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    The following is the chapter "Rassenkarten von Deutschland" (p. 79-81) from Ilse Schwidetzky, Rassengeschichte von Deutschland [Racial history of Germany], in: Rassengeschichte der Menschheit, ed. by Ilse Schwidetzky, 7th inst.: Europa V: Schweiz, Deutschland, Belgien und Luxemburg, Niederlande, Munich/Vienna 1979, p. 45-101, which I translated.
    Just take note that the author includes in the following overview only the territory of the FRG, the GDR and Berlin, thus of the current German core state, not the whole ethnic German area and not the eastern expulsion areas.


    The geographical variability of characteristics is the basis of racial classifications and also of maps of racial areas. DENIKER (1900) has designed as first a race map of Europe; he did it on the basis of a system of 6 main races and a couple of secondary races, which were described through certain combinations of characteristics. Leading characteristics were here body height, length-breath index and pigmentation, of which the geographical variability by far the most was known. The most known newer racial classifications and race maps, that are that of v. EICKSTEDT (1934) and BIASUTTI (1967), trace back in their fundaments to the classification of DENIKER. But into the verbal descripton of races often also more characteristics go in, which are seen as typical for certain population groups on the basis of contemplation. With such typological leading images of races also in many cases the single individuals were compared at population investigations in Germany and tried to put in the race system.

    How does Germany now look on race maps? And do the maps accord with the impression, which the investigators had of certain populations?

    The main races which are differentiated by DENIKER, v. EICKSTEDT and BIASUTTI in Europe, are not all well characterized and accepted as systematical categories in the same way. Well characterized are the high-grown, relatively dolichocephalic, fair-pigmented Nordids; the differentiation of two variants, that are more leptosom-narrow-faced Nordids in a narrower sense and bone-robust, broader-faced forms, which are connected with the type of Cromagnon, is accepted in accordance by many anthropologists. The same applies for the relatively small-grown gracile, dolichocephalic, but dark-pigmented Mediterranids, that however play in Germany only a very little role. Also the Dinarids, high-grown-brachycephalic with flat back of the head (planoccipital), mostly brown-eyed and brown-haired and with convex nose, are practicaly not controversal, as this type, similar convincing as the Nordids in Skandinavia, is noticeable in many populations of the Balkan peninsula. On the contrary it was more often doubted, if an Alpine race existed, which is described as relatively small-grown, brachycephalic with rounded back of the head (curvoccipital), low-faced, brown-eyed, brown-haired. Behind all dispute is of course that there are individual combinations of characteristics of that sort. Also the Osteuropids, described as middle- to short-grown, brachycephalic, low-faced and fair-pigmented, became problematical (compare SCHWIDETZKY 1974, p. 76ff.), but they play in today's Germany, just as the Mediterranids, a secondary role.

    The Germany section of the European race map of v. EICKSTEDT marks north Germany as spreading area of the Nordids, which expands itself between Elbe and Rhine southwards and includes also the upper Rhine valley. South Germany south of the Danube belongs according to the map to the main spreading area of the Dinarids. The rest of Germany, that is a great part of Württemberg, Franconia, Saxony and Thuringia, is given on the map as Alpine.

    On the European map of BIASUTTI (1967, II, p. 52), northern Germany belongs to the border spreading area of the Nordids in a "zone of fusion of several elements in proportions canging from place t place". The Alpine area is here even more extended. It includes almost whole south Germany. Of Dinarids there is made a note in south Germany only as little disseminations. A border area stretches from south east Europe and Bohemia with a tip into Saxony. For the rest, south Germany and also the southern part of the GDR is recorded as more or less strong Alpine imprinted.

    Also at COON (1948) Germany is divided into two parts: into a northern zone, which correspondends all in all to the spreading area of the Nordids at v. EICKSTEDT, but which is declared at COON (after a Danish place of finding) as partly brachycephalized Borreby type, and into the remaining Germany with predominantly Alpine character and some Dinarids (for the Borreby type compare GERHARDT 1969).

