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    Quote Originally Posted by Ædiruc View Post
    Are you so sure of that?
    we are not one in the same, but we do share common ancestors. Europeans are obviously more pure though, the Indian man is mixed with Australoid.

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    Take this non-European Turkish man for example, his name is Kivanc Tatlitug if I'm not mistaken, he looks completely White to me.
    How do you know he is not European white?
    He's family may have migrated from western Europe into Middle east turkey.

    How can you say that some non Europeans be considered more white than some of us? specialty when you can see some exotic appearances in there faces.

    If you have any ethic,lantino inside you,you are not white,is that what we stand for here?

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    Quote Originally Posted by heerssx View Post
    How do you know he is not European white?
    He's family may have migrated from western Europe into Middle east turkey.

    How can you say that some non Europeans be considered more white than some of us? specialty when you can see some exotic appearances in there faces.

    If you have any ethic,lantino inside you,you are not white,is that what we stand for here?
    Yes, they very well could be descendant from Europeans both those who settled outside of Europe in the recent past or ancient times. I was trying to point out that some of these people may have retained their racial identity better than SOME eastern and southern Europeans who might be more mixed with non-Caucasoids (Mongoloids) or non-Europids (Taurids, Armenids)

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    Quote Originally Posted by heerssx View Post
    How do you know he is not European white?
    He's family may have migrated from western Europe into Middle east turkey.

    How can you say that some non Europeans be considered more white than some of us? specialty when you can see some exotic appearances in there faces.

    If you have any ethic,lantino inside you,you are not white,is that what we stand for here?
    I don't think we stand for anything like that as such here: Germanics are all people who would be classified as white, but not all people who are classified as white are Germanic. Obviously if there is a significant amount of Latino, or Celtic, or Slavic, or euro-Latin blood in a person then it's hard to call them Germanic or purely Germanic, whether or not the person mixed in with them is white or not.

    But modern science suggests that genetic differences in Europe are actually not based on language groups (such as Germanic or Slavic) but geographic proximity of people. More northern populations are obviously more related to eachother than more southern populations. Although, as far as I have seen from maps of genetic clusterings of European populations, the Germanic countries do seem to cluster somewhat together (Especially the more northern populations). This doesn't include Finns.



    As can be seen here, the genetic clustering appears to even take the general shape of European countries. What that suggests is probably open to interpretation, but I suppose it means that genetic groups stagnated in certain areas, and that they are most similar to their neighbours (which makes a lot of sense).

    A person from the UK mixing with a person from Ireland isn't going to notice much of a genetic difference (most have haplogroup R1b) but according to that map Irish and Swedish is about as far apart as Danish and Czech. I guess it suggests that there is a gradient of genes which differ thanks to geographical location.

    Now, the existence of Genetic outliers in comparison to the average genetic makeup of their population is what this thread is talking about I think. A person from Turkey whose ancestors share enough genes between them so as to manifest in a child who is genetically or phenotypically more similar to a European than it is to most other people in his background is definitely possible (as we can see) even if he isn't a "pure bood". It's certainly possible for one of them to be even lighter-complected or to possess facial features which seem more "nordic" than lots of people in Europe who are native Europeans (even in Germanic or other northern countries).

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    They can be considered more white if you use European as a geographic and cultural term only. European is to me a racial term as well. Those 'Europeans' you posted like Björk are obviously racially mixed with non-white groups living in Europe. Inuits, Tatars, Komis, Chuvash, Sami, etc. are not white. Meanwhile you can find several whites scattered through otherwise non-white countries. Turks abducted and islamified many Europeans, that's why. They are no longer Europeans if they lost their cultural heritage though, so I wouldn't consider them being of my own kin.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Svartljos View Post
    A person from the UK mixing with a person from Ireland isn't going to notice much of a genetic difference
    That is because the UK includes Celtic Wales and Scotland and part of the UK, Northern Ireland, is in Ireland. If the map showed just England the map would be different.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Todesengel View Post
    They can be considered more white if you use European as a geographic and cultural term only. European is to me a racial term as well. Those 'Europeans' you posted like Björk are obviously racially mixed with non-white groups living in Europe. Inuits, Tatars, Komis, Chuvash, Sami, etc. are not white. Meanwhile you can find several whites scattered through otherwise non-white countries. Turks abducted and islamified many Europeans, that's why. They are no longer Europeans if they lost their cultural heritage though, so I wouldn't consider them being of my own kin.
    Sami are pretty much as white as Hungarians, They both have Finno-Urgic languages. Hungarians are more mixed than the Sami in my opinion, but that's my opinion.

    Sami People:




    Hungarians:
    too many pictures on here, you need to look up some Hungarians lol
    ________

    So to say that the Sami aren't Europeans you're also insulting Hungarians.
    Last edited by Blackeagle; Monday, September 20th, 2010 at 04:47 AM. Reason: too many pics

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    Quote Originally Posted by Forest King View Post
    Can Some Non-Europeans Be Considered More White Than Some Europeans?
    Absolutly, some non-Europan can actually be more caucasoid than some Europeans. For example Lapps no matter their pigmentation are more mongoloid than caucasoid, same thing for alot of Europeans from Southern Europe and Eastern Europe. Take Russia for example, it is very big land and in these lands you will find a variety of individuals ranging from very caucasoid to very non-caucasoid, same thing for alot of Southern Europeans in the West with their Maghrebis look or alot of Balkans with their Turanid/Armenoid looks.

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    There's a plenty of Indoeuropeans in Iran and India. And a plenty of non-Indoeuropeans in Europe, so the answer is yes.

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    No, in fact one of the examples of White non-Europeans provided by the OP is probably fully European,
    Kıvanç Tatlıtuğ was born in Adana in southern Turkey. He has four siblings. The name Kıvanç means "pride" in Turkish and Tatlıtuğ is a portmanteau of the Turkish words tatlı (meaning "sweet") and tuğ (the tail of a horse). Tatlıtuğ is of Bosnian ancestry.
    In the case of South-Asian populations in which blond and red hair is not unheard of, they are genetically and racially different than true Europeans. Sure they might be more Caucasoid than the half-Tatar Ukrainian model posted by the OP, but are they more White? Not really.





    ^ This is what the average Kalash looks like. They are not very different from other South Asians.

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