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    Question Jewish "Superiority" Due To Rich Influx of Germanic Blood?

    Jewish "Superiority" ? Due To Rich Influx of Indo-Germanic Blood?

    Houston Stewart Chamberlain writes in his book, The Foundations of the 19th century:

    "The Goths, who in a later age went over to Mohammedanism in great crowds, and became its noblest and most fanatical protagonists, are said to have at an earlier period adopted Judaism in great numbers, and a learned specialist of Vienna University assures me that the moral and intellectual as well as the physical superiority of the so-called “Spanish“ and “Portuguese“ Jews is to be explained rather by this rich influx of Teutonic blood than by that breeding which I have singled out to emphasise, and the importance of which he too would not incline to underestimate. Whether this view is justifiable or not may remain an open question."

    http://www.hschamberlain.net/grundla..._chapter4.html

    In Jews in the Modern World, Ruppin (1934) asserts that Jews are not a racially pure group, because of widespread intermarriage and illicit sexual relationships in the diaspora. Nevertheless, he describes three "racial types" of Jews, one (the Oriental Jews) genetically identical to the ancient Jews, and two others (Sephardic and Ashkenazic) resulting from an influx of gentile genes in the diaspora. Although these racial types are not racially pure, because they originated as a result of cross-breeding, they represent racial types because they have been genetically isolated for centuries in particular areas. Ruppin therefore conceptualizes the Ashkenazic and Sephardic Jewish populations as originating from a high level of cross-breeding followed by prolonged periods of genetic isolation, with the result that contemporary Jewish populations have a high degree of genetic homogeneity and phenotypic resemblance.

    http://www.euvolution.com/articles/chapt5.htm

    Gregory Cochran, Jason Hardy, and Henry Harpending note that Jews did not have a reputation of being smart in the ancient world:

    "The ancient Jewish population suffered remarkable vicissitudes—the Babylonian exile, the Hellenistic conquest and Hasmonean state, the revolts against the Roman Empire—but most of that history is probably irrelevant to our thesis, except to the extent that it helped create necessary cultural preconditions. Irrelevant because in pre-Diaspora times, the Jews did not occupy an unusual ecological niche nor did they yet exhibit unusual cognitive traits.

    Most Jews then were farmers, just as in nearly all settled populations, and they must have experienced evolutionary pressures similar to those experienced by other peoples of the region. A fair amount of classical commentary on the Jews has been preserved, and there is no sign that anyone then had the impression that Jews were unusually intelligent." Natural History of Ashkenazi Intelligence. Gregory Cochran, Jason Hardy, Henry Harpending, Department of Anthropology, University of Utah

    Jewish intelligence has become a hot topic following the publication of a paper by Greg Cochran and Henry Harpending in The Journal of Biological Science.

    Cochran and Harpending base their argument of Ashkenazi uniqueness on their belief that Jews did not have a reputation of being smart in the ancient world.

    http://www.kevinmacdonald.net/blog-IQ.htm

    The theory asserts that Jews were no smarter than others before the Middle Ages, and that other, non-Ashkenazi Jews are still no smarter than non-Jews.

    http://mangans.blogspot.com/2009/02/...thing-you.html

    In "Medieval Evolution: How the Ashkenazi Jews Got Their Smarts," Cochran & Harpending wade into a topic which has piqued the interest of many thinkers across the generations, the possible reasons for the incredible contribution of Jews to modern intellectual production over the past 200 years. As usual the argument here is a synthetic one, drawing from both textual historical sources and population genetic theory. Surveying the ancient records Gregory Cochran notes that in the Classical world Jews did not have a reputation for cleverness, while at the same time in the medical literature contemporary Jews have a peculiar pattern of a high frequency of a variety of recessive diseases.

    http://www.takimag.com/site/article/...in_biohistory/

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    Good contribution. I will analyse the sources of the research to have a better idea, this could be one explanation for the observed phenomenon of large numbers of Sephardic and Ashkenazi Jews with features typically Aryan. but still remain the questions It could be understandable that possessing strong Germanic genetic elements Jews had reached the same level than the the Germanic population in general but not to a higher level as the studies suggest.

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    Gregory Cochran notes that in the Classical world Jews did not have a reputation for cleverness.

    Actually he gives a very deductible reason: the Jewish scholarship was concentrated at those time on religious insights. I must remember by the way that the pre-diaspora Jews created the bible, old and new testament, works that shaped most of the western civilization up to our days, a venom to our race but a venom well elaborate, so It is not difficult to understand why the ancient world did not pay a lot of care about the Jewish Intellectual Achievements.