    Were the hitherto named race maps based above all on the maps of characteristics, where "geographical combinations of characteristics" (comp. SCHWIDETZKY 1974 p. 45) were selected, CZEKANOWSKI (1957) then tried to put the giving of races on a map onto a more objective basis and made use of the approximation method of WANKE. One considers here on the basis of hypothetical race constants and calculates the approximation of a given population to the constants in percent. CZEKANOWSKI worked here on the basis of a system of four race constants: Nordids, Mediterraneans, Armenoids approximately = Dinarids), Laponoids (appr. Alpines). The approximation was calculated on the basis of three indices (length-breah index of the head, morphological face index, nasal index) and hair and eye colours. Of the here reviewed race maps the one of the Polish anthropologist shows he largest extension of the predominantly Nordid characterized area in Germany. It also includes the biggest part of Württemberg and parts of north Bavaria, while the biggest part of Baden and the remaining Bavaria are given on the map as areas where the Laponoid elements stands at the first place.

    For north Germany the picture on the map coincides with the result of local investigations, where the characteristic-statistical statements are placed into the classification system. This applies among other for the Obervieland near Bremen (v. KROGH 1938), the Schlei area (KEITER 1931), the population of the Vogelsberg (RICHTER 1936) and the Rhön (DAUSACKER 1937, PFISTER 1937, REPPERT 1937). However here repeatedly is drawn attention to a varying in the direction of the broad-headed, broad-faced Cromagnoid type. An exception is SALLER (1930, 1931), who regards the north German populations he investigated as predominantly Osteuropid (East Baltic), but who did this on the basis of a type definition which also fits to the Cromagnoid broad-headed broad-faced combine of characteristics (comp. KEITER 1931).

    In south Germany there are several local investigations, where the Dinarid type is put at the first place by the investigators. This applies especially for the rural population of Miesbach (RIED 1930), where however at a third of the Dinarids the pigmentation did not fit to the leadng type, but was fair; for a village on the Schwäbische Alb (BREIG 1935), for the southern Black Forest (SCHAEUBLE 1941); and also for the southern Allgäu (SCHULTZ 1935) and middle Franconia (GRUMMT 1938) a high share of Dinarids was ascertained. An Alpine share is observed by many investigators; but no one puts it at the first place. A strong share for the strucure of the population is assumed for the Black Forest (SCHAEUBLE 1941), for Franconia (GRUMMT 1938, MÜSSEN 1937) and for the population of Thuringia (KURTH 1938). But also repeatedly for such areas, which should be according to race maps Alpine, this was rejected decidedly. SCHEIDT (1931) found within the Alemannic peasants at the Lake of Constance "no trace of hint for broad, low faces of a so-called Alpine race", and GIESELER and NECKER (1941, p. 66) say: "The widely circulated idea of a predominance of the Alpine-Ostisch element in Württemberg does not correspond to the real stuation."

    Race maps and race-typological estimation with local investigations thus correspond well for the northwestern part of north Germany and the southern part of south Germany. On the contrary the Alpine race seems here, just as in the general discussion about the racial structure of Europe, most problematical. Against all race maps there seems to exist no larger region in Germany, where the average picture of characteristics of the population corresponds convincingly to the descriptions of the Alpine type. Properly speaking large parts of Germany have to stay race-typologically unclassified, because there cannot be the predominance of a certain type assumed as in the northern north Germany and in the southern south Germany.

    References:

