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    Quote Originally Posted by Teutonic View Post

    And then my girlfriend made a comment about the German news saying how cool it was that Özils German girlfriend converted to a muslim..
    I have heard girls here say similar; they seem to think giving up part of their identity and going against thousands of years of tradition is somehow romantic and hip.

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    I don't think the "Jews" or "Sionists" represent more problem to the frankish (*)culture than the romainized Gauls. For exemple the only departments with still a franckish (Moselle) and Allemanic (Elsass) strong culture & identity are the only one still under 1801 Concordat that still define 4 official religions in Elsass-Lothringen:
    - catholic
    - lutherian
    - "reformed church" (mainly calvinist in Lorraine )
    - jewish

    Through the ages the 3 last ones where often persecuted in the French Kingdom but not in Duchy of Lorraine as long has it was a part of the Heilige Reich.

    For exemple between 1285 and 1314 then 1394 & 1685 there was officially no Jew in the French Kingdom but still in Lorraine, at least until 1477 (and in some newly attached territories)

    The Lorraine invasion during the 30 years war push several protestant (todays lutherian & reformed and also those named generically "Huguenots") to flee deeper in the Reich while Jewish were "welcome" as long as their was no public demonstration of their faith. Several came from Portugal.

    Judaïsm presence in Austrasia (Kingdom of Metz) dates at least from the time of Brunhild (who was blamed by Church for authorising Jewish & Christian to celebrate Easter incommon) & Siegbert.

    The Wergeld only made distinction between german, non german & slaves. Therefore in Austrasia every non-Franck was considered as "gallo-roman" if free, slave if not, wether he was pagan, christian or jewish. In fact rather than "Hebrews" lots of the Jewish in Gauls where converted Roman or Greeks.

    The mortals of todays that we are have no right to come-back on yesterday "Helden" tolerance.

    It is unclear if the first non-pagan temple in Lorraine happen to be a church or a synagogue, but the lastest one today has a lot of probability to be a mosque....

    The Jewish as well as the christians were there when the pagan Francks arrived. We took the land, the folk and the gods and even the tongue as a whole but as rulers (you know this story of the "race of the lords") but to protect not to enslave. Therefore north-european Judaïsm is a part of any frankish land (Lothringen, Luxembourg, Saarland, Franken (Franconia), etc...) culture just as north-european Christianity.

    Concerning "Sionism", see the same spirit in these 2 pictures



    If Gottfried von Bouillon had leave in 1945, he would have go to protect Germany on the eastern front, maybe among SS Division Wallonia or Karl der Gross, then would have seek redemption by enrolling as a non-jewish volunteer to kick Muslims out of Israël. Just as the real Gottfried first fight against the Pope as ordered by the Kaïser, then seeked redemption by answering the call for Crusade.

    (*) and even less for the french republican one because of "laïcité" there is in theory no Christians, no Pagans, no Jews, no Muslim,... and ethno-racail statistics are forbidden

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    Quote Originally Posted by Teutonic View Post
    And then my girlfriend made a comment about the German news saying how cool it was that Özils German girlfriend converted to a muslim..
    Did you girlfriend say that it was cool or did the news say it ? or both ?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ancient Autumn View Post
    Did you girlfriend say that it was cool or did the news say it ? or both ?


    No my beautiful girlfriend is like me, Intolerant:-) The news/media promotes these mulitcultural lies and propaganda..
    "Sei, was Du willst, aber was Du bist, habe den Mut ganz zu sein."
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    In my opinion, the true descendants of the Frankish are the Dutch/Belgian... see my family for example, Van Brabant... most of then can trace back to Etichonides, and this family was one of the most important families in the Frankish kingdom. Most likely the original Frankish population in France mixed or went migrating all over the Netherlands and Belgium.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Pictus View Post
    In my opinion, the true descendants of the Frankish are the Dutch/Belgian...
    what do you mean by "Dutch/Belgian" Flamish people of Belgium (as opposed to Wallonians ?) or Dutch (from Nederland) and Belgian (whatever community)

