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    "Asians Can't Think." Asians' Creativity Deficit, Inferiority to White People in Creativity

    "Asians Can't Think." Asians' creativity deficit, inferiority to white people in creativity

    A recent piece by John Derbyshire (http://article.nationalreview.com/38...ohn-derbyshire), very much worth reading in its own right, contained a link to a brutal depreciation of the Asian intellect by one Satoshi Kanazawa, professor at the London School of Economics. Prof. Kanazawa has plainly had it up to here with Asians and puts the smackdown on white multiculturalists who gain virtue points by talking up Asian superiority.

    http://www.epjournal.net/filestore/ep04120128.pdf

    The article begins with a section pleasingly entitled “Asians Can’t Think” that documents their pronounced inferiority to white people in creativity. Intelligent Asians are great at making “making the robot dog Aibo look and behave even more like a real dog,” but they’re very bad at formulating the radically new concepts that make for major scientific innovations.

    Asians are so conformist that they have a hard time grasping the Western concept of original work.

    At LSE, we have an enormous problem of plagiarism among our Asian students. Despite the fact that each student, Asian or otherwise, must sign a declaration that their work is original and they have not plagiarized, many Asian students simply copy the work of established scholars. To them it is a venerable act of honoring their masters to “borrow” from them, by copying their words verbatim. No matter how much we tell them that it is wrong, Asian students simply cannot understand why it is wrong to honor their intellectual masters by faithfully reproducing their work. Needless to say, this is no recipe for scientific progress.

    Kanazawa treats us to an insider’s lowdown on Chinese university students:

    The communist government of the People’s Republic of China (PRC) has a policy of not letting their brightest students leave the country for fear of the brain drain and of forcing them to study home at Chinese universities. Then it sends the second-rate students to American universities and the third-rate students to British universities, both with falsified transcripts and exam results to make them look first-rate. Here at LSE where I teach, we receive a large number of these third-rate Chinese students dressed up as first-rate. (About 5-10% of all undergraduate and graduate students at LSE are from PRC.) Virtually every Chinese applicant to LSE boasts “the highest exam scores in their province.” Apparently it has not occurred to the LSE admissions office that there could not possibly be that many provinces in China. Naturally, most of these PRC students do very poorly and fail out of the program, and, when they do, many confess to having purchased or otherwise fabricated their exam scores and transcripts before they applied for LSE.

    http://whiteamerica.us/index.php/Blo..._asians_think/

    Asians' creativity deficit: http://whiteamerica.us/index.php/Art..._west_part_ii/

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    This is very interesting,given the fact that they have countries much richer,equal and civilized than ours,their economies are improving in a much faster pace than ours and they have much more chance of survive this century with countries they can unmistakably call their own than we do.We should learn from them.

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    Westerners and Easterners see the world differently

    Westerners and Easterners see the world differently

    22 August 2005

    NewScientist.com news service

    Zeeya Merali

    http://www.newscientist.com/article.ns?id=dn7882

    Chinese and American people see the world differently – literally. While Americans focus on the central objects of photographs, Chinese individuals pay more attention to the image as a whole, according to psychologists at the University of Michigan, in Ann Arbor, US.

    “There is plenty of anecdotal evidence suggesting that Western and East Asian people have contrasting world-views,” explains Richard Nisbett, who carried out the study. “Americans break things down analytically, focusing on putting objects into categories and working out what rules they should obey,” he says.

    By contrast, East Asians have a more holistic philosophy, looking at objects in relation to the whole. “Figuratively, Americans see things in black and white, while East Asians see more shades of grey,” says Nisbett. “We wanted to devise an experiment to see if that translated to a literal difference in what they actually see.”

    The researchers tracked the eye-movements of two groups of students while they looked at photographs. One group contained American-born graduates of European descent and the other was comprised of Chinese-born graduate students who came to the US after their undergraduate degrees.

    Each picture showed a striking central image placed in a realistic background, such as a tiger in a jungle. They found that the American students spent longer looking at the central object, while the Chinese students’ eyes tended to dart around, taking in the context.

    Harmony versus goals

    Nisbett and his colleagues believe that this distinctive pattern has developed because of the philosophies of these two cultures. “Harmony is a central idea in East Asian philosophy, and so there is more emphasis on how things relate to the whole,” says Nisbett. “In the West, by contrast, life is about achieving goals.”

    Psychologists watching American and Japanese families playing with toys have also noted this difference. “An American mother will say: ‘Look Billy, a truck. It’s shiny and has wheels.’ The focus is on the object,” explains Nisbett. By contrast, Japanese mothers stress context saying things like, “I push the truck to you and you push it to me. When you throw it at the wall, the wall says ‘ouch’."