    Biasutti, R. (Ed.): Le razze e i popoli della terra, 4th ed., vol. II: Europa - Asia, Torino 1967.
    Breig, A.: Eine anthropologische Untersuchung auf der Schwäbischen Alb (Dorf Genkingen) (Deutsche Rassenkunde 13), Jena 1935.
    Coon, C. St.: The races of Europe, New York 1948.
    Czekanowski, J.: Zum Problem der anthropologischen Struktur von Deutschland, in: Bull. Schweiz. Ges. Anthropol. Ethnol. 33 (1957), p. 37-41.
    Dausacker, J.: Rassenkundliche Erhebungen in den Rhöndörfern Geroda und Platz, Würzburg 1937.
    Deniker, J.: Les races et les peuples de la terre, Paris 1900.
    Eickstedt, E. v.: Rassenkunde und Rassengeschichte der Menschheit, Stuttgart 1934.
    Gerhardt, K.: Der sogenannte Borreby-Typus, in: Homo 20 (1969), p. 141-159.
    Gieseler, G./Necker, W.: Rassenkundliche Untersuchungen an Wehrpflichtigen aus dem Wehrbezirk Tübingen, Stuttgart 1941.
    Grummt, E.: Die Rassenkunde des mittelfränkischen Jurabauern im Bezirksamt Weißenburg i. B., Erlangen 1938.
    Keiter, F.: Schwansen und die Schlei. Schleswigsche Bauern und Fischer (Deutsche Rassenkunde 8), Jena 1931.
    Krogh, Chr. v.: Das Obervieland. Ein Beitrag zur Rassenkunde der nordwestdeutschen Marschbevölkerung, Bremen 1938.
    Kurth, G.: Rasse und Stand in vier Thüringer Dörfern (Deutsche Rassenkunde 17), Jena 1938.
    Müssen, G.: Anthropologische Untersuchungen in Wildenau (Bayer. Ostmark), Erlangen 1937.
    Pfister, E.: Volkers und Speicherz, zwei Rhöndörfer, rassenkundlich gesehen, Würzburg 1937.
    Reppert, E.: Rassenkundliche Erhebungen im Raume Fladungen (Rhön), Würzburg 1937.
    Richter, B.: Burkhards und Kaulstoss, zwei oberhessische Dörfer (Deutsche Rassenkunde 14), Jena 1936.
    Ried, A. H.: Miesbacher Landbevölkerung (Deutsche Rassenkunde 3), Jena 1930.
    Saller, K.: Die Fehmaraner. Eine anthropologische Untersuchung aus Ostholstein (Deutsche Rassenkunde 4), Jena 1930.
    Saller, K.: Süddithmarsische Geestbevölkerung. Eine anthropologische Untersuchung aus dem niedersächsichen Sprachgebiet (Deutsche Rassenkunde 7), Jena 1931.
    Schaeuble, J.: Eine rassenbiologische Vergleichsuntersuchung an Schwarzwäldern aus Hotzenwald und rumänischem Banat, Freiburg i. B. 1941.
    Scheidt, W.: Alemannische Bauern in reichenauischen Herrschaftsgebieten am Bodensee (Deutsche Rassenkunde 6), Jena 1931.
    Schultz, B. K.: Rassenkunde deutscher Gaue. Bauern im südlichen Allgäu, Lechtal und Bregenzer Wald, Munich 1935.
    Schwidetzky, I.: Grundlagen der Rassensystematik, Freiburg i. B. 1974.
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    Gerhardt, K.: Der sogenannte Borreby-Typus, in: Homo 20 (1969), p. 141-159
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    Hast Du diese Ausgabe, Homo 20, schon mal in Händen gehabt? Würde mich wirklich interessieren was deutsche Anthropologen zum "Borreby-Typus" gesagt haben...

    But of course Schwidetzky speaks about a broad-headed-faced Cromagnid type what might be essentially the same.
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    Are osteuropids ( east baltids ) depigmented alpines? Are alpines brachycefalized meds? How about the origins of this two races ?

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    Is there is something in book you mentioned about Rasial Composition of Lithuania and Belarus?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Laimutis
    Is there is something in book you mentioned about Rasial Composition of Lithuania and Belarus?
    In one of the instalments of Rassengeschichte der Menschheit there's in German language a contribution of the racial history of the countries of the Soviet Union by the anthropologist Bunak.

    Quote Originally Posted by Agrippa
    Hast Du diese Ausgabe, Homo 20, schon mal in Händen gehabt? Würde mich wirklich interessieren was deutsche Anthropologen zum "Borreby-Typus" gesagt haben...
    Vor ewig langer Zeit hab' ich das mal durchgeblättert, ohne daß mich das aber damals näher interessiert hätte. Soweit ich mich erinnere, beschäftigt er sich dort vor allem mit der Periodisierung der Funde von Borreby und überhaupt der "qualitativen" Einstufung dieser Funde, aber weniger damit, ob eine gegenwärtige Coonsche Unterrasse "Borreby" in Norddeutschland ihre Berechtigung habe (wobei allerdings ja letzteres von ersterem abhängt). Mit Details kann ich im Moment aber nicht dienen - hast Du vielleicht Möglichkeiten, rasch einen Blick dort hineinzuwerfen?
    Ilse Schwidetzky erwähnt auch irgendwo in einer Fußnote, gegen Coon gerichtet und mit Bezug auf diese Gerhardt-Arbeit, daß die Funde von Borreby neolithisch seien und einen "Sippentypus", keinen Rassentypus widerspiegelten...

