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    Quote Originally Posted by Juthunge View Post
    Before Constantine Christianity was by all means a religion for the slaves and oppressed, it's no coincidence that at first, it emerged chiefly in the cities and urban centres.
    There were many worthy Christian intellectuals before Constantine's "conversion" experience. I can name a few off of the top of my head:

    Justin Martyr.
    Origen.
    Irenaeus.
    Polycarp.

    In 2,000 years Christianity has added alot of baggage and BS but the idea that it was a religion for slaves and the oppressed in toto isn't true; the religion also attracted many noteworthy intellectuals, who helped to formulate the simplers beliefs of the apostalic age into more complex terms via the medium of Greek philosophy. Polycarp is an interesting case; he was a disciple of John the apostle.

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    There is zero proof that Jesus existed as a real man.

    Most often, like in Paul, the spirit called Christ is in lieu of Jesus named.

    The distinction is pretty clear.

    Jesus the myth and his life are allegories which contain the teachings of the spirit called Christ.

    This Christ is actually a very very old heathen entity, in Russia it was called Krest.

    The death of Jesus on the cross for example is an allegory of Wotan.

    Wotan hang for 9 days and nights on the tree of life, he also was pierced by a lance. Jesus was given then to the stone grave (a pretty obvious connection to northern stone graves) and was resurrected after 3 nights.

    That is the old sun myth of heathenism, where the sun is going under the Earth (for 3 month, as seen from the north pole) and then is resurrected again.

    The piercing of Jesus chest is a clear allude to the hallowing of warriors who did not die on the battlefield. The lance is Wodan chosen weapon and warriors who died on the bed where pierced with a lance so they could enter Walhall.

    In the Externsteine there is also a stone grave, where most likely rituals have been performed with, which are then later described in the bible.
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    Paganism

    In practical terms, there isn't much going for paganism. Christianity has been our religion for 1500 years, it is woven into every important aspect of our lives, and there is nothing to replace it. Traditional Christianity, not the feeble liberal parody we have now, solves all our problems - Morals, Identity, Community, Marriage, Births, Deaths, it's all there. Remember, Atheism is Communism, it has left us vulnerable to social marxist cultural assault.

    Watch the Traditional Britain Group Conference speech by Rev. Peter Mullen, 'The State of the Church of England and its heresies', (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z8pAXxmjgQ0) you will see Christianity does and should work for us not against us, if only we reclaim it from the liberals.

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    Christian nationalists often blame the current situation in Europe on atheism. However, they confuse atheism for nihilism and materialism. There is no evidence to link the advocacy or perpetuation of this treachery to atheism, or to the loss of Christian identity. Here is why a Christian revival won't be Europe's salvation:

    Demographic Crisis: Will A Christian Revival Be Our Salvation?

    It is often said that the salvation of “Western Civilisation” can be found in the revival of Christianity and a strong Christian ethics system. Indeed, many people on the right of politics, toward the nationalistic end of the spectrum, advocate such a revival as a remedy for the problems of our age; nihilism; liberalism; Marxism, and so on and so forth. It is of course indisputable that post-modern phenomenons such as nihilism and rampant materialism were greatly less prevalent, if existent at all, when our societies were more orthodox in their religious persuasion. After all, religion gives one a higher purpose, that often renders thoughts of materialism and selfishness very much benign, given the far greater importance of a far greater purpose amongst true believers.

    However, there is no evidence to suggest that a return to this Christian foundation will solve the most pertinent problem of our age. We can all probably agree that, more important than materialism and nihilism and general liberalism, is the demographic crisis that our countries face in the West. This has come about through the mass immigration of non-Europeans into primordially European societies, or societies that have traditionally consisted of majority European diaspora. But there is no evidence to link the advocacy or perpetuation of this treachery to atheism, or to the loss of Christian identity.

    This is perhaps a topic for an article in itself, but those interested in a nihilistic and materialistic existence, complete with all the trappings of modern liberalism, have a great deal more to lose from the demographic shift than those with a strong Christian faith. Is it not the case that the mass immigration of culturally different migrants with a lesser economic productivity potential than the host population is counter-productive to the material interests of the said host?

    But that is a digression and discussion for another time. The question relevant to the topic in focus is whether there is evidence to suggest that a strong Christian conviction correlates to a greater defence of European civilisation in the face of demographic ruin. In this instance, many Christianity advocates quite logically offer Poland as a demonstration that this is indeed the case, given that Poles and their government are famous for their rejection of immigration from non-European countries as well as their strong religious conviction – 86.9% of Poland’s population are subscribers to Roman Catholicism. The Polish government often cite this religious argument in their rejection of EU-imposed migrant quotas, stating that their rejection of Islamic migrants from outside of Europe is a defence of their Christian tradition and heritage.

