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    Quote Originally Posted by Ediruc
    Velvet, you seem to think Christianity = Democracy. Christianity isn't a democratic religion in anyway. It is a monarchy religion.
    It's neither, because chistianity is a void invention.
    But I dont really see how you come to that interpretation at all from what I wrote above?


    Quote Originally Posted by Ediruc
    Yeah, Germanics went off and fought in the Crusades. Does it really matter? Would you have rather let the Islamic forces put our peoples' backs to the sea, instead of going out and fighting them while they were still at bay?
    Look, the point is that the crusades were not to defend Europe from Muslim invasions, but to free Jerusalem, which is obviously not Europe.

    Talking about the earlier invasion into Spain in the 8th/9th century, back then partly under Frankish rule is quite something else than the crusades, which really has nothing to do with each other.

    It is quite two different things, to defend Europe against invasions, which of course is a good thing, or to lead tens of thousands of our soldiers to Jerusalem to free it from Muslims.

    Apart from the reason to do that in the first place (which is solely christianity), it is also how the crusades caused damage on their way. They raped, plundered and burnt down villages and cities on their way with absolutely NO sense for their oh so "holy" teachings of christianity, they created a path of destruction and death, all in the name of christianity and "god".


    Why is it that christians obviously cant grasp the difference between these two, rather unrelated events in history? Why is it that "nationalist" christians keep claiming that the crusades were "to defend Europe", despite that the reason for the crusades was to free Jerusalem, which you can read in every single book about the crusades, in all original scriptures and so on? And also, why is it obviously so hard to understand that Jerusalem is not Europe, that Europe to this time was not even in danger to be invaded by Muslims? The Muslim Golden Age ended around the end of the 10th century, they had a lot of internal problems and didnt really have any armies left over that were not busy to fight against other Muslims about the "right interpretation" of the Qur'an writings. They simply lacked the means, and also the interest to this time to invade Europe. As pointed out, these attacks came much later, from the Ottoman Empire (which only was founded in 1299 - when the crusades were long over), and it is btw safe to assume that these newly attacks were indeed a revenge for the stealing of their holy temple mountain, which they wanted back, or at least partly motivated by that.

    It is a very simple timeline, that is not that hard to understand.

    8th/9th century: invasion by Sarazenes in Spain. Charlemagne fought hard, but still lost large parts of the Spanish territory.* WEST EUROPE

    11th/12th/13th century: crusades to Jerusalem to free the temple mountain from Muslims. MIDDLE EAST

    14th century: newly attacks by the freshly found Ottoman Empire, to retaliate the defeat and to expand the anyway fast growing Ottoman Empire. Affected territory was the Byzantine Empire, nowdays Turkey (also not exactly Europe, rather Asia Minor).


    * Interesting side note is that the Franks to this time also tried to invade Denmark, a battle that Holger Danske put to rest for the common interest to keep the Sarazenes out of central Europe, and sided with Charlemagne's army, that same enemy the Danes just fought themselves.

    Also Pagan Europe was obviously aware of the danger the Muslims posed, and there is absolutely nothing to support the common christian claim that Pagan Europe had not defended itself against their invasions and that it was christianity that saved us from Muslim rule only. This is utter nonsense, as many other void claims of christianity "uniting Europe" are utter nonsense.

    This is the same BS Muslims claim with their "religion of peace" and the Dar-Al Islam (House of Peace), because on the other side of this story is the Dar-Al-Harb (House of War) (and some other distinctions more), describing non-Muslim countries that are still to be submitted under Islam (which means Submission, and not "Peace", which is just a result of submission to Allah).

    The christian claim to have "united" Europe is the very same process. Christianity conquered territories and submitted them under "christian rule", against their will. And it's not that this forceful submission would have created "peace" and all lived happy to their end. There have been constant inner wars against the imposed rulership, there have been the persecution of heretics (most likely exclusively people, apart from the few church 'heretics', following their pagan religion), and with the Reformation started also inner-christian wars, one douchy against the other over the "right" interpretation of christianity, with counter-popes in France against Rome, even with a three-pope phase and new wars to "unite" Europe again under (Roman Catholic) christian domination. THIS WAS ALL BUT PEACEFUL, or something worth to be called "unity". And this process of constant inner-European war ended only after the French Revolution, namely with the Europe-wide introduction of "constitutional monarchy" of 1848, which made Europe formally fully christian (mainly Lutheran, not catholic, so it was also the 'final' defeat of the Roman church actually). Not that this had ended the inner-European squabble completely either, but it at least calmed down a lot.