    Nisbett also cites language development in the cultures. “To Westerners it seems obvious that babies learn nouns more easily. But while this is the case in the West, studies show that Korean and Chinese children pick up verbs – which relate objects to each other - more easily.

    “Nisbett’s work is interesting and suggestive,” says John Findlay, a psychologist specialising in human visual attention at Durham University, UK. “It’s always difficult to put an objective measure on cultural differences, but this group have made a step towards that.”

    Nisbett hopes that his work will change the way the cultures view each other. “Understanding that there is a real difference in the way people think should form the basis of respect.”

    Journal reference: Proceedings of the National Academy of Sciences (vol 102, p 12629)

    http://www.newscientist.com/article.ns?id=dn7882

    http://serendip.brynmawr.edu/exchange/node/2309

    The West is impulsive, is into searching, is into daring. The East keeps what it has. http://www.johnsanidopoulos.com/2010...-east-and.html

    The Reality of Racial Differences
    By The Realist • 1/17/07
    Naturally different

    http://inverted-world.com/index.php/...l_differences/

    Quote Originally Posted by Einarr View Post
    I disagree. Most everything that they have accomplished was something which was given to them and then modified (by them). The West modernized Japan, paving the way for what it is today.

    It is not as if they are incapable of innovation or creativity, rather it is just that they aren't on the same level as Europeans. Abstract or problem-solving related thinking is just something that is more akin to whites, which history has shown. Whether it be through science, technology, music, art, or discovery. A natural desire to explore, to seek out the unknown. Have you noticed that mongoloids have generally always stayed right where they are? They are not the exploring or inquisitive type. They do not like asking questions, which is what true innovation and advancement is all about.

    I have read before that the frontal lobes of whites (brain) are larger/more developed, which are the centers for creativity. Perhaps it is true?
    http://forums.skadi.net/showthread.p...60#post1018560

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    Thumbs Up Essential Differences Between 'East' and 'West'

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    Essential Differences Between 'East' and 'West'

    http://www.johnsanidopoulos.com/2010...-east-and.html

    DIFFERENCES IN THE RELIGIOUS THINKING BETWEEN THE EAST AND THE WEST

    by Father Archimandrite Raphael Karelin

    The English poet Kipling began his poem with the words: "Oh, the West is West, and the East is East, and they will never move from their places, until heaven and earth appear at God's Last Judgement". Here by East and West we must not understand the parts of the world, which are divided geographically by the Ural and Caucasian Mountains. Rather, by East one must understand to be that extensive region, which was occupied by the eastern part of the Roman Empire, and then by Byzantium and the countries of the Near East (here it is possible to include both Egypt and Ethiopia), and by the West the Western European powers and generally all countries of West European culture.

    The Holy Fathers metaphorically said: "Light began to shine from the East"; the East symbolically represented Paradise, Eden, a country of eternal Divine Light. The West is young in a cultural-historical sense. The West is young. The East is old. The West is active. The East is contemplative. The West is all into emotions, all in motion, all very dynamic. However, the East is deep into itself; it appears that it does not want to remove its sight from the treasures which it possesses. The West is impulsive, is into searching, is into daring. The East keeps what it has. The West daydreams and fantasizes. The East searches everywhere for eternal ideas under what is visibly covered. The West dresses its saints in snowy garments, crowns their heads with wreaths of roses, but the East sees holiness equally both under rags and under gold. It sanctifies neither the rags of the poor, nor the monk's simple shirt, nor the rich dress of the tsars - it's as though it does not see the external.

    The West sends regiments of crusaders to liberate Christ's Tomb. The East sends monks into the deserts of Egypt and dwellings of Mt. Athos. The West bares the sword against the enemies of the faith. The East provides spiritual warriors for the invisible fight with the demons. The West, in order to suppress evil, creates such institutions as the Inquisition, and the East – great philosophical systems.

    The peak of western theology – is Blessed Augustine, a brilliant poet and thinker; but he is thoroughly psychology oriented. Eastern theologians: Saints Gregory the Theologian, Basil the Great, Gregory of Nyssa – are mystical. Augustine, his school brilliantly showed man in his fall and agony of searching, and the Eastern theologians showed man in his transfiguration. The West, by the mouths of its saints, sang a majestic hymn to God; the East, in a mystical silence, contemplated about God. The West was reaching out to the azure skies, and the East searched so as to meet God in the depths of the heart.

    Western ascetics tried to imitate Christ outwardly; the Eastern ones considered that there is only one way to imitate Christ – by acquiring the grace of the Holy Spirit: man, having acquired the Holy Spirit, only by grace, invisibly, becomes comparable to Christ. Western ascetics with songs on their lips went to Golgotha; the Easterners made life itself a Golgotha, invisible to the world.