    And of course that’s not an invalid argument. Given the exponential growth of the religion of Islam worldwide and the faith’s tendency to convert by the sword, it’s perfectly logical to reject Islamic immigration on the basis that one seeks to defend their Christian culture. Yet as we look at the rest of Europe, it becomes plainly obvious that this is more an superficial defence to mask a politically uncomfortable truth. That is to say that it’s much more politically acceptable to reject migrants on the grounds of their faith than on the colour of their skin. This is clear by the very different attitudes of other countries in Europe that also subscribe to the same Catholicism that the Poles do.

    Italy is perhaps the most contrasting example for this exercise. 88% of Italians subscribe to Roman Catholicism, an even higher percentage of the population than in Poland, yet Italy’s attitude to migration is the polar opposite of Poland’s. As we all know, Italy has been at the forefront of Europe’s efforts to bring the hordes from Africa to the shores of Europe, through various fronts from the state-run coastguard ferrying migrants from the African coasts, to the NGOs’ illegal people smuggling expeditions. At the height of the migrant crisis, thousands of Africans were released upon the Italian population on a daily basis – did they rise up and reject this in the name of their Christian faith?

    There’s a similar story evident in Greece, where 90% of the population are followers of Eastern Orthodoxy, the same Christian denomination that holds sway in traditionalist Russia and other strongly conservative countries in Eastern Europe. Yet this did not stop the Greek people electing a radically left-wing government that has been a vocal critic of the EU-Turkey migrant deal and an advocate of what is essentially an open-door policy for all of Europe. Why were they not defiant in the name of their faith, as the Poles have steadfastly been?

    There is also the small matter of the Catholic church’s spiritual leader, Pope Francis, very publicly advocating mass immigration of non-European, non-Christian migrants into Europe. An embarrassing spectacle for many Catholics, who claim the current pope isn’t representative of their faith. That said, there are those who claim Venezuela or the USSR aren’t representative of socialism – that is, I suppose, an internal matter for adherents to determine.

    Somewhat paradoxically, there are examples in Europe of leftist governments and culturally atheist societies opposing the immigration of non-Europeans just as vigorously, if not more so, than even the Orthodox Poles. Slovakian Prime Minister Robert Fico is the best example of this. Fico is a former member of the Communist Party, once describing himself as ‘strictly atheist’, in conjunction with having a ‘Marxist worldview’. He’s now Prime Minister of Slovakia heading a government of the Direction-Social Democracy party, which is essentially a modernised, repackaged edition born from the remnants of the old Communist Party.

    As Slovakia’s leader, Fico has been an outspoken critic of the European Union’s migrant quota policy. “As long as I’m Prime Minister, mandatory quotas will not be implemented on Slovak territory”, was his defiant statement under the pressure of the Brussels elite. Other quotes of his include his assertion that “we monitor every Muslim in Slovakia”, and that Slovakia will not accept “one single Muslim” migrant in the country. These are terms even stronger than those used by the Catholic Poles, and are diametrically opposed to the sentiments of Orthodox Greece’s government.

    Then there are the regional divides withing religiously divided nations that offer an alternate hypothesis, or even an antithesis, to the notion that a revival of Christianity will halt the demographic crisis. Germany is perhaps the best example of this, where even at first glace and on a rather superficial level we can see that the open-door policy was instigated by Merkel’s party of government, the Christian Democratic Union, whose platform is based around “Christian conservatism”. Upon a necessarily deeper inspection, we find that rather than Christians opposing Islamic immigration and the irreligious advocating it, the opposite is the case.

    The map below (Figure 1) denotes the prevalence of faith in the various regions and states of Germany. The territory that previously constituted East Germany (German Democratic Republic) has the greatest propensity toward atheism, with almost every region reporting the irreligious as accounting for between 70-100% of the population. This is a hangover from the socialist days, in which the government of the day instigated a policy of what was essentially state atheism. The region also has, as one might expect, quite left-wing tendencies, being the most fertile ground for Germany’s primary left-wing party, Die Linke.