    But of course Schwidetzky speaks about a broad-headed-faced Cromagnid type what might be essentially the same.
    Good ol' Phalians.
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    But of course Schwidetzky speaks about a broad-headed-faced Cromagnid type what might be essentially the same.

    Good ol' Phalians.
    Yup, I just asked myself how she would have classified some "Borreby" types, more in the Alpinoid or Dalofaelid direction, or would she have splitted them up?

    Well, I wanted to buy some years ago her great work, but it was just too expensive for me...

    Mit Details kann ich im Moment aber nicht dienen - hast Du vielleicht Möglichkeiten, rasch einen Blick dort hineinzuwerfen?
    Hab schon in den Bibliotheken ein wenig nachgeforscht aber leider nichts gefunden bisher...

    Wie bist Du denn dazu gekommen? Sags mir vielleicht per PN wenn's privat ist...
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    Quote Originally Posted by Nordgau
    The following is the chapter "Rassenkarten von Deutschland" (p. 79-81) from Ilse Schwidetzky, Rassengeschichte von Deutschland [Racial history of Germany], in: Rassengeschichte der Menschheit, ed. by Ilse Schwidetzky, 7th inst.: Europa V: Schweiz, Deutschland, Belgien und Luxemburg, Niederlande, Munich/Vienna 1979, p. 45-101, which I translated.
    Just take note that the author includes in the following overview only the territory of the FRG, the GDR and Berlin, thus of the current German core state, not the whole ethnic German area and not the eastern expulsion areas.


    The geographical variability of characteristics is the basis of racial classifications and also of maps of racial areas. DENIKER (1900) has designed as first a race map of Europe; he did it on the basis of a system of 6 main races and a couple of secondary races, which were described through certain combinations of characteristics. Leading characteristics were here body height, length-breath index and pigmentation, of which the geographical variability by far the most was known. The most known newer racial classifications and race maps, that are that of v. EICKSTEDT (1934) and BIASUTTI (1967), trace back in their fundaments to the classification of DENIKER. But into the verbal descripton of races often also more characteristics go in, which are seen as typical for certain population groups on the basis of contemplation. With such typological leading images of races also in many cases the single individuals were compared at population investigations in Germany and tried to put in the race system.

    How does Germany now look on race maps? And do the maps accord with the impression, which the investigators had of certain populations?

    The main races which are differentiated by DENIKER, v. EICKSTEDT and BIASUTTI in Europe, are not all well characterized and accepted as systematical categories in the same way. Well characterized are the high-grown, relatively dolichocephalic, fair-pigmented Nordids; the differentiation of two variants, that are more leptosom-narrow-faced Nordids in a narrower sense and bone-robust, broader-faced forms, which are connected with the type of Cromagnon, is accepted in accordance by many anthropologists. The same applies for the relatively small-grown gracile, dolichocephalic, but dark-pigmented Mediterranids, that however play in Germany only a very little role. Also the Dinarids, high-grown-brachycephalic with flat back of the head (planoccipital), mostly brown-eyed and brown-haired and with convex nose, are practicaly not controversal, as this type, similar convincing as the Nordids in Skandinavia, is noticeable in many populations of the Balkan peninsula. On the contrary it was more often doubted, if an Alpine race existed, which is described as relatively small-grown, brachycephalic with rounded back of the head (curvoccipital), low-faced, brown-eyed, brown-haired. Behind all dispute is of course that there are individual combinations of characteristics of that sort. Also the Osteuropids, described as middle- to short-grown, brachycephalic, low-faced and fair-pigmented, became problematical (compare SCHWIDETZKY 1974, p. 76ff.), but they play in today's Germany, just as the Mediterranids, a secondary role.

