Can Some Non-Europeans Be Considered More Caucasian Than Some Europeans?

[Northern Paladin]

Take this non-European Turkish man for example, his name is Kivanc Tatlitug if I'm not mistaken, he looks completely White to me.







Or this Kalash girl from Pakistan (on left)



Or this blond Pashtun man



Now compare and contrast these non-Europeans with SOME native Europeans:

Björk




native European Bulgarian model Nikoleta Lozanova



native European Ukrainian model (forgot her name)



native European Polish model Katarzyna Smutniak



native European Polish actress Alicja Bachleda Curus (who was coincidentally born in Mexico, though is ethnic Polish and looks Mexican ) Colin Farrell's girlfriend and mother of one of his kids.




So what are your thoughts? Opinions?

[Ediruc]

I believe the proper term you are looking for is maybe not White (since the term itself has come to mean different things now), but Europid?

[hyidi]

I am bit confused.
You call a women 'Native European' when clearly she as Asian blood.
The second pic under the white native European section.

[Svartljos]

I am bit confused.
You call a women 'Native European' when clearly she as Asian blood.
The second pic under the white native European section.

It's Björk, who is a genetic free for all. She possibly has some sort of inuit or lapp ancestor at some point, or has a birth defect. Anyway, there are a million posts about Björk throughout the forum. I think the OP answered his own question with the pictures he posted as well:

Obviously yes, sometimes there are people who have remnant DNA from past wars or settlements in non-European areas who happen to look European.

[Hilderinc]

We must not forget that we share common ancestors with the Indian man and Pakistani girl, being Indo-European and all.



Those countries are mainly rural and have close knit family/tribes, surely fair traits could easily survive in such a circumstance.

native European Polish actress Alicja Bachleda Curus (who was coincidentally born in Mexico, though is ethnic Polish and looks Mexican ) Colin Farrell's girlfriend and mother of one of his kids.

She looks 100x more European than many Mexicans in my area. Some of them could literally pass as Arabs. No exaggeration, they 100% definately could.

[Ediruc]

We must not forget that we share common ancestors with the Indian man

Are you so sure of that?

[Hilderinc]

Are you so sure of that?

Yes, that's why I posted the Indo-European migration map.

I'm not saying they are in any way Germanic, but rather that their Indo-European traits have survived by not being heavily mixed with the non Indo-European groups in their region.

[Æmeric]

Kivanc Tatlitug is of Bosniak descent. Many Bosniaks are Nordish looking but are stigmatized by their ancestors conversion to Islam. Tatlitug is not a typical Turk. As regards to the thread question, I say non-(racial)Europeans are not "whiter" then Europeans. Those Caucasians who historical living space is outside of Europe - Berbers, Persians, Pashtuns etc... - are living in border zones between different races & occassionally there will be genetic exceptions but as a group they are non-White. Also culturally they are alien to Europe.

A more pertinent question: Are groups like Albanians & Bosniaks European? Their ancestoral homelands are in Europe, they are racially Europid (though there are opinions that the Albanians are mixed with Turks), their ancestors were converts to Islam, not Islamic colonizers.

[Svartljos]

Yes, that's why I posted the Indo-European migration map.

I'm not saying they are in any way Germanic, but rather that their Indo-European traits have survived by not being heavily mixed with the non Indo-European groups in their region.

That map shows the spread of Indo-European culture/language, but it's entirely possible than many "old European" people in Europe were not genetically wiped out by the invading indo-europeans (although, lingusitically they are very few. There WERE the Etruscans and today the Basques are still a non-indo-european language group).

I also don't know how much of a genetic influence the Indo-Europeans had in far southern Asia but you are right about there being some "whiter" loking peoples. There are lots of Pashtun and other related peoples who seem like somewhat European-looking Europids (so maybe your hypothesis has a bit of merit) although the majority of Pakistani/Indian people seem pretty brown to me.

But even if not all of us are decended from the Indo-Europeans, the common migration point out of Africa would make us at least a bit related anyway so you are correct. There is also the possible genetic influence of the Greco-Bactrian empire upon the Kalashi.

Anyway, I think race is kind of like that. It's not like there are strict genetic borders everywhere. For instance, a lot of Greeks and Turks look indistinguishable to me, and I'm sure there might be some Arabs and Turks who look indistinguishable, and Arabs and Persians, and so on. They say the wogs begin at Calais :p

[Northern Paladin]

I am bit confused.
You call a women 'Native European' when clearly she as Asian blood.
The second pic under the white native European section.

You mean that Ukrainian chick? I meant she was born in Europe, clearly she has Tatar blood but she was born in Europe, her parents were born in Europe, and so on.