    Footnote:

    Not only will it not help us to reject the advancement of mass immigration, but moreover, it clearly isn’t contributing to the propagation of the European races in the way in which many claim it will. I didn’t include this issue in the main article, for it is really a non-starter, but note that the fertility rates of Orthodox traditionalist countries such as Russia, Hungary, Poland and so on are well below the required re-population rate of 2.1, just like the more irreligious countries of Europe.

    Fertility rates:

    Poland – 1.32, Russia – 1.75, Hungary – 1.44, Greece – 1.3, Spain – 1.32
    https://www.defendevropa.org/2017/he...ian-salvation/

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    Quote Originally Posted by Out of Germania View Post
    Christian nationalists often blame the current situation in Europe on atheism. However, they confuse atheism for nihilism and materialism. There is no evidence to link the advocacy or perpetuation of this treachery to atheism, or to the loss of Christian identity. Here is why a Christian revival won't be Europe's salvation:
    Well, the perpetuation of atheism hasn't exactly been beneficial. Almost all antifa are atheists and most liberals strongly lean toward it. Are they just doing it wrong or is your atheism different, or more correct, than their version? It has been just as devastating to our people as Christianity was.

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    IMO the increasing atheism is largely a consequence of Christian neglect, hypocrisies, and contradictions. As in the time of Martin Luther, our German missionaries bend their backs over for people living in other countries, typically minorities.

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    I don't think there ought to be a zombie or Borg Christendom. I value the uniqueness of the Reformation and likewise appreciate how the Subcontinentals have kept their paganism apart from the rest. I'm not hugely into British India, just find affirming parallels.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Nachtengel View Post
    Christian nationalists often blame the current situation in Europe on atheism. However, they confuse atheism for nihilism and materialism. There is no evidence to link the advocacy or perpetuation of this treachery to atheism, or to the loss of Christian identity.
    It should come as no surprise I do link spiritual impotency (atheism) to Germanic decline, although it's perfectly possible to be an atheist and not a degenerate both in theory and practice. But it does require serious ideological commitment, an electrified spirit. Non-degenerate atheists seem by definition highly attached to radical ideologies or a special life philosophy. Which few atheists are.

    In my view there's causation between atheism on the one hand and nihilism & materialism on the other, because Christianity always rejected both - and historically speaking the rise of atheism went hand in hand with the emergence of liberalism, increased comfort for an emerging middle class and ultimately consumerism, nihilism and materialism. Nietzsche was aware of the issue as well and finding a way around this problem is what made him famous. It don't think it worked considering where we are.

    It doesn't help that the natural human tendency is to min-max: achieving maximal results with minimal efforts, we are 'lazy' that way. if God doesn't make the rules, if the rules aren't rooted in tradition, men will make them up as they go. And then we will settle for lesser, baser rules. Because it's easier, that path of the least resistance. Which makes us extra susceptile to complacency and that is what usually destroys civilizations, empires or enterprises.
    “As brothers and sisters we knew instinctively that if we were going to stand in darkness, best we stand in a darkness we had made ourselves.” - Douglas Coupland

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    Quote Originally Posted by Chlodovech View Post
    It should come as no surprise...
    Your analysis is correct. However, the question is not whether spiritual impotency is an undesirable state for our people, but whether Christianity is the right spiritual vehicle to rectify a degenerated society.
    History has shown Christianity's propagation of a slave mindset with love before honor lead to all kinds of problems.
    "Nothing is more disgusting than the majority: because it consists of a few powerful predecessors, of rogues who adapt themselves, of weak who assimilate themselves, and the masses who imitate without knowing at all what they want." (Johann Wolfgang Goethe)

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    The Merits of an Abrahamic Europe

    The OP could just as well address:

    The Merits of Jewish Europe
    The Merits of an Islamic Europe
    The Merits of a Marxist Europe

    If you validate one, how do you invalidate the others? Why not address:

    The Merits of a Pagan Europe
    The Merits of a Zorastrian Europe
    The Merits of an Hindu Europe
    The Merits of a Buddhist Europe

    Which stratum is endemic to Indogermanics? Really, the difference is South vs North Indo-Europa.

    All you have to do is see whether you're Germanic or not. Germanics are not Afroasiatic, unless you think Yids qualify. If you think Abrahamic legacy belongs in Europe, you can't object to Ashkenazim and Sephardim in the Ghetto or mass Islamicisation anymore than mass Christianisation. Indo-Irania could hardly object to mass Christianisation for the same reason they already had mass Islamicisation and the Jewry in Dhimmitude. Who thinks it is better to be part of the Semitosphere and Abrahamosphere, or that splitting those hairs is possible?

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