    The Germany section of the European race map of v. EICKSTEDT marks north Germany as spreading area of the Nordids, which expands itself between Elbe and Rhine southwards and includes also the upper Rhine valley. South Germany south of the Danube belongs according to the map to the main spreading area of the Dinarids. The rest of Germany, that is a great part of Württemberg, Franconia, Saxony and Thuringia, is given on the map as Alpine.

    On the European map of BIASUTTI (1967, II, p. 52), northern Germany belongs to the border spreading area of the Nordids in a "zone of fusion of several elements in proportions canging from place t place". The Alpine area is here even more extended. It includes almost whole south Germany. Of Dinarids there is made a note in south Germany only as little disseminations. A border area stretches from south east Europe and Bohemia with a tip into Saxony. For the rest, south Germany and also the southern part of the GDR is recorded as more or less strong Alpine imprinted.

    Also at COON (1948) Germany is divided into two parts: into a northern zone, which correspondends all in all to the spreading area of the Nordids at v. EICKSTEDT, but which is declared at COON (after a Danish place of finding) as partly brachycephalized Borreby type, and into the remaining Germany with predominantly Alpine character and some Dinarids (for the Borreby type compare GERHARDT 1969).

    Were the hitherto named race maps based above all on the maps of characteristics, where "geographical combinations of characteristics" (comp. SCHWIDETZKY 1974 p. 45) were selected, CZEKANOWSKI (1957) then tried to put the giving of races on a map onto a more objective basis and made use of the approximation method of WANKE. One considers here on the basis of hypothetical race constants and calculates the approximation of a given population to the constants in percent. CZEKANOWSKI worked here on the basis of a system of four race constants: Nordids, Mediterraneans, Armenoids approximately = Dinarids), Laponoids (appr. Alpines). The approximation was calculated on the basis of three indices (length-breah index of the head, morphological face index, nasal index) and hair and eye colours. Of the here reviewed race maps the one of the Polish anthropologist shows he largest extension of the predominantly Nordid characterized area in Germany. It also includes the biggest part of Württemberg and parts of north Bavaria, while the biggest part of Baden and the remaining Bavaria are given on the map as areas where the Laponoid elements stands at the first place.

    For north Germany the picture on the map coincides with the result of local investigations, where the characteristic-statistical statements are placed into the classification system. This applies among other for the Obervieland near Bremen (v. KROGH 1938), the Schlei area (KEITER 1931), the population of the Vogelsberg (RICHTER 1936) and the Rhön (DAUSACKER 1937, PFISTER 1937, REPPERT 1937). However here repeatedly is drawn attention to a varying in the direction of the broad-headed, broad-faced Cromagnoid type. An exception is SALLER (1930, 1931), who regards the north German populations he investigated as predominantly Osteuropid (East Baltic), but who did this on the basis of a type definition which also fits to the Cromagnoid broad-headed broad-faced combine of characteristics (comp. KEITER 1931).

    In south Germany there are several local investigations, where the Dinarid type is put at the first place by the investigators. This applies especially for the rural population of Miesbach (RIED 1930), where however at a third of the Dinarids the pigmentation did not fit to the leadng type, but was fair; for a village on the Schwäbische Alb (BREIG 1935), for the southern Black Forest (SCHAEUBLE 1941); and also for the southern Allgäu (SCHULTZ 1935) and middle Franconia (GRUMMT 1938) a high share of Dinarids was ascertained. An Alpine share is observed by many investigators; but no one puts it at the first place. A strong share for the strucure of the population is assumed for the Black Forest (SCHAEUBLE 1941), for Franconia (GRUMMT 1938, MÜSSEN 1937) and for the population of Thuringia (KURTH 1938). But also repeatedly for such areas, which should be according to race maps Alpine, this was rejected decidedly. SCHEIDT (1931) found within the Alemannic peasants at the Lake of Constance "no trace of hint for broad, low faces of a so-called Alpine race", and GIESELER and NECKER (1941, p. 66) say: "The widely circulated idea of a predominance of the Alpine-Ostisch element in Württemberg does not correspond to the real stuation."

