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    Classify My Great Grandfather Keen/Kuehn

    He had auburn hair, blue eyes, was a rather spindly fellow. For his side profile he has a projecting occiput, and is dolichocephalic. I'll post this pic when I get it from my ma'.

    His paternal lineage came out of Baden-Württemberg, Germany some of his folks came from Kuchen and Kraichgau, other ancestors came from Hammelbach, Affolterbach.

    He is 18.75% German Prussian.

    Some of his deeper German folks came out of the Rhineland.

    He has 1/16th (6.25%) Colonial British ancestry.

    There was claim that he had some French ancestry, but I have not found it in my research. With the current figures he comes out about 93.75% German, 6.25% British/English.



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    No opinions? Shucks. I'm curious which of his ancestries shows more physically. I have old photos of some of his male ancestors in his paternal line and they are more "dwarf" like in terms of ruggedness and beard growth, he takes after the more thinly built females in his family.

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    I'm not very good or experienced at classifying but I'll take a stab at it and say East-Nordid.

    Looks to be some variety of nordid with a CM element anyway.

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    I would say that your great grandfather is without a doubt, predominately Nordid with a slight Dalofaelid/CM influence. Hopefully, some other more experienced classifiers will also have some input, but I think my classification is fairly close.

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    He is indeed without a doubt pred. Nordid.

    Can't say much else, probably other pictures help, his forehead seems to be somewhat too high and wide for a fully typical Nordid, but even that is debatable.

    Progressive and leptomorphic pred. Nordid type for sure.
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    I'm no expert, but as an educated guess I would say he is a Nordid with possibly some Anglo Saxon influence. So far, I agree with the consenses that he is mostly Nordid, but I also think he could be a member of the Anglo Saxon type as well. The head height, narrow nose, long legs (general impression from 2nd photo), auburn hair, blue eyes and that you commented that he had a "projecting occiput and is dolichocephalic" and a "spindily fellow", are all characteristically nordid. The overall angular appearance of the head (mostly visible in 2nd photo), high forehead, thin lips and defined brow ridges is where the Anglo Saxon comes in.

    In addition, a few people menitoned seeing a CM element (I got the same impression), and www.theapricity.com, describes the Anglo Saxon type as essentially being an Iron Age Hallstatt Nordid mixed with Cromagnid elements. (Source: http://www.theapricity.com/snpa/rg-anglo.htm).

    There is a good chance the Anglo Saxon influence comes from the small percentage of English heritage in your great grandfather, but it also could be an element from the German side as well. It's kind of hard to tell, since the Anglo Saxon element is present in both nationalities. Kuehn sounds like a German surname.

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    Quote Originally Posted by wallflower View Post
    I'm no expert, but as an educated guess I would say he is a Nordid with possibly some Anglo Saxon influence. So far, I agree with the consenses that he is mostly Nordid, but I also think he could be a member of the Anglo Saxon type as well. The head height, narrow nose, long legs (general impression from 2nd photo), auburn hair, blue eyes and that you commented that he had a "projecting occiput and is dolichocephalic" and a "spindily fellow", are all characteristically nordid. The overall angular appearance of the head (mostly visible in 2nd photo), high forehead, thin lips and defined brow ridges is where the Anglo Saxon comes in.

    In addition, a few people menitoned seeing a CM element (I got the same impression), and www.theapricity.com, describes the Anglo Saxon type as essentially being an Iron Age Hallstatt Nordid mixed with Cromagnid elements. (Source: http://www.theapricity.com/snpa/rg-anglo.htm).

    There is a good chance the Anglo Saxon influence comes from the small percentage of English heritage in your great grandfather, but it also could be an element from the German side as well. It's kind of hard to tell, since the Anglo Saxon element is present in both nationalities. Kuehn sounds like a German surname.
    It is, it means:

    1. from a short form of any of the medieval German names containing as a first element Old High German kuoni ‘bold’, ‘daring’, ‘experienced’, or chunni ‘tribe’, ‘race’, ‘people’. The distinction became blurred at an early date. By far the most common such name is Konrad.
    2. In some cases, no doubt, it is a nickname derived directly from Middle High German küene ‘bold’.


    His main lineage comes out of Baden-Württemberg, along with the majority of his ancestors.

    I initially listed the 18.75% Prussian as separate as I'm not sure if all his Prussian ancestors were derived from the German settlers, or if there's some native Prussian buried deep in there. Rhinelander's make up the last fraction of his German ancestry. With Prussian included his ancestry is about 93.75% German derived.

    Despite the minimal British admixture, he and his kin still identified as "Penn. German", even after the language and Mennonite religion got phased out, he knew some of the language from what my late grandmother used to state about him, but the language fell out of fluent use before him.

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