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    The influx European/Germanic genes played a mayor role in the slightly higher* average intelligence of Jews coming from the diaspora that had lived in Europe. Of course then in a pretty closed environment and then occupying professions where a high intelligence is a strong benefit, together with certain other traits, led to rising % of Jews that are of Ashkenazi decent.

    *Last I read it had been lowerd to 110, with a difference with the highest Germanic groups that it is insignificant.
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    I doubt them to be more intelligent. They are way more deceptive and manipulative as white people. For that you might need a certain criminal intelligence but even that is not necessary as white people are very trusting.

    They aren't able to bring asiatic people down who are used to that behaviour.

    It's only white for their easy trust and blacks for their dumbness.

    Einstein was always praised as a highly intelligent Jew but he stole and copied the idea from white physicists who published before him. He was dumb enough to try the math by himself and made a mistake and PUBLISHED it with the mistake. How smart is that?

    If you compare white physicists with jew physicists you see that the breakthroughs came mostly from white guys. Or can you name another jewish physicist from the caliber of white guys?

    They always try to get very smart people on their side. So they alleged that Bobby Fisher was a jew what he always strongly denied.

    If you see how they deceive the american people with their crap (just look at 9-11) you see that they are not smart at all. It is a pretty dumbo deception.

    Or take the Holocaust nonsense. those are all easily to debunk lies.
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    Ashkenazi Jews

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    In Jews in the Modern World, Ruppin (1934) asserts that Jews are not a racially pure group, because of widespread intermarriage and illicit sexual relationships in the diaspora. Nevertheless, he describes three "racial types" of Jews, one (the Oriental Jews) genetically identical to the ancient Jews, and two others (Sephardic and Ashkenazic) resulting from an influx of gentile genes in the diaspora. Although these racial types are not racially pure, because they originated as a result of cross-breeding, they represent racial types because they have been genetically isolated for centuries in particular areas. Ruppin therefore conceptualizes the Ashkenazic and Sephardic Jewish populations as originating from a high level of cross-breeding followed by prolonged periods of genetic isolation, with the result that contemporary Jewish populations have a high degree of genetic homogeneity and phenotypic resemblance.
    "Ashkenazi Jews are more different genetically from Middle Eastern Jews than Germans or English are from Greeks, and at least as different as Norwegians and Sicilians." Raphael Patai, Jennifer Patai, The myth of the Jewish race, 1989, Page 292.

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    Lethal Stereotypes: Hair and Eye Color as Survival Characteristics

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    Ashkenazi Jews are more different genetically from Middle Eastern Jews than Germans or English are from Greeks, and at least as different as Norwegians and Sicilians. Raphael Patai, Jennifer Patai, The myth of the Jewish race, 1989, Page 292.
    Lethal Stereotypes: Hair and Eye Color as Survival Characteristics

    Journal of Applied Social Psychology
    Volume 32 Issue 11, Pages 2368 - 2376

    Published Online: 31 Jul 2006

    © 2010 Wiley Periodicals, Inc

    http://www3.interscience.wiley.com/j...TRY=1&SRETRY=0

    ABSTRACT

    In spite of many false negatives and false positives quite familiar to the people of Nazi-dominated Europe, dark hair and eyes were salient among the physical stereotypes of Jews that the Nazis promulgated along with psychosocial ones. Many narratives of the Holocaust refer to someone surviving because he or she "did not look Jewish," and others being caught and killed because they did. A quantitative test of the validity and impact of this attribution showed that a higher proportion of Holocaust survivors than of a North American Jewish control group had light-colored hair, eyes, or both during the relevant period. The paper discusses possible reasons why these were survival characteristics under the conditions of the Holocaust, the possible short- and long-term effects of such selectivity, and implications for stereotyping in other situations of ethnic persecution and genocide.

    http://dienekes.50webs.com/blog/archives/000295.html
    http://www.psych.usyd.edu.au/staff/helenp/

    Survival of the palest....

