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    Thumbs Up Update on Reichsführer-ϟϟ Himmler’s Death

    The final moments of Heinrich Himmler can be revealed 65 years after his suicide following the discovery of an old soldier's war diaries.

    And while Himmler's final words are widely believed to have been: 'I am Heinrich Himmler', according to the diaries he laughed in the face of a young officer before swallowing the pill.

    Unbeknown to the British, Himmler was among the German soldiers captured after the Nazi surrender - disguised in a sergeant's uniform with a patch over one eye.

    But his ruse was blown by his own shocked comrades who immediately informed their British captors of Himmler's presence. Corporal Jones - then 27 - and another officer were tasked with challenging Himmler before he took his life. […]

    He wrote: 'Two of us went in and had a look and only one German soldier stood about four beds down. He wasn't a very big man. ‘He was dressed in the Wehrmacht uniform and had sergeant stripes on his collar and arm and a patch over one eye.

    'The officer and I stood in the doorway and the officer said "we have reason to believe you are a German officer of the SS and we have been told that you are Himmler."

    'At this he laughed and said "you my boy are just a young captain and to take me I want to see your colonel in charge."


    'So at once the officer said to me to take him, as we made to get him he just put his hand to his mouth and before we got to him he dropped dead on one of the beds and kicked two or three times and then lay still.'

    Two days later and under the cover of darkness, Corporal Jones helped bury Himmler in an unmarked grave on Luneburg Heath, in northern Germany.

    He was made to sign the Official Secrets Act and told never to speak of the matter again. The episode has been classified by the Ministry of Defence until 2045 - 100 years after the momentous event.

    Due to the level of secrecy involved, there have been various speculative accounts of Himmler's death over the years, with one being that he took cyanide while being examined by a British doctor.

    But the actual circumstances of his demise have emerged following Corporal Jones' recent death aged 92. His grandson Jason Renshaw had previously read his grandfather's war diaries with astonishment but has chosen to make them public following his death.


    Source: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1299606/Final-moments-Nazi-Heinrich-Himmler-revealed-soldiers-war-diary.html
    He died laughing, which is all what matters in the end.

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    Many thanks, Ahnenerbe. The only question which remains is why these minor details should be considered a matter of such grave importance for the security of Britain that it was to remain top secret for 100 years.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ahnenerbe
    He died laughing, which is all what matters in the end.
    Heil Himmler!
    Ein Leben ist nichts, deine Sprosse sind alles
    Aller Sturm nimmt nichts, weil dein Wurzelgriff zu stark ist
    und endet meine Frist, weiss ich dass du noch da bist
    Gefürchtet von der Zeit, mein Baum, mein Stamm in Ewigkeit

    my signature

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    If it's true then this is excellent news! However, the Daily Mail is a nasty pro-Jewish rag that's still obsessed with WW2 and it's always coming out with these kinds of "revelations".

    I don't know, I'm just a bit sceptical here and my scepticism is increased by the fact that the account was penned not as it happened but in 1980, which was 35 years later when the soldier concerned was 70 years old. I also see that his grandson wants to write a book about it

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    Sounds like a good way to have gone out; sparing himself from having to attend a kangaroo court.

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    Well, like I say, I really hope it's true because I probably won't be around when the official documents are de-classified in 2045.

    There have been a few such claims though, and didn't they recently say that the skull found in the Berlin bunker with a bullet in it (previously thought to be Hitler's) was in fact that of a younger female?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Godwinson View Post
    There have been a few such claims though, and didn't they recently say that the skull found in the Berlin bunker with a bullet in it (previously thought to be Hitler's) was in fact that of a younger female?
    If that is true, then it makes me wonder whether the original forensic scientists won their degrees in a lottery? You can tell the race and gender of a skeleton usually by a few bones alone, and age can be traced by marrow studies, bone wear, testing for radioactive exposition. That they'd confuse the skull of a 56-year old man with that of a young woman wouldn't say much about their expertise.
    -In kalte Schatten versunken... /Germaniens Volk erstarrt / Gefroren von Lügen / In denen die Welt verharrt-
    -Die alte Seele trauernd und verlassen / Verblassend in einer erklärbaren Welt / Schwebend in einem Dunst der Wehmut / Ein Schrei der nur unmerklich gellt-
    -Auch ich verspüre Demut / Vor dem alten Geiste der Ahnen / Wird es mir vergönnt sein / Gen Walhalla aufzufahren?-

    (Heimdalls Wacht, In kalte Schatten versunken, stanzas 4-6)

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    Well I totally agree with you there, Sigurd!