    Race maps and race-typological estimation with local investigations thus correspond well for the northwestern part of north Germany and the southern part of south Germany. On the contrary the Alpine race seems here, just as in the general discussion about the racial structure of Europe, most problematical. Against all race maps there seems to exist no larger region in Germany, where the average picture of characteristics of the population corresponds convincingly to the descriptions of the Alpine type. Properly speaking large parts of Germany have to stay race-typologically unclassified, because there cannot be the predominance of a certain type assumed as in the northern north Germany and in the southern south Germany.

    References:

    Biasutti, R. (Ed.): Le razze e i popoli della terra, 4th ed., vol. II: Europa - Asia, Torino 1967.
    Breig, A.: Eine anthropologische Untersuchung auf der Schwäbischen Alb (Dorf Genkingen) (Deutsche Rassenkunde 13), Jena 1935.
    Coon, C. St.: The races of Europe, New York 1948.
    Czekanowski, J.: Zum Problem der anthropologischen Struktur von Deutschland, in: Bull. Schweiz. Ges. Anthropol. Ethnol. 33 (1957), p. 37-41.
    Dausacker, J.: Rassenkundliche Erhebungen in den Rhöndörfern Geroda und Platz, Würzburg 1937.
    Deniker, J.: Les races et les peuples de la terre, Paris 1900.
    Eickstedt, E. v.: Rassenkunde und Rassengeschichte der Menschheit, Stuttgart 1934.
    Gerhardt, K.: Der sogenannte Borreby-Typus, in: Homo 20 (1969), p. 141-159.
    Gieseler, G./Necker, W.: Rassenkundliche Untersuchungen an Wehrpflichtigen aus dem Wehrbezirk Tübingen, Stuttgart 1941.
    Grummt, E.: Die Rassenkunde des mittelfränkischen Jurabauern im Bezirksamt Weißenburg i. B., Erlangen 1938.
    Keiter, F.: Schwansen und die Schlei. Schleswigsche Bauern und Fischer (Deutsche Rassenkunde 8), Jena 1931.
    Krogh, Chr. v.: Das Obervieland. Ein Beitrag zur Rassenkunde der nordwestdeutschen Marschbevölkerung, Bremen 1938.
    Kurth, G.: Rasse und Stand in vier Thüringer Dörfern (Deutsche Rassenkunde 17), Jena 1938.
    Müssen, G.: Anthropologische Untersuchungen in Wildenau (Bayer. Ostmark), Erlangen 1937.
    Pfister, E.: Volkers und Speicherz, zwei Rhöndörfer, rassenkundlich gesehen, Würzburg 1937.
    Reppert, E.: Rassenkundliche Erhebungen im Raume Fladungen (Rhön), Würzburg 1937.
    Richter, B.: Burkhards und Kaulstoss, zwei oberhessische Dörfer (Deutsche Rassenkunde 14), Jena 1936.
    Ried, A. H.: Miesbacher Landbevölkerung (Deutsche Rassenkunde 3), Jena 1930.
    Saller, K.: Die Fehmaraner. Eine anthropologische Untersuchung aus Ostholstein (Deutsche Rassenkunde 4), Jena 1930.
    Saller, K.: Süddithmarsische Geestbevölkerung. Eine anthropologische Untersuchung aus dem niedersächsichen Sprachgebiet (Deutsche Rassenkunde 7), Jena 1931.
    Schaeuble, J.: Eine rassenbiologische Vergleichsuntersuchung an Schwarzwäldern aus Hotzenwald und rumänischem Banat, Freiburg i. B. 1941.
    Scheidt, W.: Alemannische Bauern in reichenauischen Herrschaftsgebieten am Bodensee (Deutsche Rassenkunde 6), Jena 1931.
    Schultz, B. K.: Rassenkunde deutscher Gaue. Bauern im südlichen Allgäu, Lechtal und Bregenzer Wald, Munich 1935.
    Schwidetzky, I.: Grundlagen der Rassensystematik, Freiburg i. B. 1974.
    I find this at the Net: what do you think about it?