    These internal wars, persecution of "heretics" and pagans, retarded wars for a foreign god and so on costed us Germanics millions of our best people over the centuries, and at the end it also costed us Europe as a whole, and there is noone left after more than thousand years who could defend our lands. How exactly had christianity benefitted us?
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    Revisionist Hypocrisy

    I've been considering, and thought I'd ask for an answer to my question here.

    Why is it commonly accepted that Rome was the realization of the Greek ideal, but denied that Christendom was the realization of the Roman ideal?
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    Perhaps because Christendom was a realization of the Roman ideal despite its Christianity.

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    Although I am an atheist but I generally agree that in the course of history, Christianity was better for Europe than paganism. The Emperor Constantine's decision of making Christianity the religion of the Empire was decisive and profound that was to change the course and direction of European history.

    In times of multi-faceted factions and many tribes at war, it brought uniformity, cohesion, purpose for human beings. It created for people an interest in high learning and the arts etc...that led to the Renaissance and subsequently the Enlightenment etc... and the 'modern' western world.

    However, today, I believe it has served it's purpose and it has run it's course,

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    Religion is not a means for personal gain or supremacy. It's not meant for to say "My God's more real/better than yours" Religious differences are superficial. All have the same destination.
    Religion is devotion to God. Some view him as more than one, some view him as the One creator, some call him Christ, some call him Odin, some call him Vishnu, some people mistakenly worship themselves. It's how humans conduct life on earth that defines the religion (eg cultural expression). It's mans disobedience to the teachings of the Gods and prophets throughout the ages (excluding Muhammed and Yahweh) that causes such arguments, fights, destruction, ect. I don't think any religion of the world is not guilty of some kind of injustice.

    On the surface alone, the Age of Christianity brought more advancements and changes to civilization than did Paganism. It wasn't the will of Christ but the will of the Kings and Popes. If they had lived the way Christ instructed them to, history would be much different.
    I too lament the destruction of our native religion and the emergence from "barbarity", but there's nothing to be done about it now. It's over. The most we can do is honor and revere our past and our old Gods.

    The object is to improve, not rebuild.

    I can't believe this thread is even still going...

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    If you say why Christianity is responsible for the advance of the germanic people and not the people itself then please give some reasons to assume why Christianity produced that advancement in germanic people.

    it certainly did not produce advancement in the roman people as they suddenly went in to a steep decline and final dissolution.

    it didn't produce cultural/technological advancement in Africa but the total destruction of that weebit of culture those people had.

    it didn't produce any advancement in the Phillipines. They got western tradition through the traders and colonizers but not through christianity.

    Pagan culture in germanic lands was in many area far advanced than christian lands like turkey, christian greece, christian roman lands, christian Palestine and what not.

    Germanic advancement came through the race of germanic not through a backwards semitic religion with its infantile beliefs. That is what stopped germanic advancement as shown in many instances. Prescribed things which were not deemed to study or changed or in any way mentioned, an alien taboo system was what held germanic people back. That changed as christianity lost its hold on germanic people, from then on their advancement shoot off like a rising star until today and even though under heavy abuse of jewish parasites.

    National-socialism was not christian but went into the direction of paganism. The cultural and technological advancement during the short years of NS is staggering.

    Every time we get rid of christianity germanic people advance in big steps.

    Vikings had many advancements in shipbuilding, agricultural terms, exploring the world and so on. what happened after their christianisation? poof, all gone.

    Christianity is dumbing people down, instill neuroses through infantile beliefs and destroys thriving cultures. that is the truth.

    Jew culture is the source of christianity, so what exactly had they that made them advanced over other people? NAda, nothing, zero. They have been camelf*ckers and are today.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Freja_se View Post
    Hopefully Christians can unite people and get support from white people who are fed up with atheist Christianity-hating leftist/liberal scum
    Being atheist Christianity-hating right-wing scum, I'd have to object here.

    who want to crush the one thing that used to keep us united in traditional, conservative and racially homogeneous societies until cultural Marxist indoctrination destroyed them.
    Christianity wasn't "the one thing" that kept us united in homogenous societies. What you're doing here is taking a healthy Germanic mentality and putting another name on it ("Christianity"). It's not because of the Semitic religion that we are what we are, it's in spite of it.

    Unfortunately, the virus of Christianity is so deeply ingrained into many of our traditions that it's only anti-European and counterproductive to attack Christian individuals (unless they're "Christian conservatives" who accept all races, as long as they believe in Jesus). For better of worse, it's a part of our culture now, and there are far better targets such as Jews and Muslims.