    However, I believe hair and eye blondism in Ashkenazic Jews are mostly the result of a large dosage of German mtDNA, coupled with strong founder effects in a very small initial population.

    http://www.gnxp.com/MT2/archives/000762.html

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    Ashkenazi Jews interbred over hundreds of years with Europeans and acquired European genes

    Ashkenazi Jews interbred over hundreds of years with Europeans and acquired European genes

    The curious expression of all proclamations of Jewish superiority over others, (even when it is cloaked in its most supposed benevolent form that they have bestowed to mankind the possibility of righteousness, justice, and universalism) is an absolute guarantee to invoke anti-Jewish sentiment in non-Jews. Gentiles are not -- and never will be -- fond of being systematically slighted, degraded, and insulted by Jews, who position themselves as a special caste at every turn, currently and historically. An added curiosity is that the foundation for a endemic Jewish self-celebration has an intra-Jewish chauvinism as well. In the intelligence realm, all such claims for innate Jewish intellectual superiority rest upon the visible status-laden achievement of successful Jews in various fields in the Western world, or in "scientific tests" that measure the exceptional skills of, specifically, Ashkenazis (Jews of European descent). Jews who lived for centuries in the Mediterranean, North Africa, and Middle East (the Sephardim, technically meaning Spanish Jews, but colloquially encompassing Jews from the "Orient"), and other countries, in recent decades reunited with their historic brethren in modern Israel, are never part of the "God's intellectual gift to mankind" scenario. In fact, Sephardic Jews (who are second-class citizens, economically and otherwise, in Israel) measure poorly against Ashkenazis on intelligence tests and other measures of achievement. It should be no surprise that those in Israel who dictate the parameters of "intelligence" measurement in the first place, and who legislate the whole country for that matter, are Ashkenazi.

    In 1994 Richard Herrnstein, a Jew, and his non-Jewish co-author, Charles Murray, came out with a controversial book, The Bell Curve, hell-bent on again resurrecting in new form the old racist and classist argument that intelligence is hereditary in that some "races" are inherently smarter -- and some, conversely, stupider -- than others. But the authors are especially particular about Jewish superiority. "Ashkenazic Jews of European origins," they say, "test higher (for intelligence) than any other ethnic group." Such Jews "constantly show their disproportionate level of success, usually by orders of magnitude, in various inventories of scientific and artistic achievement."

    So what might the obvious explanation for this discrepancy, per "intelligence," between Ashkenazi and Sephardim, (let alone non-Jews) be? Both groups are, supposedly, of ancient common origin as Jews, the Sephardim of the Middle East are usually even closer to their racially "Semitic" origins than the Ashkenazi. So what is different about them?

    Europe, of course. Setting aside the possibilities that purely cultural motivators expressed as ambition, aggressiveness, opportunity, encouragement, and other such traits may play a major role in the displaying of "intelligence" as it relates to, and is evidenced by, accomplishment, if an argument for innate "Jewish (Ashkenazi) superiority" is to be taken seriously at all the explanation must focus on the fact that A) Ashkenazi Jews interbred over hundreds of years with Europeans and acquired European genes, or B) that Ashkenazi Jews developed the way they did -- intellectually or otherwise -- due to conditions in relation to -- and/or the influence upon them by-- the surrounding European culture. Neither one of these obvious explanations for Jewish "genius" is an expression of Jewish superiority; rather, European "blood" and/or culture are afforded major shares of responsibility. It's not difficult to discern that the whole argument explicating some kind of innate Jewish superiority is unsupportable. If simply being Jewish meant one was genetically "smart," what happened to the Sephardim (the most purely Semitic of Jews), who apparently are "innately" disposed to be, intellectually, "like normal people?"

    Complicating Jewish genealogy debates even further, there are even some Jewish authors -- Alfred Lilienthal, A. N. Poliak (a former professor of medieval Jewish history at Tel Aviv University), and Arthur Koestler among them -- who have published arguments that most Ashkenazis are probably not even truly racially Jewish, or at least have little Jewish genes in them, and that they are largely descended from Turkish and Slavic converts to Judaism: mostly the so-called Khazars of the eighth century.

    "A substantial part," suggests Koestler, "and perhaps the majority of eastern [European] Jews -- and hence of world Jewry -- might be of Khazar, and not, Semitic origin." [KOESTLER, p.17]

    Another Jewish scholar, Paul Wexler, has written two volumes even arguing that -- based on largely linguistic analysis -- most Ashkenazis and Sephardim are not of authentic Jewish "stock."

    In Wexler's view, even the Sephardim are "primarily descendants from Arabs, Berbers, and Europeans." [WEXLER, p. 1-12] In such research, Wexler follows the terrain of other Jewish scholars obsessively searching for authentic-- usually racial Jewish pedigrees by following linguistic clues.