    However, we all know these forensic scientists are not idiots and so propaganda obviously comes into play and you start to wonder what the agenda is

    Here is one of many links re. the "new findings" to do with the skull ...

    http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/news...-a-womans.html

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sigurd View Post
    If that is true, then it makes me wonder whether the original forensic scientists won their degrees in a lottery? You can tell the race and gender of a skeleton usually by a few bones alone, and age can be traced by marrow studies, bone wear, testing for radioactive exposition. That they'd confuse the skull of a 56-year old man with that of a young woman wouldn't say much about their expertise.
    They needed a skull to fill the empty slot maked "A. Hitler". Here is a thought: Maybe someone in the NKVD picked the skull of a young woman on purpose, so that the bluff would be revealed some day.

    I have always been a little skeptical to the Himmler story as well; it's just a little too neat. He takes a pill, is almost immediately cremated and his ashes are scatterd for the wind. That is exactly the kind of story you would make up to fill the empty slot marked "H. Himmler". My suspicion is that if they had really gotten Himmler, they would have done a Mussolini on him, even if he had killed himself.

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    100 years for the Himmler documents is the same embargo on release as the US placed on the electro-magnetic research at Ohrdruf. For that reason I am wondering if there is something about the corpse which is being kept secret to justify such an inordinate period of time for retention.

    Admiral Byrd of the 1947 US Antarctic Expedition died in 1956. He is the subject of many allegations of having visited "a parallel world" from Antarctica, and in that world he might have been exposed to a form of radiation "from the Black Sun" which affected his organs and skeletal structure. At his interral, a strange mix-up happened at Arlington cemetery which has never been corrected. He was buried in a casket under the marker for his son, and his son under the marker for the Admiral. Thus if the body of "Admiral Byrd" should ever be disinterred, it will be "clean" of radiation because it will not be his.

    As Reichsführer-SS, Himmler would have had access to all areas of SS research. This included electro-magnetic research in the unconventional technologies. He may have become exposed to radiation of an unusual kind which would have been noticed on autopsy. This would explain why his corpse was laid to rest somewhere in the middle of Lüneburg Heath and not incinerated or otherwise disposed of in the manner for which those who had suffered under his regime would have clamoured.

    Moreover, there is a reason why I think it possible that Himmler also visited the parallel world region as had Admiral Byrd. The evidence is not strong but it reads as follows.

    Felix Kirsten was Himmler's personal physician and confidante. In the Spanish version of Felix Kersten's memoir Yo fuí confidente de Himmler (publ. Plaza & Janes, Barcelona 1967 at p.324), there appears this following snippet of conversation.

    Kersten: "Do you believe in the survival of death?"
    Himmler: "The question is very delicate. Evidently not everything ends with death...but it is very difficult to say for certain what form that survival will take." (He then goes on to speak of his belief in reincarnation).

    If you the reader were asked this question, your reply would be "We go to heaven or hell" or "there is no after-life" or "we are reincarnated" or something similar stating your personal belief. The Reichsführer-SS was no wiser in this matter than yourself and would have been obliged to say the same. By using the otherwise unnecessary word "evidently", Himmler was letting it be known that he had obtained the answer from what he considered an unimpeachable and infallible source: i.e. not from a human as we understand the term, but from some being whose answer he trusted. Therefore, he might have been to the parallel world and enquired into this question.

    Another question which must have plagued Himmler was his personal karma. Since he died laughing, those denizens of the parallel world probably also told him that he had no worries on that score. All the things that had been done in the Third Reich were down to Hitler, who, as Kersten remarks, had said that he took full responsibility for everything.

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