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    Counterproductive to attack Christian individuals (unless they're "Christian conservatives" who accept all races)

    Very true

    Christianity also helped preserve Europe think the Order of the Dragon, The Holy League, The knights of Saint John etc and has fostered nationalism until recently, just look at the Swedish flag to see how it is entwined it is with nationalism.

    Our Germanic pagan tradition and the Christian tradition have become entangled think the Yule log and the Christmas tree.

    Pope Pius V expelled the Jews from all the Papal States excepting Rome and Ancona, other Popes did likewise

    I was reading an article recently in a Jewish newspaper about the sexual revolution and pornography that highlighted significant Jewish involvement in it, apparently part of the Jewish motivation was that it revolted against Christian authority weakening the dominant culture.



    I have not yet met a Jewish guy who wasn’t horny as a rabbit,’ says Jewish porn star Nina Hartley, ‘Culturally it’s OK for Jews to act and for WASPs it’s different. Plus, they get to have sex with all these beautiful blonde women. Where else are you going to get a succession of shiksas [non-Jewish women] to bed you down?’”

    Jews in pornography, 2001.



    ‘Jewish families tend to be more liberal than Christian ones,’ says the performer, citing the preponderance of Jewish men in porn. ‘They aren’t obsessed by the fear of the devil or going to hell’.

    Meet A Nice Jewish Porn Star Ron Jeremy looks more like your Uncle Moe than a sex god,” By Naomi Pfefferman, Jewsweek.

    Please read:

    http://forums.skadi.net/showthread.php?t=136556

    I have come across American Christian evangelical websites which are staunchly against immigration whilst supportive of preserving racial and cultural identity.


    This happend just recently:

    http://forums.skadi.net/showthread.p...59#post1140059



    However forms of Christianity embrace mass immigration and multiculturalism, I went past a Christian book shop last week and saw this book in the window:



    I thought to myself no wonder the church is having trouble getting Western youths.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Alfadur View Post
    Christianity wasn't "the one thing" that kept us united in homogenous societies. What you're doing here is taking a healthy Germanic mentality and putting another name on it ("Christianity"). It's not because of the Semitic religion that we are what we are, it's in spite of it.

    Unfortunately, the virus of Christianity is so deeply ingrained into many of our traditions that it's only anti-European and counterproductive to attack Christian individuals (unless they're "Christian conservatives" who accept all races, as long as they believe in Jesus). For better of worse, it's a part of our culture now, and there are far better targets such as Jews and Muslims.
    Regardless, the decay of a deeply rooted European tradition (regardless of its original roots) is a general reflection of the degeneration of our culture. Christianity did, in many ways, codify, standardise and enforce the Germanic mentality and help preserve it till very recently. Historically, Christians have been very intolerant of foreigners. It is only in modern, liberalised Christianity that you can find multiculturalist ("it's okay if they're Christian!") and Zionist ideology.

    The notion that Judeo-Christianity is the cause of all our multicultural problems is a very simplified one. Multiculturalism/multiracialism existed in the pagan Roman Republic/Empire, and, arguably, the Nordic colonies such as Iceland, where large numbers of Gaels were taken as slaves and later integrated.

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    Even though there might be some Christians who are poisoned by cultural Marxism and egalitarian thinking in a society totally and UTTERLY ruined and saturated by cultural Marxism, there is no denying the historical track record of Christianity in Europe.

    Many of those infiltrating the Church, destroying it from within, are probably Jews posing as Christians such as Jewess Helle Klein who likes to further ruin the Christian Church in Sweden and promote homosexual marriage.



    Helle Klein, great granddaughter of the Grand Rabbi of Stockholm, Gottlieb Klein, and former political commentator at the leftist rag Aftonbladet, posing as a "Christian" priest.







    Christian, traditional society was not egalitarian.

    On the contrary, it was an anti-egalitarian, hierarchical and patriarchal class society where values and morals, respect for traditions and the order of the societal structure were taught and protected by the Christian Church.


    Christian traditional society was anything BUT egalitarian, and it was anti-socialist. The socialist anti-Christians started the process of destroying society. We can see the end product today in Germanic countries where Christianity has been thoroughly defeated.


    Compassion for the poor and downtrodden existed, but it was generally compassion for your own people, not for everyone BUT your own people.



    Christian society assured the racial/ethnic homogeneity of our countries. It was fundamentally a Nationalist and patriotic culture, and the non-egalitarian class structure produced simple workers and available jobs for them.



    Christianity-dominated culture kept our countries racially homogeneous all through its existence.

    In the very short period since it was crushed, anti-Christian leftists and liberals have managed to demographically destroy our countries and turn the Marxist indoctrinated and now non-religious inhabitants into soon-to-be minorities in their own countries.

    That is fact. The rest is conversation.

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