    Some of the western ascetics imagined Christ so vividly, that they identified themselves with Him; on their hands and soles of their feet wounds appeared, from which ran blood. Stigmata was revered by Catholics as a sign of holiness. But the holy ascetics of the East tried to see only one thing – the sea of their sins and considered a terrible pride to compare oneself with Christ.


    The West resembled the young soldier, who bared his sword, the East – the old man, whitened with the gray hair of wisdom. The West wanted to bring the Kingdom of Heaven down to earth, to build a paradise on earth by earthly means. The East always paid tribute – to Caesar what is Caesar's – and prepared the way to the Kingdom of Heaven in man's heart, the passage not into the earthly Kingdom, but the eternal one.

    For the West the battle with evil was the earth, this temporary life with all its events and troubles, while for the East it was the human heart, which it saw as being deeper than the entire visible world.

    The West is active, but all its activity is turned externally. The East turned the dynamics of the spirit into itself. Western civilization is like a wide wave of light, but scattered light, light that is refracted through earthly prisms of different colors. But the East is the concentration of light at one point, and this is why this light has the special quality (energy, strength) to be converted into a flame. The West loved the earth, and in heaven he saw the earthly (earth). The East loved heaven and in the earthly (earth) he saw the symbols of heaven; in the temporary he searched for the signs of the eternal.

    Already the third bishop of Rome – Saint Clement, the successor of the holy apostle Peter, compared the Church with the army and called Christians to strict discipline, so that this army would be victorious. But in the East the Fathers said: "Conquer yourself – this is the highest of all victories". The ascetic teaching of the Eastern Fathers is a strategy of this spiritual fight (struggle) – fight with demons, with one's own passions. For the army to be victorious it is necessary to have centralized control, a strong authority is required and unconditional subordination, this is why the West created the Church structure, similar to a monarchy. For the fight with the age-old enemy of humanity the East searched for another force – this is the force of humility, in which the true power of the spirit is manifested.

    The West is oriented to external might: by external means it created various organizations, affected influence on culture, everywhere it looked for allies – in the world of arts, in literature, in politics, in society. But the East said: "True good can be created only with God's grace" and therefore it always rejected questionable allies; outwardly it seemed poorer, more helpless, weaker than the West; however, it did not look for power nor might of the world, but it searched for Christ, Who conquered this world.

    The asceticism of the West fills the souls of ascetics with enthusiasm and with admiration, the asceticism of the East – with repentance. The West, in the beauty of the world, desires to contemplate God's beauty. For the East God is Unutterable, Unknowable and Inexpressible. God, for the East, is not like anybody or anything from His creation – He is an eternal secret. The Western ascetic wants to embrace God, and the Eastern pleads only for one thing – the forgiveness of sins; searching in prayer for any kind of exalted states – this for him is already a sinful effort.

    The Western ascetic sees the light, which descends upon him from the outside (this is the vision of Francis of Assisi and others), and the Eastern sees Light, which lights up his heart from the inside; and as such he quivers, before God's favor, as unworthy of it.

    Western ascetics, demonstrating repentance, walked in cities in groups, entire societies, which were called "repentants" (or "penitents"); on streets and squares they removed their clothing and, in the presence of enormous multitude of people, would strike (flog) themselves with ropes and belts until they bled, and the ecstatic crowd glorified them as great saints of God, heroes of the faith. The Eastern – in the silence of the deserts offered repentance, invisible to the world; once one of the great Egyptian Fathers loudly sighed in church during prayers, but immediately he caught himself and, after turning himself to the nearby monks, said: "Forgive me, brothers, I am not yet a monk" – because repentance, as all virtues, must be secret.

    For the West the main thing is works (deeds). The works, for him, are of value: just as the good deed and so also the sin have a specific, clear structure (form) and a value. For the East the main thing is the spiritual state, and works are only its manifestation. Therefore, for the East even a small deed can be great, if it proceeds from a pure heart, and a great podvig (spiritual exploit or struggle) is negligible, if it is not dedicated to God or done by unworthy means. The morals of western ascetics are based on "the principle of quantity": who, outwardly, made more good deeds; the morals of the East are based on the purity of the heart, known only to the One God.

    The West attempted to realize the idea of God's Kingdom on earth, but with the methods of government: incentives, sanctions, intrigues and the like, transferred into the Church, profaned the purpose itself. "The end justifies the means" – this unwritten Jesuit motto with the greatest clarity and assuredness expressed the mood of those who are truly ready to build an "earthly paradise" by any means, at any price. However, the Eastern Church taught: a pure purpose, pure methods, a pure subject, this is how it was formulated by St. Dionysius.

