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    Craniometrically speaking the biggest amount of Mediterranid Proper populations are to be found Southward from Europe and not in Europe, while the biggest amount of Nordid Proper populations are to be found inside Europe in Götaland.
    You mean Mediterranid generally or Gracilmediterranid?

    For Mediterranid that is not true, we have great reservoirs in Europe and those outside are, at least now, more mixed usually with other forms, most closely are those from the border regions.

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    The very earliest external slave trade was the trans-Saharan slave trade. Although there had long been some trading up the Nile River and very limited trading across the western desert, the transportation of large numbers of slaves did not become viable until camels were introduced from Arabia in the 10th century. By this point, a trans-Saharan trading network came into being to transport slaves north. Zanzibar was once East Africa's main slave-trading port, and under Omani Arabs in the 19th century as many as 50,000 slaves were passing through the city each year.[33][34] Most historians estimate that between 11 and 18 million African slaves crossed the Red Sea, Indian Ocean, and Sahara Desert from 650 AD to 1900 AD,[35][36] Frequent intermarriages meant that the slaves were assimilated in North Africa. Unlike in the Americas, slaves in North Africa were mainly servants and soldiers rather than labourers, and a greater number of females than males were taken, who were often employed as servants, forced into prostitution or to become the women of harems.[37] It was also not uncommon to turn male slaves, both African and European, into eunuchs via castration to serve as guardians to the harems.[38] The Moroccan Sultan Moulay Ismail "the Bloodthirsty" (1672–1727) raised a corps of 150,000 black slaves, called his Black Guard, who coerced the country into submission.[39] Slavery in Morocco was finally outlawed in the 1930s
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/African...n_North_Africa

    This one looks more Kavkazian than Mediterranean, not to mention that his skull is way too big/broad to be gracile mediterranid. He is similar to Emmanuel Chain:
    Metrically a pretty clear case and he has little deviating detail traits, if at all.

    I think this one is better, though he is not a textbook/pure/prefekt exemplar:
    Do you have metrical informations?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Agrippa View Post
    You mean Mediterranid genereally or Gracilmediterranid?
    Mediterranids Proper, not mediterranoids generally.

    Amongst non-muslims from outside Europe (southward), Mediterranid Proper is prevalent, just like the picture of the Lebanese woman I posted, while in Europe you will have a hard time finding a textbook Mediterranid Proper in non-mixed form as they all have extra influences, such as Dinarid, Nordid, Cromagnoid, Atlantid and so on.


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    Metrically a pretty clear case and he has little deviating detail traits, if at all.
    Well, do you agree that he is in terms of classification close to Emanuelle Chain?


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    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/African...n_North_Africa
    I would say it is older than this. The first populations where Upper-Paleolithics similar to our European cromagnoids, you can still find Upper Paleolithic survivors there and they are white skinned. But I would say that by the time they were invaded by Arabic armies, they probably were already mixed with other non-autochthonous populations.


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    Do you have metrical informations?
    No sorry, I do not. Picture is taken from this book:

    http://www.amazon.com/Physical-Anthr.../dp/0527012750

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    Mediterranids Proper, not mediterranoids generally.

    Amongst non-muslims from outside Europe (southward), Mediterranid Proper is prevalent, just like the picture of the Lebanese woman I posted, while in Europe you will have a hard time finding a textbook Mediterranid Proper as they all have extra influences, such as Dinarid, Nordid, Cromagnoid, Atlantid and so on.
    Well, those in Europe are more pure though quite often, as I stated, it's just that those South of the Mediterranean have other admixture and are often of another subtype too.

    Lebanese f.e. have more Armenid, Arabid, Asian Alpinoid admixture and the Mediterranid base is rather Eastmediterranid.

    Well, do you agree that he is in terms of classification close to Emanuelle Chain?
    Details of the expression are, racially not. Chain is much broader and very robust - the Gracilmediterranid is the opposite.

    He actually has stronger browrides than Nordoid and many Cromagnoids, yet Gracilmediterranid - rather not in my opinion....

    I would say it is older than this. The first populations where Upper-Paleolithics similar to our European cromagnoids, you can still find Upper Paleolithic survivors there and they are white skinned. But I would say that by the time they were invaded by Arabic armies, they probably were already mixed with other non-autochthonous populations.
    Various waves of Europids pushed more archaic undifferentiated and probably Negroid elements back - first Cromagnoid hunter-gatherers, followed by well organised Neolithic farmers, mostly of a general Mediterranid racial type, but with strains similar to Orientalids more often and with specific variants.

    Earlier contacts sure were present, but not significant. The huge impact really came with the slave trade, which brought additional European influences too though after the Greeks, Romans and Vandals...
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