    Schwarzer Deutsch or Black Germans, found along the Danube River in Austria and Germany, in the Black Forest and, to a lesser extent, along the Rhine River, have dark hair and eyes, unlike the fairer people both north and south of them. Their descendants in America may be called either Black Dutch or Black German. The origin of their dark coloration is ancient, from the Roman army in the third and fourth centuries, C.E. The Roman army of this time period was mostly made up of German mercenary soldiers, but along the German border, the Romans preferred to station non-Germans. The army on the Danube was mostly drawn from Garamante soldiers. The Garamante (called Tubu now) were Black Africans from the central Sahara. Now the Tubu live in northern Chad, eastern Niger and southern Libya. They are not usually found north of Marzuk in Fezzan or Kufra in Cyrenaica now, but in Roman times they ranged north to the central coast of Libya and to Ghadames in southern Tunisia. As well as Garamante, there were some Iranic people stationed on this frontier, especially Sarmatians (called Ossets now) and Scythians (Ashkenazi in the Bible) from southern Russia and the Ukraine. These African and Iranic soldiers left many descendants who tend to have black, heavy hair and dark eyes even yet.

    Beethoven and Hitler are two famous examples of this group. It is interesting to imagine Hitler's reaction to someone telling him he probably got his heavy, black hair from Black African ancestry. Since this was so long ago, with population movement and inter-marriage, all Europeans must have some ancestry from these Black African soldiers. In sixty generations, a person could leave 1,000,000,000,000,000,000 descendants with just two children per person each generation so long as no descendants married each other. Obviously, after a time, many descendants will marry each other, but still it works out statistically that most people from that long ago who left descendants at all are ancestors of everyone in Europe today. The tendency for people to stay in their own community explains why we can see the effects along the Danube and in the Black Forest in the people with black hair and dark eyes but do not see it far afield like Iceland. The concentration is far greater at the point of origin, but the dispersion radiates out to everywhere given enough time.

    Sounds like an oax or what?

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    Question Re: On the Racial Composition of Germany

    Quote Originally Posted by Bernhardt
    Schwarzer Deutsch
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    where did you read that?

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    Post Re: On the Racial Composition of Germany

    Sounds like an oax or what?
    Total nonsence, even if their might have been some black individuals in the regions of today Germany-Austria its idiotic to state that CERTAIN PERSONS representing "Negroid" admixture directly after 1600 years in between...

    If you look at the people which were chosen, you can clearly see that this is a text written by some German-hating people which love to spread hoax's.

    BTW Tubu are mixed people - Aethiopids, to state Hitler and Beethoven were Athiopids is totally absurd.

    What idiot wrote this?
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    Post Re: On the Racial Composition of Germany

    That's that Afrocentrist crap which the member "Dark Feelings" already presented here a few weeks ago...


    Along the Rhine border, Roman legionaries and auxilia troops (of non-Roman citizens) were about equal in their number, along the Danube border the troops as whole was much weaker and dominated by auxilia.
    The population influence of Roman border troops is surely existent, but of course relative, probably most recognizable in a certain Mediterranid element especially in some regions left of the Rhine (esp. Mosel valley).

    According to two of the latest books on the subjects "Roman soldiers in Germany" (Reinhard Wolters: Die Römer in Germanien, Munich third ed. 2003; Maureen Carroll: Römer, Kelten und Germanen, Stuttgart 2003), most Roman legionaries along the border to Germania were from Italy (according to inscriptions especially from the former Celtic northern Italic areas), then from the Provincia Narbonensis (southern Gaul) and some from Spain.
    Most auxilia troops were from the less Romanized parts of the Iberian peninsula, very numerously from that parts of Gaul which were conquered latest, from the Rhine area, Raetia, Thracia and Dalmatia. Syrians are also proven as border troops, northern Africans only sporadic.
    There were, besides especially troops from northern Gaul peoples, very well Germanic recruted troops along the border, directly when the Germanic provinces were established, from the Rhine area.
    And since the third century there happened a quite strong Germanization of the border troops, from Germans from the Germania libera.

    Besides Wolters and Carroll, also Erich Keyser, Bevölkerungsgeschichte Deutschlands (new edition 1943), a compact "population history" of Germany, writes basically the same.

    I won't lose one single word about that Schwarzer Deutsch "analysis" (which, besides, should be grammatically correct Schwarze Deutsche); the idea that non-light-blonde Europid forms are all of Negrid extraction is too stupid to waste one second on it.
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