    The West says: "Love and do deeds of self-sacrifice" and the East, first of all, cleanses the heart with the fear of God in the struggle with the passions, for the acquisition of the grace of the Holy Spirit. In the East there is only one monastic rule, one idea: the monk renounces the world and becomes a person who prays for it; the monk is like a star that rose from the earth to the heavens – he is far from everybody and shines for all.

    Western monks serve people and society. During many years, Hospitalers* took care of travelers and the monks of the order of Francis, "Franciscans", and educated children. The Jesuits were involved in politics, instruction of youth and similar works.

    Once, Catholic monks were asked whether they read ascetic literature. They were surprised and answered that such books were used only by professors and the teachers of history, and that their duty is to obey the father superior. The studying of the Jesus Prayer and of spiritual contemplation, in the West, are almost non-existent. Culture, science, society itself are constantly undergoing a change; that is why the face of Western Christianity is constantly changing: there rules the principle of modernism, there the ecclesiological teaching about evolution is accepted, new dogmas are born and new revelations are expected.

    * A member of a religious order known as the Knights of St. John of Jerusalem, that originated in the early 11th century in a hospital built in Jerusalem to care for the crusaders and pilgrims.

    Source

    http://www.dorogadomoj.com/der81kar.html

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    Quote Originally Posted by Hardwig View Post
    This is very interesting,given the fact that they have countries much richer,equal and civilized than ours,their economies are improving in a much faster pace than ours and they have much more chance of survive this century with countries they can unmistakably call their own than we do.We should learn from them.

    You are completely, totally brainwashed.


    Why are you even worried about "equality" and posting here?


    Go live in some village in China and tell me about their "civilization and advancements".
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    Vikingmanx

    I agree with Vikingmanxx,

    Genetic Gap-
    I think that Asian society is behind ours. We have created so much of the structure of the world on our own. This in my opinion is caused by genetics. The Asian people lack the genetics to create innovative ideas in society such as democracy, capitalism, and new technology. I feel that much of their innovation now is caused by them simply trying to copy cat the West. Many in Asia seem almost robotic to me.

    Their Behavior-
    Because most of my friends are Eastern Asian, I've noticed some strange psychological differences that they have. They place too much of an emphasis on respect that- to me at least- seems to suck out all the emotion and life out of things. Their work habits are so robotic and stressful. They overvalue money and possessions. They all seem to have distant relationships with their family. They also always undervalue things; themselves, other people, society and their spouses. I think they are typically highly pessimistic compared to westerners.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Hardwig View Post
    This is very interesting,given the fact that they have countries much richer,equal and civilized than ours,their economies are improving in a much faster pace than ours and they have much more chance of survive this century with countries they can unmistakably call their own than we do.We should learn from them.
    Because they don't let all the degenerate third-worlders into their nations -_-

    They find strength in their homogeneous nature and numbers.

    EDIT: And what VikingManx said, it isn't paradise in their nations. Only Japan and Russia are keeping the East up. China still has its problems (overpopulation, communistic government, industrial development and pollution, ect...).

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    Quote Originally Posted by VikingManx View Post
    You are completely, totally brainwashed.


    Why are you even worried about "equality" and posting here?


    Go live in some village in China and tell me about their "civilization and advancements".
    What is wrong with what he says ? he is right, Japan had two nukes on their land killed 90,000–166,000 people in Hiroshima and 60,000–80,000 in Nagasaki, and still Japan is a strong land, look at every land in the West, our own people hate what their came from and who they are.

    If you kill half a people of a land it can still grow to become a powerfull state, but if you kill a land from within it will die.

    In 1986, Japanese Prime Minister Yasuhiro Nakasone remarked that the average American intellectual standard is lower than the average Japanese standard because of the blacks and Hispanics in the U.S. He has often said that the source of Japan's strength lies in its "racial homogeneity."

    Western people are so stupid that they believe Nazis run the USA

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    Main question here is how much of this is do to genetics and how much to culture. Of course if a culture of conformism last long enough it will of course favor those who work best in such an environment. And our own universities are also pretty much training for conformism.

    An important difference is that alto East-Asians are on average more intelligent then Europeans, we got a higher number of people with a very high intelligence (and unfortunately more of those on the other side). And there seems to be a correlation between a very high intelligence and being more able to think outside of the box.

    Quote Originally Posted by Ancient Autumn View Post
    Western people are so stupid that they believe Nazis run the USA
    That indeed seems to be a common theme in standard conspiracy theories.
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    The major difference is alto East-Asians are on average more intelligent then Europeans, we got a higher number of people with a very high intelligence (and unfortunately more of those on the other side). And there seems to be a correlation between a very high intelligence and being more able to think outside of the box.
    Ahem...proof? statistics?

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