    I thought the dutch and flamish were more likely Frisians or Saxons
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Frisians
    while the Wallonians and Luxembourgish were Francks
    =>Tournai, birth place of Clovis/Chlodwig is in Walonnia
    => Luxembourg (Grand Duchy) is the only which kept Frankish (Platt) as an official langage, while it is still spoken in the "Province de Luxembourg" (Belgian, wallonian part) North of Moselle and Saarland but not as official.
    from the "genotyp" point of view, Frisian from late Antiquity have silver blond hair while the Francks have rather gold blonde to light brown hair.

    The mythical Fire-Bolg tribe from the Lebor Gabála Érenn may refere to the Celtic Belgian.

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    I was watching a French movie last night about a young French girl who formed a relationship with a poor downtrodden young black man. Of course the picture depicted them as having to struggle to be together against society’s conventions. All this seemed to romanticize the whole thing.

    In a graphic sex scene the noble black man went and got a towel and wiped the young girl down after he came in her. This all took place in the black youth’s apartment so her parents could not find out.


    The glorification of racial others and the vilification of French society in this film made me think this country really has problems.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Den groda View Post
    I was watching a French movie last night about a young French girl who formed a relationship with a poor downtrodden young black man. Of course the picture depicted them as having to struggle to be together against society’s conventions. All this seemed to romanticize the whole thing.
    Hum, isn't that just like the movie with Wesley Snipes?

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    It is pretty much a whole genre of its own.

    A few years ago I saw one about a Danish girl who had an uncaring nationalist boyfriend who formed a passionate relationship with a black youth. It also had very graphic sex scenes, one in which the black youth and the blonde Danish girl are interrupted when having sex in the black youths brother’s apartment by his brother walking in with his Danish girlfriend.

    Another Danish film of the same sort of genre is 1:1.

    Every Western nation seems to have produced a plethora of such films.

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    “Weiter müssen wir als Riesenstaaten in erster Linie die amerikanische Union, sodann Rußland und China ansehen. Lauter Raumgebilde von zum Teil mehr als zehnfach größerer Fläche als das derzeitige Deutsche Reich. Und selbst Frankreich muß unter diese Staaten gerechnet werden. Nicht nur, daß es in immer größerem Umfang aus den farbigen Menschenbeständen seines Riesenreiches das Heer ergänzt, macht es auch rassisch in seiner Vernegerung so rapide Fortschritte, daß man tatsächlich von einer Entstehung eines afrikanischen Staates auf europäischem Boden reden kann. Die Kolonialpolitik des heutigen Frankreichs ist nicht zu vergleichen mit der des vergangenen Deutschlands. Würde sich die Entwicklung Frankreichs im heutigen Stile noch dreihundert Jahre fortsetzen, so wären die letzten fränkischen Blutsreste in dem sich bildenden europa-afrikanischen Mulattenstaat untergegangen. Ein gewaltiges, geschlossenes Siedlungsgebiet vom Rhein bis zum Kongo, erfüllt von einer aus dauernder Bastardierung langsam sich bildenden niederen Rasse.” - Mein Kampf, pg 730

    Loosely translated by myself:

    "Further we have to look at giant states, first the american Union, then Russia and China. All structures of space often 10 times bigger than the German Reich. And even France has to be counted among those states. Not only because it exeedingly musters into it's gigantic army colored people, it also progresses in its racial negroing so rapidly, that indeed one can speak of the creation of an african state on european soil.

    The colonial policy of modern France is not to compare to that of the old Germany. In case this developement would continue for the next 300 years then the last frank blood would be gone into an european-african Mulatto state. An enormes, closed settling area from Rhein to the Kongo, filled by a continuous bastardiazation of a slowly forming lower race."
    That clear thinking man could view hundreds of years ahead.
    weel nich will dieken dej mot wieken

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