come to fruition some few years from now.

This little cameo I discovered when investigating something else along similar lines, and of which it is a sub-section of the overall prophetic structure (not Nostradamus, this time far more recent).

[SaxonPagan]

"Plusieurs mourront avant que Phoenix muere
Iusques six cent septante est sa demeure"

Many will die before the Phoenix dies,
Just six hundred seventy is his residence (on earth).

One point I would make here is that iusques actually means until, and not "just".
I note that velvet has also translated it as (un)til in the German version.

So, how does this affect the meaning of the sizain?

[Zogbot]

I generally consider myself very much a realist, but I have to admit I hold certain inexplicable and extremely esoteric beliefs about Hitler.

[velvet]

"Plusieurs mourront avant que Phoenix muere
Iusques six cent septante est sa demeure"

Many will die before the Phoenix dies,
Just six hundred seventy is his residence (on earth).

Hitler lived 671 completed months. (Was born on 20 April 1889: did not live to midnight on 30 April 1945.) One digit of tolerance is allowed in prediction. Therefore 670+1=671

But in your first post you said 672, while the prediction says 670. But I guess thats still within tolerance?

One point I would make here is that iusques actually means until, and not "just".
I note that velvet has also translated it as (un)til in the German version.

So, how does this affect the meaning of the sizain?

The German version is from the website I linked, the English is my translation (probably could use improvement).

But when we assume that it refers to months lived, it wouldnt make a difference in meaning to say 'he lived 670 months' or 'he lived to the 670th months'. But google.translate offers for that sentence 'Many die before that Phoenix died, Up to six hundred seventy is his home'. Since my French is... ehm, rather nonexistent, I dont know how correct this is.

You seem to know French, maybe you can provide a translation that is as near as possible to the original (even if it may sound "weird", being grammatically questionable even, in prophecies these 'twists' can be important though)? Below is the original text.


LIV.
Plusieurs mourront auant que Phoenix meure,
Iusques six cens septante est sa demeure,
Passé quinze ans, vingt & vn trente neuf.
Le premier est subiet à maladie,
Et le second au fer, danger de vie,
Au feu à l'eau, est subiect à trente-neuf.
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