    "It is very probable," notes French Jewish scholar Maxine Rodinson, "-- and physical anthropology tends to show that this is true -- that the so-called Arab inhabitants of Palestine (a majority of whom, moreover, are people who have 'become Arabs'), have much more of the ancient 'Hebrews' blood than most of the Jews of the Diaspora." [RODINSON, p. 79]

    A little known African tribe, the Lemba, can even make stronger genetic claims to being Jewish than can many European Jews. In scientific testing of DNA samples, the Lemba have been discovered to have markers on their Y chromosome that are comparable to Jews of the kohanim (the traditional Jewish priest caste, a degree of Jewishness attainable, by Orthodox rules, only by birth. Common kohanim surnames in the Western world include Cohen, Kahn, Kaplan, Rapaport, Katz, Azoulay, and Harunoff). The Lemba, who are today mostly Christian, nonetheless believe themselves to be racially Jewish. Lemba tradition asserts that their forefathers emigrated to Yemen 2,500 years ago, later forging to Zimbabwe and South Africa. [HIRSCHBERG, P., 1999, p. 30-32]

    In the medical realm, other genetic evidence about Jews in general, particularly the Ashkenazim, is contradictory. While some argue that fingerprints, enzyme markers, and other genetically-based evidence points to a common gene pool, there is also evidence that questions Jewish Ashkenazi racial lineage to Abraham. "A genetically controlled enzyme deficiency, G6PD," notes Joshua Halberstam, "is rare among both Ashkenazis and Eastern European non-Jews but common among both Mediterranean Jews and Mediterranean non-Jews. Nor do Jews appear related by blood. Blood types are variably distributed around the world, and here again Jews most closely represent their host population." [HALBERSTAM, p. 76]

    If such evidence -- linguistic and genetic -- is what it obviously seems, for many people in the world who call themselves "Jews" their important hereditary connection to Abraham as members of the Chosen Race is illusory, just another in the many paradoxes of Jewish identity. Nonetheless, personal and communal conviction are powerful things.

    http://www.jewishtribalreview.org/17racis.htm

    "Ashkenazi Jews are more different genetically from Middle Eastern Jews than Germans or English are from Greeks, and at least as different as Norwegians and Sicilians." Raphael Patai, Jennifer Patai, The myth of the Jewish race, 1989, Page 292.

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    We have to consider that a certain time, trade and especially money-credit business was rather limited also due to the Christian rules and moral.

    But the business was there and there were many Armenian, Greek, but also other European merchants around, which probably had to expect more limitations as Christians than as Jews.

    So one possibility we have to consider is, that this "merchants" which were of course already socially higher standing, more intelligent etc. already, even before they became Jews, might have decided, at times, that is better for their business to convert to Judaism than being Christian!

    Judaism is a religion around trade and benefits, I think it is quite likely that, when Christianity began to limit certain practices for Christians, some higher level but corrupt Christians began to convert to Judaism for saving their business.

    I might also remind you, that certain aspects and sects of Calvinism are even more like Judaised Christians - typically a religion being pretty common in later strongly Capitalist-Individualist areas - if they tended not towards that deviation already - and among merchants of course, including bankers and money lenders.

    So probably Judaism attracted a certain kind of people from the Levantine and European spectrum, especially after Christianity emerged and began to make up stricter rules in certain businesses for Christians than for Jews...

    If you would have made up "a new ethnic group" out of the merchants alone - of any people in Europe - they surely would have been more intelligent than the average of their original nation - probably having other traits as well, like tendency towards a specific social behaviour, social intelligence, corruption etc.

    Also Europeans were - intellectually - downbred in Feudal-Christian times, especially among the peasantry. I wouldn't wonder if the free farmer-warriors in the 4th century would have been more intelligent than the peasants of the 19th century, in fact, I'm pretty sure they were, considering all the dysgenic influences in between.

    The Jews on the other hand had a stronger selection for intellectual qualities and capacities, so they kept their standard or even made up a better one - with certain losses due to one sided (in-) breeding and in some families at least with rather negative personality traits - at least negative for other people, but still, intellectually, they were for sure NOT down-, but rather upbred, contrary to the average European peasant populations.
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    Well, let's put it this way: The only "smart" Jews are indeed the Ashkenazim who have lived among Europeans for hundreds of years. It would seem to me that if it were "Jews" who were naturally more brilliant, Sephardim wouldn't be living in earthen homes and Falashim wouldn't be living in straw huts.

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