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    Why Socialism Will Never Work!

    For all socialists that may exsist I would like to give all proof as to why socialism in its purist form can never exsist. especially in a world of humans. perhaps it is a socialist society in heaven.. who knows!?

    here is the proof:

    Jon lives in a socialist society. He is of age and decides to work to get an income. He looks at the newpapers and there is a job offer to become a doctor and another to work at a fast food restuarant making hamburgers. to become a doctor he must go to a university for many years and work hard to become skillful in his job. and to flip hamburgers he does not need any knowledge. in a socialist society income is equal in all professions. Jon decides to become a hamburger flipper because it is easy. why would jon want to work hard for the same income/pay as someone doing far less?? the answer is he doesnt. therefore no one has a drive to work hard because there is no better result or reward for hard work. if all citizens of this socialist society are faced with thes same question.. judging on humanity.. how many do you think would have chose to flip hamburgers? how many would work hard for the same pay as a hamburger flipper?

    i think the answer is clear. socialism is a utopian idealogy that is impossible in a society of humans.

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    That is why I think it is funny when people call the west "Capitalist" bottom line is they are all "Capitalist" but some work and some don't.

    But as you pointed out, socialism does not properly reward people for more effort.

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    yes there is truth to this, but maybe in a socialist society only those who were born to be doctors, mathematicians, engineers, etc... will become these things, because nobody will have the option of "just be doing it for the money". Sure there will be FAR less of them, but they will be far better.

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    Quote Originally Posted by nordfrisk View Post
    in a socialist society income is equal in all professions.
    In which historic socialist society has this been the case actually?
    "Nothing is more disgusting than the majority: because it consists of a few powerful predecessors, of rogues who adapt themselves, of weak who assimilate themselves, and the masses who imitate without knowing at all what they want." (Johann Wolfgang Goethe)

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    socialism is stupid, but not that much , You have wrong assumption that in theory of socialism, everybody get the same, in fact social justice how much for who, is defined much more complicated, and the MAIN assumption of socialism is that people don't work for their own good, but for the good of society.

    I recommend You to read Marks "Capital" if You're interested in socialism - thousands of pages.

    In fact socialism in theory is made for ubermenschen, for people who work voluntary(doing their best) for the good of society, and don't expect more than fullfilling of their basic needs(but what are basic needs, it varies )
    Did You know that?

    I don't know about place where people are/were altruistic ubermenschen that much.
    that's one reason why it doesn't work

    and one more thing-justice is described as blind
    there is variety of socialisms
    What I wrote is more about marxism precisely , who(Marx) was socialist and had strongest impact on this ideology(socialism), it's confused, as socialism isn't precisely defined, as it is vague itself.

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    I do admire the democratic sort of socialism practiced in Sweden; I just wish it was more nationalistic.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jäger View Post
    In which historic socialist society has this been the case actually?
    there has never once been a true socialist society... not even close.

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    My input is that socialism is only good in theory. For socialism to truly work it would have to be in a homogenous society and the populace willing to work for the benefit of each other. With immigration levels rising and countries adopting to "globalization" the idea of socialism is superfluous. Also, a doctor getting paid as much as a Burger King worker doesn't make much sense. the doctor should get paid more because of the level of schooling and skill specialization that comes with it. For a doctor to be paid the same wage leaves no real incentive to want to pay thousands in schooling and years of study when you can just go to BK and get the same wage. One would have to become a doctor out of sheer desire to really want to help people.

    I for one don't support the system of socialism. I believe one should be rewarded with the fruits of their labor and have the right to rise and fall by their actions. While socialism gives the illusion of equality and stability there is loopholes for abuse which will create a system of freeloading and lazy people (the same in our current welfare systems) who feel they are entitled to something; which diminishes the quality of life for those who are giving their 100%. As I say, capitalism creates 'greed', but socialism creates 'envy'.
    "Life; it kills 100% of those who experience it."

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    Socialism -- or Marxism, for that is what we are talking about here -- is not so much about creating a state or an ideology that is fit for human beings but rather the opposite: to create a humanity fit for the ideology. This is what the Bolsjevik terror was all about, whether in Russia, China or Cambodia: to kill each and every one that did not conform to the ideology.

    No matter what the Communists/Socialists proclaim to believe, or really does believe, it is a political tool based on Darwinian selection and genetics, simply put a breeding program to create a certain kind of humanity. Kill the nonconformists and kill the intelligent for a couple of generations and you will have a radically different society.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Forest King View Post
    yes there is truth to this, but maybe in a socialist society only those who were born to be doctors, mathematicians, engineers, etc... will become these things, because nobody will have the option of "just be doing it for the money". Sure there will be FAR less of them, but they will be far better.
    No maybe not, but they would not be doing it for natural ability ether, but for "Party Loyalty" if we take the USSR as an example.

    If you ask me the best system is Free Market Capitalism, where the monetary system is controlled locally, and not by some central Bank. The current monetary system is on no way a free market, it is a market that is manipulated by the global corporations who in the west are the stand in for the Judaic globalist.

    One thing I will guarantee you is they will fight local control of anything with all their might if they can, but they will fight local control of money more than anything, because that is their root to power.

    It is also why they live in million dollar mansions while the majority of the population live in modest abodes at best.

    Every hour of labor on your job you are paying them a dues from YOUR hard earned labor. It basically boils down to paying a fat Globalist to work in a system which you and other workers built while he sits on his ass. That is why it is called "Wage Slavery".

    Honestly I would not have as much of a problem with it if the money we were paying these bastards were going to something useful such as exploring space of natural resources that would help humanity.

    Unfortunately most of it seems to be going to advance the Rothschild/Rockefeller Protection Racket which we see in the global banking racket, and their strong man the world military industrial complex.

    Had the money wasted on these people, been invested in real infrastructure we would have no energy problems, or environmental problems. And we could have easily funded a space transit system to mars and the rest of the local planets alone with the raw aluminum wasted on thousands of aircraft on both the USSR and USA, military aircraft budget.

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